1. Post #281
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    I don't think you even realize how much of a problem they can be, and I don't want to be playing with a $600 clear plastic A&K Masada. Notice that little incident with Redwolf and the extreme price jacking for otherwise unremarkable goods? It was a pretty big thing on Arnie's in the news section. If you're okay with them pulling that on us here like they try to in Europe, then I'm speechless.
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  2. Post #282
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    Each gun has their perks. The Scar comes with 2 mags, a hi cap and a mid cap. The G&G has a tightbore. The Ak is just legit. The M4 is versatile (field and CQB.)

    My Field is a mix of the two. More Field I think, though.
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  3. Post #283
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    If it's field with a mix of CQB, I'd stick with the SCAR. You can always drop in a tightbore at a later date, and the SCAR has it's folding stock, making it prime for both field and CQB environments.
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  4. Post #284
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    Alright, the Scar is getting a lot of good info. What about the reliability of each? It's probably just M4, Ak and Scar now.
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  5. Post #285
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    Go on, continue to disregard me.

    The KWA is good but it may leave you disappointed with range, the Echo1 SCAR is just not comparable (it's a rebranded China clone with fugly markings, for Pete's sake) even if it does come with two mags, and the AKs will often come shooting 450 out of the box. Unless you've got money for tech work, can do it yourself, field allows hot guns, want to risk damage to settle the spring, ect., avoid the AK for now. It pains me to say it, but it's a headache to deal with that stuff if you want to be able to play very soon with minimal hassel.

    As for the CQB-field mix, a long gun will still work out quite well, I imagine. You'll probably end up needing a pistol for CQB to engage safely anyway, and since this doesn't seem to be on the table right now weapon length with close quarters in mind is irrelevant. Get a good M16 (NOT the G&G, try a VFC) and you won't regret it unless you're 5' tall (also, there IS a technique to use an M16 in CQB and it works fine).
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  6. Post #286
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    Honestly, the Trades don't bother me that much.

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    But I'll look at VFC and G&P.

    Edited:

    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6985

    This one looks good, but the lack of Carry Handle bothers me.
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  7. Post #287
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    http://www.airsoftgi.com/product_inf...oducts_id=6985

    This one looks good, but the lack of Carry Handle bothers me.
    It uses Deans. Another uselessly complicating thing for a guy just starting off...skip it, you'll probably have to pay even more to get them to fit a battery with the right kind of connectors. The markings are kind of strange anyway.

    Try the VFC M16A3 or a G&P M16A2. The latter of the two is only available from places like ehobbyasia as far as I can tell, but should still work out to be in your price range even after shipping.
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  9. Post #289
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    I have one of those, though I'd recommend you go for the M16A3 instead for great justice and/or increased range factor. And pray it doesn't consistently meter over 400.

    If you don't screw up the fuse like I did due to it being an oddball kind (accidentally pulled something out and can't fix it), you should be good to go right off the bat. Install a new hop up or a tight(er) bore, or both, and you should have a godly weapon. The G&Ps are about the same level of quality and as long as the tappet plate or some other notorious part doesn't bust immediately, you shouldn't go wrong there either.
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  10. Post #290
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    Not sure about g&p's gearbox




    Can't go wrong with a vfc though; and if you're getting any gun, get a tightbore for it asap
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  11. Post #291
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    Jenkem was right about the AKs, I'm a complete newb, and my field's limit is 400 I think, so I guess I have to rule those out. The thing is, I can't find a G&P M16 stateside. So yeah.
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  12. Post #292
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    Well kwa performs fairly well out of the box needing little to no upgrades

    In terms of range my kwa m16 (lol, fake c7a1) with a prometheus tightbore is on par with my g&g soc16 with a guarder 6.02

    Edited:

    Other than that both guns are stock but my tm g36c outranges both with a promy tightbore
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  13. Post #293
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    KWA vs. VFC? If I get an M4 it's one of those.
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  14. Post #294
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    I have a kwa and i'm happy with it, and iirc ender has one too and recommended me a kwa

    If you want aftermarket parts though, kwa is the worst because you basically can't fit ANYTHING
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  15. Post #295
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    Jenkem was right about the AKs, I'm a complete newb, and my field's limit is 400 I think, so I guess I have to rule those out. The thing is, I can't find a G&P M16 stateside. So yeah.
    You can't order from overseas? I could do some digging to find something for you in an Asian shop.

    Airsoft GI stocks VFC M16s, though I think they may be out of stock right now.
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  16. Post #296
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    Well, the shipping seems steep, and I have $300 for the gun.
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  17. Post #297
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    Probably the most expensive but unique way of doing things is:

    get a tokyo marui

    change out all the gearbox parts to increase service life and shoot harder (probably only the latter though sice tm has low fps but super reliability)

    get g&p bodykit

    ?????

    Edited:

    You're probably going to want a crane stock to be honest
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  18. Post #298
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    Eh, sounds like way too much to do.
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  19. Post #299
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    Well no shit because pimping a tokyo marui will probaby blow a $1000 hole in your bank
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  20. Post #300
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    Nevermind then, lol.
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  21. Post #301
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    Nevermind then, lol.
    The M16A2 was out of stock on Ehobbyasia, but I added an M733 from G&P into my cart (similar price) and calculated the shipping based on my region, since I don't know which part of the US you're in. It should roughly work out within your price range if you do order from overseas.

    Again, I feel the need to plug and recommend you that one as a backup option over a full-length battle rifle. It should have reasonable accuracy out of the box, even though it's extremely short, but throw in a tightbore and you will be slaying bodies.
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  22. Post #302
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    G&P M733? I'll look into it.
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  23. Post #303
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    Yes.

    http://shop.ehobbyasia.com/gandp-m733-aeg.html

    Should have realistic trades assuming customs doesn't defile it's beauty. They're a tad shorter than an M4, but they're more old-school (and consequently probably can't take a lot of external upgrades). For instance, to mount a scope, you'll need a mount that bolts directly onto the carry handle instead of taking off the carry handle and mounting an optic in it's place.
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  24. Post #304
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    I would suggest getting something with rails on the reciever because you'll have to pay a little more just to get rails that mount on top of a carrying handle versus taking the carrying handle off and slapping an optic you just bought
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  25. Post #305
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    I would suggest getting something with rails on the reciever because you'll have to pay a little more just to get rails that mount on top of a carrying handle versus taking the carrying handle off and slapping an optic you just bought
    Only about ten dosh.

    Its not really necessary to even attach anything to it. Most airsoft fields could use something without rails for once.
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  26. Post #306
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    Imagine if they made BBs that somehow magically avoided eyes and eyeglasses. That would make Airsoft so much more comfortable for me.
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  27. Post #307
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    Only about ten dosh.

    Its not really necessary to even attach anything to it. Most airsoft fields could use something without rails for once.
    except red dots, lasers and foregrips are convenient to have and sadly, most guns need rails to accept at least one of the three
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  28. Post #308
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    Imagine if they made BBs that somehow magically avoided eyes and eyeglasses. That would make Airsoft so much more comfortable for me.
    Imagine if they made BB's that call hits.
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  29. Post #309
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    2 day long game planned in August, niko get yer ass over here
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  30. Post #310
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    2 day long game planned in August, niko get yer ass over here
    Sure, I'll be there.
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  31. Post #311
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    Speaking of Niko getting his ass somewhere, that reminds me of...

    Hey cousin, want to go bowling?
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  32. Post #312
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    except red dots, lasers and foregrips are convenient to have and sadly, most guns need rails to accept at least one of the three
    Foregrips are heresy on an old gun like that. The poor guy can afford to sacrifice a very small tactical benefit for style points and being the most non-MagPul-operator player on the field. Given how imprecise a lot of airsoft play tends to be, he could probably avoid using a red dot for a while and get by just fine (he won't need one now anyway - sounds like the buy itself will squeeze all of his money). Also, I have a tactical light that clamps right onto my barrel. It's wonderful and this kind would probably do great for him if he needed to mount one without a rail.
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    Foregrips are heresy on an old gun like that. The poor guy can afford to sacrifice a very small tactical benefit for style points and being the most non-MagPul-operator player on the field. Given how imprecise a lot of airsoft play tends to be, he could probably avoid using a red dot for a while and get by just fine (he won't need one now anyway - sounds like the buy itself will squeeze all of his money). Also, I have a tactical light that clamps right onto my barrel. It's wonderful and this kind would probably do great for him if he needed to mount one without a rail.
    As much as I like old guns and style points, if I were looking for my first I'd want a gun where I can do things to it and see whether I like attachments or not and then see for my second gun whether I'd want a gun with a lot of rails or a plain and simple gun - so tl;dr get a gun with semi rails and see where you want to go with it, getting something because it looks cool can be a buzzkill if it goes wrong... especially for a first gun

    I also say get a red dot because it's probably the first thing I'd put on my gun if given the choice to choose one of any type of accessory because it gives you a tremendous advantage over ironsights and it's pretty much perfect for an AEG engagement distance
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  34. Post #314
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    Again, he doesn't seem to have any more money to buy extras. I'm pretty sure the M733 is light and if it handles even remotely like my other untacticooled M4, he'll do just fine without a foregrip - it's nice to have, but versus gripping the magwell and having a strange rail on a gun that looks terrible with rails, the tradeoff doesn't seem like it'd be worth it. In the event he does want one, he can get one of those kits that bolts onto the handguard without a full rail to replace the entire handguard, and thus will keep his gun looking mostly snazzy while slightly more functional.
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  35. Post #315
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    Fp archives are backish:
    Look what i found:
    http://www.facepunch.com/threads/769...oft-MegaThread
    hah, even i posted in that.

    Edited:

    FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T POST IN IT.
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  36. Post #316
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  37. Post #317
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    Again, he doesn't seem to have any more money to buy extras. I'm pretty sure the M733 is light and if it handles even remotely like my other untacticooled M4, he'll do just fine without a foregrip - it's nice to have, but versus gripping the magwell and having a strange rail on a gun that looks terrible with rails, the tradeoff doesn't seem like it'd be worth it. In the event he does want one, he can get one of those kits that bolts onto the handguard without a full rail to replace the entire handguard, and thus will keep his gun looking mostly snazzy while slightly more functional.
    But then again getting additional rails is a hassle which I found out with my G36 and to an extent my M16
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  38. Post #318
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    Duct-tape.
    Use it.
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  39. Post #319
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    The hand holding up the MGL was like "FUCK YOU THIS SHIT IS WAY TOO GOD DAMN HEAVY"
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  40. Post #320
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    Got some special news.

    My dad and I just ordered a $1400 3D printer. Should be here in 2 weeks. This means this summer I'll be back into R&D for new parts, accessories and so forth. Shits gonna be fun.

    This is what we ordered.
    http://www.bitsfrombytes.com/content...3d-printer-kit

    Already Planned:
    -ODST M6C Slide (to finally finish the V.1)
    -ODST M6C V2 (more correctly detailed)
    -G36 Magpuls for WE G36 mags
    -PMAG/EMAG shell for WE G36 mag internals (make compatible with real PMAG ranger plates)

    My friends working at Dog Tag Airsoft might be sending some designs my way too.
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