1. Post #41
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    For those who make longer songs, can't we just cut them up (for instance Hakitas song can be cut at 8:51, at 16:20 again) and place them with about five songs between them? Long songs can be good, but it can also be really tiring for people who are just listening to the album on a whim, quitting on the album before it's over.

    For instance, Hakita could have song nr 8, song nr 16 and last song with those parts, I think it could be done and that it would be cool to have that sort of thing.
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  2. Post #42
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    For those who make longer songs, can't we just cut them up (for instance Hakitas song can be cut at 8:51, at 16:20 again) and place them with about five songs between them? Long songs can be good, but it can also be really tiring for people who are just listening to the album on a whim, quitting on the album before it's over.

    For instance, Hakita could have song nr 8, song nr 16 and last song with those parts, I think it could be done and that it would be cool to have that sort of thing.
    The whole point of me posting a 20 minute song is that its pretty much a farewell to Guitar Pro 5, which started my whole songwriting interest, since now I'm using GP6.
    And I thought about the whole 'getting bored and stopping listening to the album halfway through' and thats the exact reason I want it to be the last song.
    However, if people want it, maybe it could be done so that Prometheus is the first track, Elysium somewhere in the centre and Return To Cygnus is the last song.

  3. Post #43
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    Personally I think cutting it up would be better, the parts all stand the test of being lone songs and I just think it would be a 'waste' to have you as the last song, people sadly stop listening too soon and that would mean you'd probably not get as many listens that you deserve.

    Plus, it would bring a sort of "theme" to the album, with your song being part of the beginning, middle and ending of the album. =)
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  4. Post #44
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    Personally I think cutting it up would be better, the parts all stand the test of being lone songs and I just think it would be a 'waste' to have you as the last song, people sadly stop listening too soon and that would mean you'd probably not get as many listens that you deserve.

    Plus, it would bring a sort of "theme" to the album, with your song being part of the beginning, middle and ending of the album. =)
    Hmm.
    Well, I suppose you're the one who knows more about music than I do, so if everyone's ok with this, I am too.
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  5. Post #45
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    Sounds most excellent.
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  6. Post #46
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    Should I write some jazz or classical for the album?

  7. Post #47
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    There's a third neurofunk track coming for this one, most likely in collaboration with killa101.

  8. Post #48
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    For those who make longer songs, can't we just cut them up (for instance Hakitas song can be cut at 8:51, at 16:20 again) and place them with about five songs between them? Long songs can be good, but it can also be really tiring for people who are just listening to the album on a whim, quitting on the album before it's over.

    For instance, Hakita could have song nr 8, song nr 16 and last song with those parts, I think it could be done and that it would be cool to have that sort of thing.
    There should be a limit, because this is just for people who want to be on the album.
    If you want to release something that clearly should go on a solo album, then do that instead of taking other people's space.

    That's my opinion.

    Edited:

    Personally I think cutting it up would be better, the parts all stand the test of being lone songs and I just think it would be a 'waste' to have you as the last song, people sadly stop listening too soon and that would mean you'd probably not get as many listens that you deserve.

    Plus, it would bring a sort of "theme" to the album, with your song being part of the beginning, middle and ending of the album. =)
    It's not a matter of "It not getting listens".

    I'll listen to it. :smug:
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  9. Post #49
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    Should I write some jazz or classical for the album?
    Jazz.
    Always jazz.
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  10. Post #50
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    There isn't an issue with long songs as most people typically don't listen to the whole song.

    Also, here are the current stats.



    61 downloads on the album.
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  11. Post #51
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    tbh I think Hakitas 20 minute song might aswell be one whole last thing. Then it won't take up space, and people who listen through all of the album will be way more likely to want to lsiten to it than people jsut lsitening to a couple songs
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  12. Post #52
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    Tried getting it, but it's a .torrent, so I have a feeling I'd need to download something else for that. also, I get http://closed.loopia.se/ when attempting to access the website.
    There are others, for some reason that site went down. Here is a big package.

    http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1200140

  13. Post #53
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    Thanks pepin. I think I'm doing some jazz with only a piano, alto sax, contrabass, and drums in 6/4 time signature.

  14. Post #54
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    I'm in

  15. Post #55
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    tbh I think Hakitas 20 minute song might aswell be one whole last thing. Then it won't take up space, and people who listen through all of the album will be way more likely to want to lsiten to it than people jsut lsitening to a couple songs
    Well, I dunno. Lets have a vote!

    Optimistic for 1 song in the end
    Useful for 3 songs whereever on the album
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    I'm going to do an interesting song.
    It's going to start as an orchestral piece and then half way through I shall turn it into heavy metal.
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  17. Post #57
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    I'm going to do an interesting song.
    It's going to start as an orchestral piece and then half way through I shall turn it into heavy metal.
    So its basically just heavy metal.
    Orchestral intros aren't very rare in metal, you know
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  18. Post #58
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    No, this whole thing about breaking up the songs isn't a good idea as it would give Hakita more exposure than other artists. This is the reason why people can only submit one track. To go further, there isn't any statistical proof from the last album that Kittenhackers or my song had any affect on the amount of listens (we both submitted long songs). This is because people tend to skip or only partially listen to these songs. Look through the statistics here and it'll be pretty clear that the length of the song doesn't matter. If it did, the amount of listens of the song after should be reduced by some irregular figure. To go further, what if someone didn't like the song? They would have to skip it two or three times as opposed to one time if it were just one song.

    It's one idea to not have the first three-six tracks to be really long, especially because variety would want to be shown with those, but it is another thing to break up the songs. The only affect that would have would be more exposure for people with longer songs, and that would be unfair to other people. I also really dislike the idea of changing someone's music as it is their music.
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  19. Post #59
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    Bam! First submission fro album art.
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  20. Post #60
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    No, this whole thing about breaking up the songs isn't a good idea as it would give Hakita more exposure than other artists. This is the reason why people can only submit one track. To go further, there isn't any statistical proof from the last album that Kittenhackers or my song had any affect on the amount of listens (we both submitted long songs). This is because people tend to skip or only partially listen to these songs. Look through the statistics here and it'll be pretty clear that the length of the song doesn't matter. If it did, the amount of listens of the song after should be reduced by some irregular figure. To go further, what if someone didn't like the song? They would have to skip it two or three times as opposed to one time if it were just one song.

    It's one idea to not have the first three-six tracks to be really long, especially because variety would want to be shown with those, but it is another thing to break up the songs. The only affect that would have would be more exposure for people with longer songs, and that would be unfair to other people. I also really dislike the idea of changing someone's music as it is their music.
    Fair enough, you got a good point and I'll retract my statement then about Hakitas song getting cut up in itty, bitty (snacksized yummy) pieces.

  21. Post #61
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    Well I'm uploading this damn thing and its uploading very slowly.

    Edited:

    Sent

  22. Post #62
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    Really? What genre?

    Also, heres the song I'm going to submit:
    Wow, that's the most progressive you've ever been. Now I know you are more prog than I first knew.

    But be reasonable, that's basically an entire EP on this album.

    Don't split it up, because it's better as one. That's like having Pink Floyd's Echoes split up, just can't happen.

  23. Post #63
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    Wow, that's the most progressive you've ever been. Now I know you are more prog than I first knew.

    But be reasonable, that's basically an entire EP on this album.

    Don't split it up, because it's better as one. That's like having Pink Floyd's Echoes split up, just can't happen.
    Well thanks for the compliment.
    Also, GP5 WAS a really big part of what I have become, so I want to give it a proper goodbye, which is why its pretty much an entire EP.
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  24. Post #64
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    Not quite sure what that means, but yeah you've evolved from Midi novice to midi pro. Progressive Midi is your thing.

  25. Post #65
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    Not quite sure what that means, but yeah you've evolved from Midi novice to midi pro. Progressive Midi is your thing.
    GP5 (Guitar Pro 5) was the program that got me into song writing. Its what I have used for writing most of my songs.
    Now I have my hands on GP6, which sounds better, so I'm starting to use it now.
    Incase you haven't heard a GP6 song of mine yet, have this one:

  26. Post #66
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    The thing you need to work on now though, when you're progressing into RSE is to really mix and master the instruments so that they sound lifelike. That's at least what I would've done if I were making songs in RSE, midi gets by with just being midi, but when you try to mimic real instruments, you really want to play around with it so that it does in fact sound lifelike.

  27. Post #67
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    although it sounds better, I prefer the original drum sounds and other sounds. That snare is too harsh for midi.

    I preferred when it "didn't" sound realistic. From 1:41, it's nice and good ol' Hakita.
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  28. Post #68
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    The thing you need to work on now though, when you're progressing into RSE is to really mix and master the instruments so that they sound lifelike. That's at least what I would've done if I were making songs in RSE, midi gets by with just being midi, but when you try to mimic real instruments, you really want to play around with it so that it does in fact sound lifelike.
    And I want to learn, but as you should know, a person can't just learn something like this in a second.
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  29. Post #69
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    The thing you need to work on now though, when you're progressing into RSE is to really mix and master the instruments so that they sound lifelike.
    Dude, you talk as if you're pro.
    Hakita must have spent hours with that program to make that one song. I know he's been making midi for literally a year or more now.

    My advice, is to avoid technicalities and just be yourself and the more artistic the better.

    You can have the most generic album and yet be the best produced.

  30. Post #70
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    Hakita must have spent hours with that program to make that one song. I know he's been making midi for literally a year or more now.

    My advice, is to avoid technicalities and just be yourself and the more artistic the better.

    You can have the most generic album and yet be the best produced.
    5 hours to be exact if we are talking about the Medley song. I made that one in one night without pauses because I was bored.
    If we're talking about Intergalactic Interference, maybe around 2 days, I dunno.
    And I am being myself as well as I can, but I still try to learn from criticism as much as I can.
    It can never change 'me', though

  31. Post #71
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    And I want to learn, but as you should know, a person can't just learn something like this in a second.
    No ofcourse not, I think Hell march would be a great song for you to start working on with your soon-to-be mastering skills, overpowering drums, groovy bass and hard-kicking guitar will be a good starting point.

    Something I always do when I master tracks, are cutting it up so that every part of the song is cut into pieces, be it intro, pre-verse, verse etc. That way, you can EQ the different instruments to fit the needs of each part of the song.

    For instance in Hell March, I would fix with the bass in the intro so that it's gnarly and is up in your face, fix with the EQ on drums so that the bass guitar and bass drum both pound away but with the bass drum taking hold of the lower frequencies of the bass spectrum (200-400ish) while bass guitar takes 350-600 or something like that.

    Edited:

    Dude, you talk as if you're pro.
    Hakita must have spent hours with that program to make that one song. I know he's been making midi for literally a year or more now.

    My advice, is to avoid technicalities and just be yourself and the more artistic the better.

    You can have the most generic album and yet be the best produced.
    :smug:

  32. Post #72
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    Something I always do when I master tracks, are cutting it up so that every part of the song is cut into pieces, be it intro, pre-verse, verse etc. That way, you can EQ the different instruments to fit the needs of each part of the song.
    This isn't really possible in most of my songs, since they don't really have a structure.
    Its just intro > music > outro for me.
    And even though I understand little of what you said, I think I might be able to figure something out that can please you.

  33. Post #73
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    Stop killing smug. PLEEEEEEEEASE.
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  34. Post #74
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    Stop killing smug. PLEEEEEEEEASE.
    I find this funny.
    Mostly because you posted it.
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  35. Post #75
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    Well, cut it up so that each riff that's played is its own part sort of, so Intro riff > riff > riff > riff > outro riff then. =)

    The most important part really is to make sure so that each instrument has its own pocket, and that nothing really overpowers the other instruments. That's probably the most important part. The tricky part is that some instruments (bass guitar and bass drum, bass guitar/drum and floor toms, guitar and cymbal) share the same "frequency" (we can call it pocket) so that means you're going to have to make sure that they can share the same spot without overpowering eachother.

    Really, you have pre-verses, verses, choruses, and structure in your songs. =)

  36. Post #76
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    Really, you have pre-verses, verses, choruses, and structure in your songs. =)
    Well, would you like to point out some from a song of mine?
    Also, I'll try to figure out the whole mixing thing, just not now, since its 0:32 and I'm not very good at learning in the middle of the night.

  37. Post #77
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    00:00>00:32 INTRO
    00:32>01:08 STICK
    01:08>01:40 PRE-VERSE
    01:40>01:48 VERSE
    01:48>02:04 CHORUS
    02:04>02:12 VERSE
    02:12>02:28 CHORUS
    02:28>02:49 VERSE
    02:50>03:38 BREAKDOWN

    That's how I would label the first part of your song there, I'm not entirely sure how to label instrumental music since there are obviously a lot more sticks and variations than a regular pop song or rock song (who usually go intro pre-verse verse pre-chorus chorus verse chorus stick chorus chorus ending), but as you can see you can label the various parts of your song.

    Edited:

    Stop killing smug. PLEEEEEEEEASE.
    I can :smug: how I damn :smug: want to :smug:







    :smug:
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  38. Post #78
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    cool another one

    give me ideas fp!

  39. Post #79
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    Started working on a track a few days ago, if I finish it I will definitely submit it to this one.

  40. Post #80
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    cool another one

    give me ideas fp!
    The track that you did for VI was very good, so I hope that your new one will be as good or better.