1. Post #1
    Dennab
    December 2009
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    I mean, it's all just a perception that's happening in our brain.



    We are all but machines.

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  2. Post #2
    Stuff done did
    Adnap's Avatar
    October 2011
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    nope

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  3. Post #3
    beaner kike's Avatar
    November 2011
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    do u believe in magic
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  4. Post #4
    Gordy H.'s Avatar
    April 2010
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    "I mean, it's all just a perception that's happening in our brain."

    Yep, and so is every other emotion. Just because they're chemical reactions, that doesn't mean they're any less meaningful.
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  5. Post #5
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    December 2007
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    I want to hit people who say, "it's just something that happens in our brain/it's just chemicals/etc".

    THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING! That same logic applies to your entire concept of existence, or experience. It's a shit argument against something. The method by which emotions/sensory data is achieved is chemical interactions, electrical signals, etc, but the quality of an emotion is something intangible, as are colours for example (one can not explain 'what' blue is (you can point to things that ARE blue, but you can't physically describe the colour itself).

    Stop using that shit argument (that goes to everybody).
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  6. Post #6
    Dennab
    December 2009
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    I want to hit people who say, "it's just something that happens in our brain/it's just chemicals/etc".

    THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING! That same logic applies to your entire concept of existence, or experience. It's a shit argument against something. The method by which emotions/sensory data is achieved is chemical interactions, electrical signals, etc, but the quality of an emotion is something intangible, as are colours for example (one can not explain 'what' blue is (you can point to things that ARE blue, but you can't physically describe the colour itself).

    Stop using that shit argument (that goes to everybody).
    Want to debate about it?
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  7. Post #7
    Resident Beat Eater.
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    August 2009
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    Scientifically explaining every aspect of life to the extent which you are trying to is pointless and doesn't change anything. Are you saying you're going to live life alone and emotionless with your newfound logic?
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  8. Post #8
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    June 2010
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    Of course it's a perception in our brain

    That doesn't mean we can't have a word for it, like love
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  9. Post #9
    If you discount the idea of love because it's just a chemical reaction in our brains, you may as well not believe in thought either.
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  10. Post #10
    The Cock Eater
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  11. Post #11
    Der FΓΌhrer
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    January 2011
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    Yes, I believe in love.

    When you experience it, you'll know exactly what it is.
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  12. Post #12
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    December 2007
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    If you discount the idea of love because it's just a chemical reaction in our brains, you may as well not believe in thought either.
    Precisely. If you discount the idea of love, then happiness, sadness, pain - none of them must be real either. And neither is experience itself (because it's just the way you respond to the constant inflow of sensory data).
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  13. Post #13
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    February 2007
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    For some women its all about the cock. So OP's picture is missing some.
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  14. Post #14
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    December 2008
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    I want to hit people who say, "it's just something that happens in our brain/it's just chemicals/etc".

    THAT GOES FOR EVERYTHING! That same logic applies to your entire concept of existence, or experience. It's a shit argument against something. The method by which emotions/sensory data is achieved is chemical interactions, electrical signals, etc, but the quality of an emotion is something intangible, as are colours for example (one can not explain 'what' blue is (you can point to things that ARE blue, but you can't physically describe the colour itself).

    Stop using that shit argument (that goes to everybody).
    Nobody is arguing using that point, calm down.
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  15. Post #15
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    I was, in the past, of the same "we are all machines" understanding as you are. Humans seemed like patterned, predictable machines governed by impulses and hormones. I thought that people might not even be able to be responsible for the things they do because there was such a huge lack of free will.

    Man I was such a fucking tool when I was younger. See, the patterns were of their own creation: people chose to live a certain way and just got used to it. I did, however, see people sometimes change these habits. It took effort but once new and better habits were created, it was much easier to maintain them. Famous quotes like "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." can help you understand my meaning.

    Yes, humans are creatures of habit, but they are capable of change, should they have the strength and willpower to do so. This means that yes, free will is possible and yes, love is a possibility. I don't think that love is some sort of magical soul mate voodoo or anything though... it's a choice. A choice you make every day, no matter how easy or hard it is that particular day, and that's why love is so damn hard... it isn't a habit. It doesn't get easier to do every day like exercise routines, working hard, or eating well. It rarely gets easier to love someone, but it can sure as hell get harder.

    And don't confuse "loving" someone with "being in a relationship" with them, because staying in a relationship IS a habit and it's often easier to stay in one than it is to leave one, due to attraction, lust, insecurity, and a fear of loneliness/the unknown.
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  16. Post #16
    ~Tital~
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    July 2009
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    Not really.
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  17. Post #17
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    January 2008
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    I was, in the past, of the same "we are all machines" understanding as you are. Humans seemed like patterned, predictable machines governed by impulses and hormones. I thought that people might not even be able to be responsible for the things they do because there was such a huge lack of free will.

    Man I was such a fucking tool when I was younger. See, the patterns were of their own creation: people chose to live a certain way and just got used to it. I did, however, see people sometimes change these habits. It took effort but once new and better habits were created, it was much easier to maintain them. Famous quotes like "We are what we repeatedly do. Excellence, then, is not an act, but a habit." can help you understand my meaning.

    Yes, humans are creatures of habit, but they are capable of change, should they have the strength and willpower to do so. This means that yes, free will is possible and yes, love is a possibility. I don't think that love is some sort of magical soul mate voodoo or anything though... it's a choice. A choice you make every day, no matter how easy or hard it is that particular day, and that's why love is so damn hard... it isn't a habit. It doesn't get easier to do every day like exercise routines, working hard, or eating well. It rarely gets easier to love someone, but it can sure as hell get harder.

    And don't confuse "loving" someone with "being in a relationship" with them, because staying in a relationship IS a habit and it's often easier to stay in one than it is to leave one, due to attraction, lust, insecurity, and a fear of loneliness/the unknown.
    I don't see how this is an argument for the existence of either love or free will.
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