1. Post #121
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    yes because a dead person sure can make decisions
    You know what I meant. Put some content in your posts.

  2. Post #122
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    Capital punishment should be banned, people are sent to prison to be rehabilitated, not to be punished.
    Although I agree with you, I do believe most western prison's today don't focus on this subject, and instead are human confinement with no rehabilitation involved.



    But I do find the Death Sentence preferable in terms that someone is clearly out of their fucking mind, where there's absolutely no doubt as they're caught with physical evidence, have killed more than one person, and their justification for doing it was completely batshit insane.

  3. Post #123
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    If you shoot them right between the eys you won't live, honestly how do people survive getting injected with chemicals or survive a gunshot to the head, it's a tiny chance they will anyway.
    Yeah, because who needs a humane justice system when you can just shoot criminals in the face?

  4. Post #124
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    If you shoot them right between the eys you won't live, honestly how do people survive getting injected with chemicals or survive a gunshot to the head, it's a tiny chance they will anyway.
    that's not barbaric or anything

  5. Post #125
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    How does one "mass pedo"?

    Anyways, why does commiting the crime multiple times make them worth killing? Why not the first time, other than what I've alread said?
    oh god you do not want to know

  6. Post #126
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    Yeah, because who needs a humane justice system when you can just shoot criminals in the face?
    It is cheaper, and pretty effective. Just use a big enough gun and they won't feel a thing.

  7. Post #127
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    But I do find the Death Sentence preferable in terms that someone is clearly out of their fucking mind, where there's absolutely no doubt as they're caught with physical evidence, have killed more than one person, and their justification for doing it was completely batshit insane.
    what's wrong with life without parole?

    killing another human being because they killed someone else is fucking hypocrisy

  8. Post #128
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    It disturbs me that people try to justify capital punishment with the 'if they do something reprehensible then they're not people any more' argument. Everyone is equal before the law, and it's not hard to see how judging someones intrinsic value as a human being based on their crime goes against that principle.
    It's all about remorse.
    If they know what they did and they know they should have done it and wish to change their ways then the death penalty would not be in question at all. It's only if they show no remorse and act inhumane then they should be treated in the same inhumane way and have their right to life taken away.

  9. Post #129
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    It is cheaper, and pretty effective. Just use a big enough gun and they won't feel a thing.
    I guess you don't give a shit about human rights then

    shooting someone is cheap and effective. good to go!

    Edited:

    It's only if they show no remorse and act inhumane then they should be treated in the same inhumane way and have their right to life taken away.
    hypocrisy at its finest

  10. Post #130
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    oh god you do not want to know
    Trust me, I never react to things I've been told over the Internet with anything other than laughing or RAEG. So either way I'm good.

  11. Post #131
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    I guess you don't give a shit about human rights then

    shooting someone is cheap and effective. good to go!
    Well, to be honest, a bullet can be a bit quicker than an injection, and if done right is quick and painless.

    In my opinion firing squad is a great method of execution.

  12. Post #132
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    It's all about remorse.
    If they know what they did and they know they should have done it and wish to change their ways then the death penalty would not be in question at all. It's only if they show no remorse and act inhumane then they should be treated in the same inhumane way and have their right to life taken away.
    Yeah, because, as we all know, acting exactly the same as someone makes you better than them.

    Edited:

    Well, to be honest, a bullet can be a bit quicker than an injection, and if done right is quick and painless.

    In my opinion firing squad is a great method of execution.
    I think the problem is more in the fact that you're executing someone and less in the method of execution.

  13. Post #133
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    Attempt to rehabilitate, then if that doesn't work after X amount of time, kill them.

    Problem solved.

  14. Post #134
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    If you shoot them right between the eys you won't live, honestly how do people survive getting injected with chemicals or survive a gunshot to the head, it's a tiny chance they will anyway.
    There was a case where a man survived several lethal injections, there was also a case about a man surviving an electric chair.

    Even though they were both poorly prepared, it still gives a reason for people to prepare it properly.

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    Attempt to rehabilitate, then if that doesn't work after X amount of time, kill them.

    Problem solved.
    i.e. not solved, just basically the equivalent of shoving your poor judicial system into the corner.

    Edited:

    It's all about remorse.
    If they know what they did and they know they should have done it and wish to change their ways then the death penalty would not be in question at all. It's only if they show no remorse and act inhumane then they should be treated in the same inhumane way and have their right to life taken away.
    And what gives the state or anyone else the right to take their life away?

  16. Post #136
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    i.e. not solved, just basically the equivalent of shoving your poor judicial system into the corner.

    Edited:


    And what gives the state or anyone else the right to take their life away?
    What gave the murdurer on death row the right to take the life of there victims away, and why should they deserve any better?

  17. Post #137
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    Attempt to rehabilitate, then if that doesn't work after X amount of time, kill them.

    Problem solved.
    You can't just make a problem go away like that. You've completely ignored the judicial system, assumed that the prisoner will have made progress by the time he's "due", and also that nobody will ever question this, ever.

    Edited:

    What gave the murdurer on death row the right to take the life of there victims away, and why should they deserve any better?
    Because we are better than that. They deserve better because we can't become the same as they are, or else all our progress would have been for nothing.

    And who the fuck said the killer had the right to take someone's life? He doesn't, that's why he's being rehabilitated!

  18. Post #138
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    what's wrong with life without parole?

    killing another human being because they killed someone else is fucking hypocrisy
    EXCUSE ME, BUT HOW THE FUCK IS THIS HYPOCRISY? YOU'RE SPOUTING BULLSHIT. from my own perspective.

    This person who's at their capacity of an average person decided to kill alot of people in cold blood due to some bullshit excuse, if they think they're getting off easy for it, wrong. How is it hypocrisy when he killed ten people and their families vie for his death for retribution? This allows this motherfucker who decides to go galavanting about killing people left and right thinking he'll get in full parole and live his life out in an area that all you do is have to obey the rules.

    IN THE CASE of a murderer who's decided to kill an amount of people, 100% proof that he has done it, 100% proof that he has left the families of the deceased scarred and he doesn't give a fuck. This will end his life and give the families slight peace knowing this motherfucker is in the dirt, unable to hurt another being.


    Even then, I don't want him to have life without parole, I want him in solitary confinement if I can.

  19. Post #139
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    I guess you don't give a shit about human rights then

    shooting someone is cheap and effective. good to go!

    Edited:



    hypocrisy at its finest
    Shooting someone is cheap, quick, and painless. We do it all the time in wars.
    Also, why is it hypocrisy? Killing them gets rid of the problem. Would you rather they escape and kill others?
    People can kill legally in self defense, are you saying that's wrong and they should go to jail for life?

  20. Post #140
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    EXCUSE ME, BUT HOW THE FUCK IS THIS HYPOCRISY? YOU'RE SPOUTING BULLSHIT.

    This person who's at their capacity of an average person decided to kill alot of people in cold blood due to some bullshit excuse, if they think they're getting off easy for it, wrong. How is it hypocrisy when he killed ten people and their families vie for his death for retribution? This allows this motherfucker who decides to go galavanting about killing people left and right thinking he'll get in full parole and live his life out in an area that all you do is have to obey the rules.

    IN THE CASE of a murderer who's decided to kill an amount of people, 100% proof that he has done it, 100% proof that he has left the families of the deceased scarred and he doesn't give a fuck. This will end his life and give the families slight peace knowing this motherfucker is in the dirt, unable to hurt another being.


    Even then, I don't want him to have life without parole, I want him in solitary confinement if I can.
    Someone kills someone else = you kill someone else.

    Hypocrisy. You're no better than he is - even worse if you want him in solitary confinemt for the rest of his life - when you want to kill him. You're making the same mistake everyone else makes - you've assumed that, just because he is incapable of remorse, he is no longer valuable as human life. That is exactly the same thing he thinks - that's how he lives with killing people, and you'd have to be crazy not to try and justify it in the same way.

    So either you think the exact same way he does, or you're a sociopath who is perfectly fine with killing people - again, making you exactly the same as he is.

    Alternatively, you can realize that you're better than he is. That you're no cold-blooded killer.

  21. Post #141
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    You can't just make a problem go away like that. You've completely ignored the judicial system, assumed that the prisoner will have made progress by the time he's "due", and also that nobody will ever question this, ever.
    What does the judicial system matter? This is about the death penalty.

  22. Post #142
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    You can't just make a problem go away like that. You've completely ignored the judicial system, assumed that the prisoner will have made progress by the time he's "due", and also that nobody will ever question this, ever.

    Edited:




    Because we are better than that. They deserve better because we can't become the same as they are, or else all our progress would have been for nothing.

    And who the fuck said the killer had the right to take someone's life? He doesn't, that's why he's being rehabilitated!
    But, is it really moral to be "better than that"

    I would argue that it isn't. Letting someone live is letting the victims grieving familly pay for them to live. Letting someone live is keeping a danger to humanity alive. Letting someone live is useless.

  23. Post #143
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    Shooting someone is cheap, quick, and painless. We do it all the time in wars.
    Also, why is it hypocrisy? Killing them gets rid of the problem. Would you rather they escape and kill others?
    People can kill legally in self defense, are you saying that's wrong and they should go to jail for life?
    No, of course not. However, in self-defense, it's entirely justified - they would have died otherwise. This does not apply to a killer, who you'd be becoming if you, guess what, killed someone.

  24. Post #144
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    Someone kills someone else = you kill someone else.

    Hypocrisy. You're no better than he is - even worse if you want him in solitary confinemt for the rest of his life - when you want to kill him. You're making the same mistake everyone else makes - you've assumed that, just because he is incapable of remorse, he is no longer valuable as human life. That is exactly the same thing he thinks - that's how he lives with killing people, and you'd have to be crazy not to try and justify it in the same way.

    So either you think the exact same way he does, or you're a sociopath who is perfectly fine with killing people - again, making you exactly the same as he is.

    Alternatively, you can realize that you're better than he is. That you're no cold-blooded killer.
    I should stop responding to you. You are putting people who support thr death sentence on the same level as killers.

  25. Post #145
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    But, is it really moral to be "better than that"

    I would argue that it isn't. Letting someone live is letting the victims grieving familly pay for them to live. Letting someone live is keeping a danger to humanity alive. Letting someone live is useless.
    He's a danger as long as you keep saying he needs to be dead and not helped. He needs to be rehabilitated, he's no use to us in a cell or dead - so help him, help us all, if you're being utilitarian about this.

    Edited:

    I should stop responding to you. You are putting people who support thr death sentence on the same level as killers.
    Because they want to kill people. Yes.

    Edited:

    What does the judicial system matter? This is about the death penalty.
    Because the - admittedly flawed - judicial system determines what punishment the prisoner is most deserving of. One such punishment would be the death penalty.

  26. Post #146
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    He's a danger as long as you keep saying he needs to be dead and not helped. He needs to be rehabilitated, he's no use to us in a cell or dead - so help him, help us all, if you're being utilitarian about this.

    Edited:



    Because they want to kill people. Yes.

    Edited:



    Because the - admittedly flawed - judicial system determines what punishment the prisoner is most deserving of. One such punishment would be the death penalty.
    I want horrible murderers dead, not innocents. Am I an evil immoral person who deserved prison time and rehabilitation, because I believe in capital punishment?

  27. Post #147
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    Someone kills someone else = you kill someone else.

    Hypocrisy. You're no better than he is - even worse if you want him in solitary confinemt for the rest of his life - when you want to kill him. You're making the same mistake everyone else makes - you've assumed that, just because he is incapable of remorse, he is no longer valuable as human life. That is exactly the same thing he thinks - that's how he lives with killing people, and you'd have to be crazy not to try and justify it in the same way.

    So either you think the exact same way he does, or you're a sociopath who is perfectly fine with killing people - again, making you exactly the same as he is.

    Alternatively, you can realize that you're better than he is. That you're no cold-blooded killer.

    I am no cold blooded killer because I am putting down a known menace that is, without a doubt. A menace to society, who will kill again and doesn't care who he harms. I am not in this high horse argueing of "meaning" of how I am higher of said person because I won't kill him, allowing him to live with all the atrocities he's caused, smiling and sitting on a chair, HE DOES NOT FUCKING CARE, get it through your head, He will kill again, and I am being a realist by putting a danger to society out so that he can't do the same shit again if he escapes.

    I am not argueing of killing someone who actually shows remorse, I am not vouching of killing someone who's accidentally killed someone due to an accident. I am vouching for killing a person who willingly went to a gun store, bought a gun, went to his school, gunned down people for the sake of not giving a fuck anymore.

  28. Post #148
    I for one believe in the death sentence. I don't think the whole argument, "Killing the murderer makes you just as bad" is any good to be quite honest. I think its rather pathetic that one man who attempts kill an old lady, attempts to escape, trips on the curb breaking his ankle, files a lawsuit, and then wins. Its people like that who make me utterly sick and disgusted.

  29. Post #149
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    I am no cold blooded killer because I am putting down a known menace that is, without a doubt. A menace to society, who will kill again and doesn't care who he harms. I am not in this high horse argueing of "meaning" of how I am higher of said person because I won't kill him, allowing him to live with all the atrocities he's caused, smiling and sitting on a chair, HE DOES NOT FUCKING CARE, get it through your head, He will kill again, and I am being a realist by putting a danger to society out so that he can't do the same shit again if he escapes.

    I am not argueing of killing someone who actually shows remorse, I am not vouching of killing someone who's accidentally killed someone due to an accident. I am vouching for killing a person who willingly went to a gun store, bought a gun, went to his school, gunned down people for the sake of not giving a fuck anymore.
    He doesn't give a fuck and has an unhealthy attitude - fine. However, as much a menace as he is, he can still be helped. And that's what he needs - help. Help to understand what he did was wrong, to get it inside his head that he is here for a reason and will not leave until he realizes that he is at fault.

    Isn't that a much nicer solution than killing someone and having to justify it by becoming him?

    Edited:

    I for one believe in the death sentence. I don't think the whole argument, "Killing the murderer makes you just as bad" is any good to be quite honest. I think its rather pathetic that one man who attempts kill an old lady, attempts to escape, trips on the curb breaking his ankle, files a lawsuit, and then wins. Its people like that who make me utterly sick and disgusted.
    How is it "not any good"? Would you mind elaborating a bit, please?

  30. Post #150
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    He doesn't give a fuck and has an unhealthy attitude - fine. However, as much a menace as he is, he can still be helped. And that's what he needs - help. Help to understand what he did was wrong, to get it inside his head that he is here for a reason and will not leave until he realizes that he is at fault.

    Isn't that a much nicer solution than killing someone and having to justify it by becoming him?

    Edited:



    How is it "not any good"? Would you mind elaborating a bit, please?


    What don't you get, I am argueing that he's sane of mind, it's not that he doesn't know it's wrong, it's that he knows it's wrong but he doesn't give a fucking damn. Sometimes you have to throw out being an idealist and know when you cannot rehabilitate a person because they don't give a fuck at all, they know what they did is wrong but they don't give a shit at ALL. Would you like to try rehabilitating Adolf Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Saddam Heussein? People who fucking know what they're doing is wrong, and completely go with it, ordering the deaths of thousands just to further their own goals.

  31. Post #151
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    What don't you get, I am argueing that he's sane of mind, it's not that he doesn't know it's wrong, it's that he knows it's wrong but he doesn't give a fucking damn. Sometimes you have to throw out being an idealist and know when you cannot rehabilitate a person because they don't give a fuck at all, they know what they did is wrong but they don't give a shit at ALL. Would you like to try rehabilitating Adolf Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Saddam Heussein? People who fucking know what they're doing is wrong, and completely go with it, ordering the deaths of thousands just to further their own goals.
    But they didn't know what they were doing was wrong, or else they wouldn't have been able to live with it. They either justify it by saying it's necessary, or they tell themselves what they are doing is right.

    Granted, there are cases where the killer does not care about anything, but in that case I'd believe he's liable to get himself shot, suiciding by cop or just shooting themselves when it looks like there's no way out.

  32. Post #152
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    In my opinion firing squad is a great method of execution.
    you sound pretty bloodthirsty

    Edited:

    What don't you get, I am argueing that he's sane of mind, it's not that he doesn't know it's wrong, it's that he knows it's wrong but he doesn't give a fucking damn. Sometimes you have to throw out being an idealist and know when you cannot rehabilitate a person because they don't give a fuck at all, they know what they did is wrong but they don't give a shit at ALL. Would you like to try rehabilitating Adolf Hitler? Stalin? Pol Pot? Saddam Heussein? People who fucking know what they're doing is wrong, and completely go with it, ordering the deaths of thousands just to further their own goals.
    they can remain in prison until they're rehabilitated

    Edited:

    I am no cold blooded killer because I am putting down a known menace that is, without a doubt. A menace to society, who will kill again and doesn't care who he harms. I am not in this high horse argueing of "meaning" of how I am higher of said person because I won't kill him, allowing him to live with all the atrocities he's caused, smiling and sitting on a chair, HE DOES NOT FUCKING CARE, get it through your head, He will kill again, and I am being a realist by putting a danger to society out so that he can't do the same shit again if he escapes.

    I am not argueing of killing someone who actually shows remorse, I am not vouching of killing someone who's accidentally killed someone due to an accident. I am vouching for killing a person who willingly went to a gun store, bought a gun, went to his school, gunned down people for the sake of not giving a fuck anymore.
    what is wrong with life imprisonment without parole?

  33. Post #153
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    you sound pretty bloodthirsty
    Nope, just practical.

  34. Post #154
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    Nope, just practical.
    I wouldn't say practical - that suggests the measures taken are helpful. Pragmatic sounds about right.

  35. Post #155
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    Nope, just practical.
    glad to see that shooting people is considered "practical" to you

  36. Post #156
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    what is wrong with life imprisonment without parole?
    oh yea? OH YEA?

    well what's wrong with the electric chair without anesthesia?

  37. Post #157
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    There needs to be some case that makes the court shake that would earn yourself the death sentence, anything other lock them up for life and go from there.

    But it is getting outdated and countries or still do it and their methods sorts of scares me, like death by firing squad...

  38. Post #158
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    oh yea? OH YEA?

    well what's wrong with the electric chair without anesthesia?
    already went over why the death penalty is bullshit. I'm not gonna bother debating against every single execution method and shit because it doesn't make a fucking difference. they're all inhumane.

  39. Post #159
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    what is wrong with life imprisonment without parole?
    Prisoners take resources to keep alive.

  40. Post #160
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    Prisoners take resources to keep alive.
    Are we really at the point where it's worth worrying about this? I somehow doubt we've nearly run out of resources to keep them alive until they can leave.

    Besides, unless you intend to kill all prisoners at once it's not like we'd need to pay much less, and mass graves are just horrific.