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    Source: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/0...usaolp00000009

    Turns out there are parents in the news who do the right thing. Jennifer and John of Ohio have a transgender 10-year-old child, and they support Jackie's decision to live life as a girl.

    Since she was 18-months-old, "it was always dancing, dress-up, " says her mother Jennifer. Jackie loved the color pink and wearing ballerina outfits. She wanted sparkles and pretty shoes.

    So when Jackie was about two-years-old, Jennifer started looking on the Internet, she tells "Good Morning America." That's when she first learned about transgender and started to wonder.

    Jackie's sister, Sagan, was the first to ask if she really wanted to be a girl. "Yeah," she told her sister.

    And when Jackie was just ten years old, she went to her mom, crying. "I'm a girl and I can't do this anymore," Jackie said. Without hesitation, Jennifer said, "It's gonna be okay." There was no judgment or disappointment.

    Jackie's family abandoned the pronoun "he." At first, they only let her wear girls clothing at home, but eventually allowed her to live as a girl full-time, at school and elsewhere. When asked, Jackie's father John says he has two daughters.

    But, not everyone in the family has been as accepting as Jackie's parents. Her grandfather is resistant. "I can not accept that a nine or ten-year-old can make decisions for himself that will be life lasting," he tells GMA.

    Although Jackie's parents worry about the future -- things like puberty and how Jackie might be treated later in life at work -- for now, they are focused on her happiness. When Jackie looks in the mirror, all she sees is "a girl that's a person," she says.
    Not sure how I feel about this. I lean more towards supporting it, though.
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    Transgender ops shouldnt be legal until age 18.
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    Transgender ops shouldnt be legal until age 18.
    That was what I was disagreeing with.
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    Hm. This is going to end badly
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    How do you even know what your sexuality is at 10 years old?

    He should be busy not pissing the bed and eating candy.
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    How do you even know what your sexuality is at 10 years old?

    He should be busy not pissing the bed and eating candy.
    Some people are born in the wrong body I guess. Sex has nothing to do with it. You like what you like.
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    It's good that people with gender identity disorder can find happiness. I don't see how anyone could object to this and keep a clean conscience.
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    How do you even know what your sexuality is at 10 years old?

    He should be busy not pissing the bed and eating candy.
    wtf

    this has nothing to do with sexuality

    and they're 10, not 5
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    It's good that people with gender identity disorder can find happiness. I don't see how anyone could object to this and keep a clean conscience.
    Conservatives disagree with happyness. They say you have to do what society says.
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    So when Jackie was about two-years-old, Jennifer started looking on the Internet, she tells "Good Morning America." That's when she first learned about transgender and started to wonder.
    missread
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    Some people are born in the wrong body I guess
    ---~~~"""im a girl trapped in a guy's body"""~~~---

    i hate hearing that, it's just, ugh.
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    Some people are born in the wrong body I guess. Sex has nothing to do with it. You like what you like.
    You are not near knowing who you are at the age of 10, this seems wrong.
    I'm not against these kinds of operations at all by the way, who was it? Chers daughter? Who after becoming an adult decided she wanted to be a man and she did? He did? She did? Whatever.
    Still, I really don't know what to think.
    EDIT:
    Oh wait, I thought this was a full out operation, not just his choice in what to wear, its unorthodox but good for him, if he's happy like that.
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    I couldn't formulate proper sentences when I was 2, I doubt she was on the internet


    did you even read it

    So when Jackie was about two-years-old, Jennifer started looking on the Internet, she tells "Good Morning America." That's when she first learned about transgender and started to wonder.
    her mother did.
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    Good for her.
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    You are not near knowing who you are at the age of 10, this seems wrong.
    I'm not against these kinds of operations at all by the way, who was it? Chers daughter? Who after becoming an adult decided she wanted to be a man and she did? He did? She did? Whatever.
    Still, I really don't know what to think.
    Yeah maybe, generally speaking, but some kids are smarter and more adept than others.

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    Some people are born in the wrong body I guess. Sex has nothing to do with it. You like what you like.
    That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family.

    However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it.

    That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.
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    wtf

    this has nothing to do with sexuality

    and they're 10, not 5
    why are people rating me dumb
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    did you even read it



    her mother did.
    oh okay, but still hes 10. He hasnt even hit puberty. He was probably brought up this way
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    That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family.

    However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it.

    That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.
    Fine, testosterone/estrogen issue then.
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    How would she even UNDERSTAND being transsexual at age 2 anyway?
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    oh okay, but still hes 10. He hasnt even hit puberty. He was probably brought up this way
    Doubt it.
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    What thef fuck
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    Transgender ops shouldnt be legal until age 18.
    People can't think rationally until age 18.
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    ---~~~"""im a girl trapped in a guy's body"""~~~---

    i hate hearing that, it's just, ugh.
    Except transgenderism is a real psychological disorder and you're basing this off stereotypes.
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    People can't think rationally until age 18.
    Yep at age 18, you instantly become smarter.

    And in America, at 21, you make rational decisions about drinking.

    ...so they say.
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    That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family.

    However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it.

    That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.
    It's not a defect, it's a condition. And getting surgery done before or during early to mid puberty yields much better results.
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    Doubt it.
    It's kind of hard being able to "naturally" identify yourself with a gender when you barely have any sex hormones pumping through your system.
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    How do you even know what your sexuality is at 10 years old?

    He should be busy not pissing the bed and eating candy.
    I had crushes on girls back then. Then again I still do today.

    Edited:

    Are you implying something?
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    No such thing as overkill.
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    Liking pink, ballerina outfits, sparkles, and pretty shoes aren't genetic traits, they're cultural. What kids like is determined by what they're raised on. Raise a boy to play with dolls and a girl to play with guns, and you'll end up with kids with non-traditional interests. That they give those things as reasons why this kid is obviously transgendered is a little bit alarming.
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    He's still a guy, no one can truly be changed to another gender.

    Just my pet peeve, since they are still biologically their original gender.

    And this person might regret it later. 10 is way to early for this.
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    Liking pink, ballerina outfits, sparkles, and pretty shoes aren't genetic traits, they're cultural. What kids like is determined by what they're raised on. Raise a boy to play with dolls and a girl to play with guns, and you'll end up with kids with non-traditional interests. That they give those things as reasons why this kid is obviously transgendered is a little bit alarming.
    So you're saying this kid was raised into transgenderism?
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    That's bullshit. Nobody is born in the wrong body. Transgenderism is a neural defect, and shouldn't be addressed radically by surgery or medical therapy until emotional and mental maturity is reached. Somebody suffering at 10 may come to terms with it by 20. If an operation is done before that point, then a lot of money and time could have been wasted and a lot of pain and suffering could have been avoided for patient and family.

    However, if, by the time of psychological maturity, the boy or girl is set on choosing the operation, then go for it. It's therapeutic and if it helps them be happy in life, there should be no law against it.

    That's why I'm a little disturbed by this.
    She didn't have the operation yet, this is just the starting out phase where you take hormones and dress differently. As you've just said, psych evaluation and what not has to be done before an actual operation.

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    Liking certain colours and liking doing certain things is nothing to do with his gender identity.
    We only think pink is a girl colour because our culture tells us it is, for all we know, he just finds it aesthetically pleasing, theres nothing 'girly' about it.

    Telling him he's a girl because he finds certain colours and clothing aesthetically pleasing is absolutely retarded, and is going to fuck this kid, who is probably perfectly fine with being a guy, its just his parents go 'you like pink and dolls? YOU MUST BE A GIRL INSIDE'
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    He's still a guy, no one can truly be changed to another gender.

    Just my pet peeve, since they are still biologically their original gender.

    And this person might regret it later. 10 is way to early for this.
    Okay, for one: Continuing to refer to them as their original gender is incredibly disrespectful. For two: she hasn't gotten an operation yet, read the article.

    Edited:

    Liking certain colours and liking doing certain things is nothing to do with his gender identity.
    We only think pink is a girl colour because our culture tells us it is, for all we know, he just finds it aesthetically pleasing, theres nothing 'girly' about it.
    Gender identity disorder is more complex than "liking 'girl' things".
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    A ten year old? That's a little soon for a psychological problem to be fully looked at for the boy in the OP.
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    It's not a defect, it's a condition. And getting surgery done before or during early to mid puberty yields much better results.
    But it is a defect, in the same way that depression or OCD is a defect. It's a neurological defect that causes a psychological condition. It doesn't seem right to subject a 10 year old to hormone therapy and radical sex change surgeries, that are both costly and immensely exhausting- taking possibly years to fully complete.

    What should be done, is counseling. There are psychologists trained, specifically, in treating transgender or gender-concerned individuals. That should be done, treatment to help the person along.

    Sex change operations should be the last resort, not the first. If somebody is uncomfortable with their body, they should be helped to come to terms with that before they go off doing something very, very invasive. However, if, in the end, it winds up that they just can't help them and a surgery is all that remains, than so be it. If they are willing and it can be done safely, then there's no reason it shouldn't be done...but only after every contingency is exhausted.
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