[lukepker]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

Both a strawman and an ad hominem in the same post, amazing.

Your avatar is at least relevant to the discussion, and it shows that you already have a clear bias. The fact that I watch a certain TV show says nothing about my views on drug use.

And I did not say that anyone who does drugs is going to die of it, I said that people, in my opinion are considered dead from the moment they take it up. Who knows, they may turn their life around, and get clean.

Deaths through drug abuse should not be classed as particularly sad, or surprising.

I'm sorry, I tried not to be mean, but, the fact that you watch MLP, kind of makes you lose all your credibility, when it comes to real life stuff.

[amute]

carcarcargo posted:

How the hell is believing drugs are harmful right wing?

Being strongly anti-drug is conservative, plus, you are expressly right-wing. So yeah, you're pretty much the bottom of the barrel for humanity.

[Sgt-NiallR]

lukepker posted:

See, I can judge you on the stuff you like to do aswell, does it feel good?

It. Is. A. Television. Show.

Misinformed is something that fits you better than me in this case, though if you are simple enough to judge someone as dead from the moment they first watched a TV show, as far as I'm concerned, your opinion is no more valid than Michelle Bachman's.

[amute]

lukepker posted:

I'm sorry, I tried not to be mean, but, the fact that you watch MLP, kind of makes you lose all your credibility, when it comes to real life stuff.

Grown men who watch cartoon ponies are number one in opinions about what people should do on their own time, didn't you know?

[Sgt-NiallR]

lukepker posted:

I'm sorry, I tried not to be mean, but, the fact that you watch MLP, kind of makes you lose all your credibility, when it comes to real life stuff.

How so?
How does a TV show reflect on any aspect of a person, other than their opinion of aforementioned TV show?

[Oicani Gonzales]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

I said that people, in my opinion are considered dead from the moment they take it up.

what the fuck are you saying

Someone smokes weed ocasionally and they should be considered dead?

Weed is just like alcohol and cigarrettes, the only thing that changes is the effects upon its use, and for that reason, it might be a bit more addicting than the other two. THC per se isn't as addicting as other heavy drugs.
That's the reason that I am almost okay with occasional weed users.
Shit gets fucked up when you go above that, tho. Shit like crack and heroin - the two I had most direct contact with - really make you chemically dependent, and I'm completely against their use, and I'm sure that if you saw what I saw you'd agree.

[amute]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

It. Is. A. Television. Show.

It's still pretty fucking pathetic.

[Oicani Gonzales]

And please, guys, let's not let the quality fall so quickly that we'll have to judge him based on him liking a TV show. That's just stupid.

[Whats This?v4]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

Both a strawman and an ad hominem in the same post, amazing.

Your avatar is at least relevant to the discussion, and it shows that you already have a clear bias. The fact that I watch a certain TV show says nothing about my views on drug use.

And I did not say that anyone who does drugs is going to die of it, I said that people, in my opinion are considered dead from the moment they take it up. Who knows, they may turn their life around, and get clean.

Deaths through drug abuse should not be classed as particularly sad, or surprising.

you act like people who use drugs cant be normal members of society, that were all just addicts who are dead inside and care about nothing but their next hit. most drug users are normal people.

[lukepker]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

It. Is. A. Television. Show.

Misinformed is something that fits you better than me in this case, though if you are simple enough to judge someone as dead from the moment they first watched a TV show, as far as I'm concerned, your opinion is no more valid than Michelle Bachman's.

Sgt-NiallR posted:

In my opinion, she was dead from the moment she lit that first spliff, or snorted that first line.

Get out troll

[xxncxx]

Who?

[Ultra Violence]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

People who are substance abusers shouldn't be surprised when their life is a mess and they are at deaths door.

I can tell by your avatar that you are already biased on the side of illegal drug use, so I doubt anything anyone will say will persuade that this was not a tragedy and should not be mourned in any great fashion.

In my opinion, she was dead from the moment she lit that first spliff, or snorted that first line.

I think you misunderstand. People develop addictions because their life is a mess, because they have deep psychological problems that they don't know how to/cant get help for. And no, I don't think anyone is surprised, and I'm positive she knew it would happen eventually, but that doesn't make it any less of a tragedy.

I like how you think that someone who uses marijuana advocates the use of drugs that are actually addictive though. It's cute.

And no, no one is dead from the first use of drugs. If that were true, everyone who ever attended a university would be dead. Stop making yourself look ignorant.

lukepker posted:

Plenty of people die from alcohol.

ban alcohol.

I really do hope people like you don't get into politics, for the sake of the next generation.

And water. And unhealthy foods. And heat waves. And overexercise. And prescription medications.

But they all had it coming too, according to half the people in this thread.

Sgt-NiallR posted:

His point is that it is her fault that she allowed herself to get to the point where addiction was a risk.

You don't need to be a genius to work out that doing drugs = addiction = death, hence the lack of sympathy.

Allow herself? Once again, you don't understand addiction. People aren't addicts because they want to be addicts. They don't wake up one day and say "Hey, I'd like to be a crack addict." There are many underlying problems, hidden factors that you're completely ignoring because "durr hurr drugs are bad." Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the theories and process of addiction before you make another uninformed, ignorant post in this thread.

[Sgt-NiallR]

lukepker posted:

Get out troll

I don't troll, I express my opinion, and frankly, I'm man enough to admit that despite the petty nature of the arguments regarding MLP, I'm getting destroyed here, and I've run out of points to make.

Y'all win.

Though I still don't consider this case to be sad.

[SomTervo]

Bummer, I guess there's a new member to the 27 club

[Cruma]

Two hours and six pages, you lot sure do like talking about topics as meaningless as celebrity death.

[Oicani Gonzales]

Cruma posted:

Two hours and six pages, you lot sure do like talking about topics as meaningless as celebrity death.

maybe next time you'll want to read the whole thread and notice that we aren't talking about just that

[Aleckza]

Wow.... poor family this is so horrible

[carcarcargo]

amute posted:

Being strongly anti-drug is conservative, plus, you are expressly right-wing. So yeah, you're pretty much the bottom of the barrel for humanity.

In what way am I expressly right wing

[Oicani Gonzales]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

I don't troll, I express my opinion, and frankly, I'm man enough to admit that despite the petty nature of the arguments regarding MLP, I'm getting destroyed here, and I've run out of points to make.

Y'all win.

Though I still don't consider this case to be sad.

Ultra Violence explained it perfectly. As he pointed, you lack some understanding about what addiction is and how it works, what makes me believe that that's why you can't find the death of a drug addict sad.
I really recommend you read up on that. After some years of working with terminal drug addicts, I can safely say that my vision of life as a whole has changed a lot, for the better. I hope something like that, at least on a small scale, happens to you.

[lukepker]

Sgt-NiallR posted:

I don't troll, I express my opinion, and frankly, I'm man enough to admit that despite the petty nature of the arguments regarding MLP, I'm getting destroyed here, and I've run out of points to make.

Y'all win.

Though I still don't consider this case to be sad.

Nobody was expecting you to be sad, you were just ignorant about her drug use.

[EpicExplosion]

unfortunately this seems to have turned into a debate, although i think we should return to the tragic event this thread is based on, please. :sad:

[BaCkStAbEr]

Honestly, she lasted longer than I tought

[MrEndangered]

Poor woman. I feel geniunly sorry for her. She was incredibly talented.








Still a dumb bitch.

[carcarcargo]

Ultra Violence posted:

I think you misunderstand. People develop addictions because their life is a mess, because they have deep psychological problems that they don't know how to/cant get help for. And no, I don't think anyone is surprised, and I'm positive she knew it would happen eventually, but that doesn't make it any less of a tragedy.

I like how you think that someone who uses marijuana advocates the use of drugs that are actually addictive though. It's cute.

And no, no one is dead from the first use of drugs. If that were true, everyone who ever attended a university would be dead. Stop making yourself look ignorant.



And water. And unhealthy foods. And heat waves. And overexercise. And prescription medications.

But they all had it coming too, according to half the people in this thread.



Allow herself? Once again, you don't understand addiction. People aren't addicts because they want to be addicts. They don't wake up one day and say "Hey, I'd like to be a crack addict." There are many underlying problems, hidden factors that you're completely ignoring because "durr hurr drugs are bad." Do yourself a favor and educate yourself on the theories and process of addiction before you make another uninformed, ignorant post in this thread.

She must have known that those drugs where addictive and harmful.

[HawkeyeTy]

Wow, I almost feel bad, when I saw her drunk performance a week ago I literally said "This bitch ain't makin it to the end of the month."
Real shame, she was great when her talent outweighed her problems.
RIP.

[Ultra Violence]

carcarcargo posted:

She must have known that those drugs where addictive and harmful.

Aaaand you just missed the entire point.

She did know. But she was addicted. That is the point of addiction.

[garychencool]

Lukeo posted:

She had it coming.

isn't that obvious?

[lukepker]

Ultra Violence posted:

Aaaand you just missed the entire point.

She did know. But she was addicted. That is the point of addiction.

I dont think he understands, remember, carcarcargo seems to think that anybody who uses illegal drugs are sub human and deserves death.

[carcarcargo]

Ultra Violence posted:

Aaaand you just missed the entire point.

She did know. But she was addicted. That is the point of addiction.

But if she hadn't taken it in the first place she wouldn't have gotten addicted

Edited:

lukepker posted:

I dont think he understands, remember, carcarcargo seems to think that anybody who uses illegal drugs are sub human and deserve death.

Yeah, I never said anything like that.

[Ultra Violence]

You know what, never mind. I'm tired of repeating myself.

Read this: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/

It clearly explains the process of addiction, some underlying factors, and the brain chemistry involved in addictive behavior.

Once again: educate yourself before you make posts about things you don't understand.

Edited:

carcarcargo posted:

But if she hadn't taken it in the first place she wouldn't have gotten addicted

Once again, no one wakes up and decides to be an addict. No one tries a drug and says "I'm going to be addicted." When I had my first alcoholic drink, I did not think "I think I'll become an alcoholic." Neither did she. Becoming an addict is a long process riddled with complex psychological problems.

Read my link. Stop making yourself look stupid and uninformed.

[carcarcargo]

Ultra Violence posted:

You know what, never mind. I'm tired of repeating myself.

Read this: http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/content/addiction/

It clearly explains the process of addiction, some underlying factors, and the brain chemistry involved in addictive behavior.

Once again: educate yourself before you make posts about things you don't understand.

Edited:



Once again, no one wakes up and decides to be an addict. No one tries a drug and says "I'm going to be addicted." When I had my first alcoholic drink, I did not think "I think I'll become an alcoholic." Neither did she. Becoming an addict is a long process riddled with complex psychological problems.

Read my link. Stop making yourself look stupid and uninformed.

Heroin is far more potent than alcohol, most people know this, you don't try a drug like that unless you aren't worried about getting addicted.

[OrionChronicles]

oh crap... This came out of absolutely nowhere for me.

[Ultra Violence]

carcarcargo posted:

Heroin is far more potent than alcohol, most people know this, you don't try a drug like that unless you aren't worried about getting addicted.

WOW

You ignore my entire post and start talking about heroin? Who the fuck even mentioned heroin? It was only one of many drugs she used. Stop being so tunnel-visioned. And the process of addiction to heroin and alcohol are exactly the same.

And you didn't even try to learn about addiction. I even gave you a source.

Read the link, or stop posting your pathetically naive opinions.

[The Baconator]

I never even heard of her until the news.

[carcarcargo]

Ultra Violence posted:

WOW

You ignore my entire post and start talking about heroin? Who the fuck even mentioned heroin? It was only one of many drugs she used. Stop being so tunnel-visioned. And the process of addiction to heroin and alcohol are exactly the same.

And you didn't even try to learn about addiction. I even gave you a source.

Read the link, or stop posting your pathetically naive opinions.

I read your former post, you just cannot compare alcohol to most drugs, since it usually comes in low concentrations, so drinking one glass of say, vodka per day will not make you alcoholic, whereas snorting crack, shooting heroin and what not will most likely get you addicted

[Ultra Violence]

carcarcargo posted:

I read your former post, you just cannot compare alcohol to most drugs, since it usually comes in low concentrations, so drinking one glass of say, vodka per day will not make you alcoholic, whereas snorting crack, shooting heroin and what not will most likely get you addicted

Still not reading the link, still actively refusing to educate yourself, still posting ignorant opinions.

And yes, I can compare alcohol to most drugs, because it is the same process. And since you said "snorting crack," I'm just going to leave it at that.

You're a fucking idiot and understand nothing about drugs or addiction, nor are you willing to learn. So stay in your cave and I'll stay away.

[carcarcargo]

Ultra Violence posted:

Still not reading the link, still actively refusing to educate yourself, still posting ignorant opinions.

And yes, I can compare alcohol to most drugs, because it is the same process. And since you said "snorting crack," I'm just going to leave it at that.

You're a fucking idiot and understand nothing about drugs or addiction, nor are you willing to learn. So stay in your cave and I'll stay away.

So you're saying that even if you don't take a drug you can still be addicted to it? Because as I see it, if you don't take a drug you can't get addicted to it.

[Fivas]

Oh god I only just found out now. Surprised I never came across this earlier as I was a fan of amy..
I did see it coming though, especially after her stage performance a while ago.

[Ultra Violence]

carcarcargo posted:

So you're saying that even if you don't take a drug you can still be addicted to it? Because as I see it, if you don't take a drug you can't get addicted to it.

No. No, I'm not saying that all. In fact, I never said anything even close to that. On top of being unwilling to learn anything, you're also very bad at reading comprehension apparently.

[Tacosheller]

First horse to die of a drug overdose