1. Post #81
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    Oh yeah right it's totally not like half of today's medias showcase gays are strange persons you shouldn't approach or talk about or befriend with.

    Let the kids learn it themselves, it can so lead to good results.

    School is here to teach essential things, tolerance of others is one of them.

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    Progress is made through several generations, nothing had suddenly exploded without any prior reason or clue. Arab revolutions took several generations of protesting to really start, the segregation in the US only stopped after several generations of slavery and protests, etc etc.
    Well whether they're portrayed as "strange" or not, there's not going to be many people who will try and ignore who they are.

  2. Post #82
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    the movement HAS been triggered. the school should be a safe haven from political bias.
    How is telling students "You should always treat your fellow classmates/friends/etc. with the same level of respect you'd expect from them, regardless of race or sexual orientation" political bias?

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    How is telling students "You should always treat your fellow classmates/friends/etc. with the same level of respect you'd expect from them, regardless of race or sexual orientation" political bias?
    because to some, it swings too far to the left. think about what you're proposing for a second man.
    sure, homosexuals will get their fair treatment, but odds are in areas like the more backwater states, people will be absolutely infuriated by this - some people might even turn to homeschooling. you have to roll this stuff out slowly. start off in environments where the chances of an uproar are minimal.

  4. Post #84
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    Well isnt everything we learn in school important? life skills? Knowledge? But of course, you can argue that you will never use science in your life or on occasions, which is like sex. You choose to have sex or not, unless your getting raped but that's something different. I think sex ed should be in school because where else will you learn it? My dad does a shitty job explaining it. The internet of sometimes full of shit. Of course, the schools could teach kids incorrect information, but that rasies the question. What source out there cannot be tampered? Aside from that, sex ed should stay in school . The basics of sex ed is to learn female and male genitals and how stuff works. Or course, it's always with a male and a female, never the same gender.

    I would disagree with teaching the concept of gay into schools since there isn't much facts about it except for it's having same_-sex sex, or relationship. It's a personal choice. Although I believe knowledge is power, people the age of 8 know what gays are.

    but still, people these days are using the word gay incorrectly. It's mainly teens where they say, "that's so gay' when they really mean that's so bad, or stupid.

    it's the usage of the word gay which gives the impression that gay is as bad as whatever the word is being used in.

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    because to some, it swings too far to the left. think about what you're proposing for a second man.
    sure, homosexuals will get their fair treatment, but odds are in areas like the more backwater states, people will be absolutely infuriated by this - some people might even turn to homeschooling. you have to roll this stuff out slowly. start off in environments where the chances of an uproar are minimal.
    Better take the "treat others as you would like to be treated" placards out of the schools, bigots might think it's biased!

  6. Post #86
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    Better take the "treat others as you would like to be treated" placards out of the schools, bigots might think it's biased!
    you're only seeing this from your viewpoint - the world doesn't revolve around you.

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    you're only seeing this from your viewpoint, but the world doesn't revolve around you.
    "treat others as you would like to be treated" is quite literally the opposite of selfishness. If you consider that "acting like the world revolves around me", that's preposterous.

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    you're only seeing this from your viewpoint, but the world doesn't revolve around you.
    You just claimed that the Golden Rule "swings too far to the left".

    The thing that schools have been teaching for centuries, isn't conservative enough.

    Think about that.

  9. Post #89
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    "treat others as you would like to be treated" is quite literally the opposite of selfishness. If you consider that "acting like the world revolves around me", that's preposterous.
    you have to think about this from your typical ultra-right-wing fox news viewer's perspective. the second they hear about this, they're going to be pissed - very pissed. odds are they'll protest, and pull their kids out of school. and then there's the administrative impact - whoever came up with the idea is going to be put under a heap of both praise and hate. in the end though, a lot of shit will be stirred over an issue that could have been fixed more gradually.

    trust me, i'm all for teaching that homosexuals are equals - just not in today's societal environment

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    but still, people these days are using the word gay incorrectly. It's mainly teens where they say, "that's so gay' when they really mean that's so bad, or stupid.

    it's the usage of the word gay which gives the impression that gay is as bad as whatever the word is being used in.
    I'm not gay but I find it extremely infuriating when people do this.

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    you have to think about this from your typical ultra-right-wing fox news viewer's perspective. the second they hear about this, they're going to be pissed - very pissed. odds are they'll protest, and pull their kids out of school. and then there's the administrative impact - whoever came up with the idea is going to be put under a heap of both praise and hate. in the end though, a lot of shit will be stirred over an issue that could have been fixed more gradually.

    trust me, i'm all for teaching that homosexuals are equals - just not in today's societal environment
    I think bigots who have raised bigots pulling their little bigots out of school would be the best thing to happen to the school system in decades.

    You never have to pander to the extremists because they're just that - extremists. Not indicative of society as a whole.

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    you have to think about this from your typical ultra-right-wing fox news viewer's perspective. the second they hear about this, they're going to be pissed - very pissed. odds are they'll protest, and pull their kids out of school. and then there's the administrative impact - whoever came up with the idea is going to be put under a heap of both praise and hate. in the end though, a lot of shit has been stirred over an issue that could have been fixed more gradually.
    You cannot base your entire standard of what is and is not "okay" to teach on pandering to bigots. We did that in public schools back when they were still segregated, and young kids showed up to that integration in Little Rock, Arkansas. They verbally harassed the Black students, and all because they got it from their parents.

    Sure did work out well, didn't it?

  13. Post #93
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    I think bigots who have raised bigots pulling their little bigots out of school would be the best thing to happen to the school system in decades.

    You never have to pander to the extremists because they're just that - extremists. Not indicative of society as a whole.
    http://www.now.org/issues/lgbi/stats.html
    that's a whole lot of extremists

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    For those that say that sex should not be taught in schools completely ignore the fact that history has been whitewashed by heterosexuality. The argument to teach homosexuality was never based on teaching children about the physical act, but the presence that homosexuals have had on history. In most schools homosexuality is either never talked about or very infrequently mentioned, where as heterosexuality is discussed as if it were always the norm. Education has been deduced down to kings and queens, artists and musicians with no sexual preference if they were homosexual, and placing our own cultural norms on civilizations that existed thousands of years ago which may have operated completely differently when it came to sexuality.

    It's a shame that a lot of you believe that the only thing homosexuals have to offer to the course curriculum is anal sex. There is enough evidence to suggest that some of the most important figures in history were homosexual or at the least bi sexual. This however gets ignored and passed over time and time again so that what we end up with are misinformed children who believe that homosexuals served no purpose in history.

    It also tickles me that those that don't want schools to teach about sexuality are only degrading male homosexuals and not female. Perhaps some debaters are a little bit insecure in this thread?

  15. Post #95
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    In britian, a few years ago there were some people saying that children should be taught to be black and muslim

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    http://www.now.org/issues/lgbi/stats.html
    that's a whole lot of extremists
    You do realize that most of those statistics are 15+ years old.

  17. Post #97
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    You do realize that most of those statistics are 15+ years old.
    i realised that, trying to pull up a better list

  18. Post #98
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    Homosexuality is not the normal, natural orientation, therefore it should not receive equal representation as heterosexuality. Teaching any sort of sexuality in school is bogus. Being gay is perfectly acceptable and having issues against the homosexual population means that you are the troubled one yourself.

  19. Post #99
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    Wait, people still use faggot as a derogatory term against gays? I just calls people faggots, y'know, when they're being faggots.

    This is basically my opinion:
    I see your louis ck faggot related video and raise you one
    just skip to 4:11, but the full video is pretty great

  20. Post #100
    Let children understand the idea and that its acceptable, just like we should teach then racial and religious acceptance.

  21. Post #101
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    i couldn't find a better list, but odds are they've gone down a bit anyway. but the point still is, a lot of people will be pissed at the idea of teaching this stuff.

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    i couldn't find a better list, but odds are they've gone down a bit anyway. but the point still is, a lot of people will be pissed at the idea of teaching this stuff.
    A lot of people don't like the idea of evolution either, and suggest we "teach the controversy". Would you argue that it is equally valid to avoid teaching about evolution?

  23. Post #103
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    A lot of people don't like the idea of evolution either, and suggest we "teach the controversy". Would you argue that it is equally valid to avoid teaching about evolution?
    that's completely beside the point, but you are getting at a relevant idea here. teaching the idea along controversy would give a better idea of what's going on really, and i guess it would also somewhat appease the far right.
    that's not to say that the right wing media won't try and spin it though (and you know how willingly some people listen to it)

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    i couldn't find a better list, but odds are they've gone down a bit anyway. but the point still is, a lot of people will be pissed at the idea of teaching this stuff.
    A lot of people are pissed that evolution is being taught.

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    Why does that not apply to math? Factoring polynomials is hard! Leave it up to the parents to decide if their children need to know that!

    The fact that homosexuality is not some terrifying revelation and there's no reason kids shouldn't have to learn about it in school.



    Now we're writing black history out of curricula as well?
    Arithmetic is a factual system of logic. sexuality is human, illogical, and subjective, and is not factually based.

  26. Post #106
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    I think at this stage it would be ok to promote acceptance, once children are at the right age. But not everyone is very tolerant of gays so you would never have this as a universal policy across the states.

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    that's completely beside the point, but you are getting at a relevant idea here. teaching the idea along controversy would give a better idea of what's going on really, and i guess it would also somewhat appease the far right.
    that's not to say that the right wing media won't try and spin it though (and you know how willingly some people listen to it)
    You just said political bias should stay out of the classroom and yet we should avoid teaching that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality (only a "Leftist" opinion for the reason that the Right often doesn't believe it) in order to avoid angering the bigots? How is that not hypocritical?

  28. Post #108
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    A lot of people are pissed that evolution is being taught.
    true, but this is more of a humanistic issue, rather than a biological one

  29. Post #109
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    Homosexuality is not the normal, natural orientation, therefore it should not receive equal representation as heterosexuality. Teaching any sort of sexuality in school is bogus. Being gay is perfectly acceptable and having issues against the homosexual population means that you are the troubled one yourself.
    Are you really saying it's not natural? I mean, REALLY...

  30. Post #110
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    You just said political bias should stay out of the classroom and yet we should avoid teaching that homosexuality is equal to heterosexuality (only a "Leftist" opinion for the reason that the Right often doesn't believe it) in order to avoid angering the bigots? How is that not hypocritical?
    i was saying initially that we should probably just say that it exists, and leave it up to the child to make his own conclusions
    ideally, that would be the least biased way of doing it

    imo everybody has their own version of what's biased and what isn't, so it's all a bit subjective

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    Homosexuality is not the normal, natural orientation, therefore it should not receive equal representation as heterosexuality. Teaching any sort of sexuality in school is bogus. Being gay is perfectly acceptable and having issues against the homosexual population means that you are the troubled one yourself.
    haha what? sure being gay isn't normal but even if it wasn't natural (which it is) what does nature have to do with anything? smallpox is natural, so should we let it stick around? no, we shouldn't. it certainly doesn't help your argument that a bunch of animals other then humans can be gay, so I really can't figure how an elephant can unnaturally decide to be gay.
    I also can't figure out why everyone doesn't want any sexuality or sex ed in schools, why have shitty education that leads to more unwanted pregnancies and stds when you can easily prevent it with some sexuality in school? it's not like sexuality is some horrible child corrupting monster.

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    i was saying initially that we should probably just say that it exists, and leave it up to the child to make his own conclusions
    We don't do that for race, do we? We don't teach that blacks exist and let children come up with their own conclusions, we teach that all races are equal. Sexuality is as chosen by the individual as race is so it should be treated exactly the same in the classroom.

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    School is supposed to teach you factual information only, not to advocate or damn sexuality.
    Teaching about homosexuality doesn't mean you have to say how amazing they are. It is a big part of sexuality, nature and psychology, society, behavioral biology and family living and should be taught on at least these grounds alone. It should also be taught as currently scientifically true (which is that its natural).

  34. Post #114
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    Arithmetic is a factual system of logic. sexuality is human, illogical, and subjective, and is not factually based.
    There's some pretty gay tigers who want a word with you...

    That sounds kinda strange but you get the point...

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    We don't do that for race, do we? We don't teach that blacks exist and let children come up with their own conclusions, we teach that all races are equal. Sexuality is as chosen by the individual as race is so it should be treated exactly the same in the classroom.
    exactly, but that's because race is not a taboo issue anymore. sexuality is, and a lot of people are more than willing to oppose anyone or anything that accepts it, which frankly, is just disgusting

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    exactly, but that's because race is not a taboo issue anymore. sexuality is, and a lot of people are more than willing to oppose anyone or anything that accepts it, which frankly, is just disgusting
    Sexuality is only taboo because people refuse to talk about it, exactly what you're advocating. Essentially your way would ensure that things never change.

  37. Post #117
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    Sexuality is only taboo because people refuse to talk about it, exactly what you're advocating. Essentially your way would ensure that things never change.
    people are talking about it. we're talking about it right now. i just don't think it would do to put it in schools. you've got all these gullible, malleable kids with their stubborn parents - it's just a breeding ground for a shitstorm.

  38. Post #118
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    You're not going to get social progress without social conservatives getting their latent homosexual panties in a twist.

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    people are talking about it. we're talking about it right now. i just don't think it would do to put it in schools. you've got all these gullible, malleable kids with their stubborn parents - it's just a breeding ground for a shitstorm.
    The only thing it would be breeding is kids with the information and ability to successfully challenge their bigot parents.

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    no, sexuality isn't a choice.

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    genetics determine sexuality, not free will.
    If you could prove this, you might be a Nobel candidate.

    The leading theory is the time at which and the concentration of a certain hormone the developing baby is exposed to while in the womb.

    If it was genetic, you'd see patterns emerging.

    Nobody really knows what controls peoples' sexual preferences.