1. Post #161
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    I've decided to give these bands a listen:[list][*]Jethro Tull[*]Dzyan[*]Van Der Graaf Generator[*]Camel[*]Kansas[*]Magma[*]Marillion[*]Solaris[*]Fates Warning[/list]Which is bad since I have a report I need to finish writing.
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  2. Post #162
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    Try Soft Machine and PFM too.
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  3. Post #163
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    I'm still not sure I get it. Could you point me to such song? And how can you count 3/4 in 2s?
    I'm oversimplifying it, the point is when you get a song which has a part in 6/8, the pulse is in 3s, for example, the downbeat in 6/8 comes on One and Four. For 12/8 the strong beats are One, Four, Seven and Ten. With simple time the strong beats are wherever the feel dictates, most of the time on One or Three, but it varies depending on the style of music.

    The point is, 6/8, though seemingly related to 3/4, has a lot more in common with 2/4 because of how the beats are spaced. Same with 12/8 and 4/4. If you listen to 4/4 in triplet time you're effectively hearing 12/8.

    An example of 6/8 is the verses of this song, the choruses are in 4/4. Try counting the verses in 3/4 and you'll have some trouble, unless you count it in double time

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  4. Post #164
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    Could someone explain to me how Bill Bruford got to quit Yes immediately after Close To The Edge. I still don't have much understanding of how they let him go so easily.

    Edited:

    the first true progressive rock album was from King Crimson, who somehow managed to write a jazz-metal song in the 60s.
    Really should have said "first popular progressive rock album that put the genre on the map"
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  5. Post #165
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    Could someone explain to me how Bill Bruford got to quit Yes immediately after Close To The Edge. I still don't have much understanding of how they let him go so easily.
    I remember reading something about him hearing the words "Total Mass Retain" and decided he'd had a good run but needs a different band.
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  6. Post #166
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    I understand King Crimson's appeal to him as a drummer seeing as they were very jazz oriented too, and it was the wise decision (not to hurt people's feelings). I just don't know how that came about.

    Probably the best thing he could do really.
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  7. Post #167
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    Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds is the world's best prog rock concept album
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  8. Post #168
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    Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds is the world's best prog rock concept album
    Wouldn't exactly count it as rock, but I love it.
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    Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds is the world's best prog rock concept album
    I feel like I need to hear this.
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  10. Post #170
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    -snip
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  11. Post #171
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    Jeff Wayne's War Of The Worlds is the world's best prog rock concept album
    Saw it live on December 5th, I believe.

    Shit was fucking AWESOME.
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  12. Post #172
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    Saw it live on December 5th, I believe.

    Shit was fucking AWESOME.
    Saw it on December 4th, got a t-shirt :smug:
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  13. Post #173
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    Any photos of the show?
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  14. Post #174
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    Nah, I was too busy watching it to take photos. :mmmsmug:
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  15. Post #175
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    No memento at all?

    Good job :waycool:
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  16. Post #176
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    I still have the tickets and the aforementioned t-shirt :colbert:
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  17. Post #177
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    Cool.

    Anyone heard of the Top 40 cosmic rock albums list? Some good stuff on there.
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  18. Post #178
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    Cool.

    Anyone heard of the Top 40 cosmic rock albums list? Some good stuff on there.
    http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/q_mojo_se.htm

    Oh wow I've only listened to 13 of them
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  19. Post #179
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    10 for me
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    8 for me.

    Also, Hakita, just want to say I enjoyed your song on the FP Collab album 2.
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  21. Post #181
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    Also, Hakita, just want to say I enjoyed your song on the FP Collab album 2.
    Thanks, you can check out more on my soundcloud account
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  22. Post #182
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    http://www.rocklistmusic.co.uk/q_mojo_se.htm

    Oh wow I've only listened to 13 of them
    20 for me, got about 10 on vinyl :smug:

    Edited:

    Surprised Hot Rats was Recognized on there, great album.
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  23. Post #183
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    Holly shit Hawkwind is awesome :O
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  24. Post #184
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    People need to be discovering more obscure Prog Rock bands. There is a lot to like
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  25. Post #185
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    I very very strongly recommend album 30 on this list

    edit

    People need to be discovering more obscure Prog Rock bands. There is a lot to like
    Automatic Fine Tuning is a good instrumental prog-rock band that I only heard about yesterday. only one album but it's rad
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  26. Post #186
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    Automatic Fine Tuning is a good instrumental prog-rock band that I only heard about yesterday. only one album but it's rad
    Rings a bell, I'll look into it.

    Edited:

    Apparantly people are suggesting this is progressive rock


    I see where they're getting at, but it's a bit extreme to call it prog rock when it contains some styles.
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  27. Post #187
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    Rings a bell, I'll look into it.

    Edited:

    Apparantly people are suggesting this is progressive rock


    I see where they're getting at, but it's a bit extreme to call it prog rock when it contains some styles.
    It borders progressive, especially how the side two medley all blends together.
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  28. Post #188
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    Apparantly people are suggesting this is progressive rock


    I see where they're getting at, but it's a bit extreme to call it prog rock when it contains some styles.
    I've always believed that the definition of prog rock is just rock which mainly draws influences from classical and jazz rather than blues and rock & roll, so while I can sooooooooorta see where they're coming from it doesn't really fit in what I'd consider progressive
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  29. Post #189
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    I've always believed that the definition of prog rock is just rock which mainly draws influences from classical and jazz rather than blues and rock & roll, so while I can sooooooooorta see where they're coming from it doesn't really fit in what I'd consider progressive
    Progressive is pushing the boundaries of rock and roll to new musical and itellectual heights. Sgt Peppers is considered a key album in the formation of prog.
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  30. Post #190
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    Progressive is pushing the boundaries of rock and roll to new musical and itellectual heights. Sgt Peppers is considered a key album in the formation of prog.
    They weren't talking about formation, people were saying Abbey Road was actually a progressive rock album.
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  31. Post #191
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    Progressive is pushing the boundaries of rock and roll to new musical and itellectual heights. Sgt Peppers is considered a key album in the formation of prog.
    I know there's not a huge difference, but I've always considered Sgt Pepper's to be more art rock than prog rock
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  32. Post #192
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    Protest The Hero is awesome. I love their new album (Scurillous).
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    Two great albums by a great band.
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  34. Post #194
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    I need to get some Camel on vinyl. I'm pretty sure my store has some if I dig

    But I think I'll have to lay off working through their discography as my listening has been solely prog rock over the past 4 days or so.
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  35. Post #195
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    Just let it envelop you :smug:
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  36. Post #196
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    i love this album because it breaks the convention of what people call prog rock
    instead of long guitar solo suites with heavy boom percussion and lyrics about mutant pet goats, they actually made a proper new-wavy pop album

    Edited:

    i hate everything else though:
    yes, jethro tull, and later pink floyd makes me gag
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  38. Post #198
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    What kind of prog do you play? I'd really like to start writing my own music, but I've only been playing for about a year and havenīt bothered with a whole lot of theory + I donīt have any kind of recording equipment. I should really get a teacher at some point.
    We mix in all our influences as much as we can. Right now were writing an upbeat funk metal influenced thing, but we dabble in prog death and technical prog metal. But our main style is kind of like Porcupine Tree, atmospheric.

    To start you absolutely need some theory under your belt. Learn stuff about polyrhythms and things. And learn harmony. Specifically some jazz harmony and things like sus chords. Lots of people just do what they want, but having the theory gives it more structure and thought quite often. You also need to know the rules to break them properly.

    On a different note, I'm pretty sure that The Universal Migrator by Ayreon is the most epic sounding prog metal album ever.
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  39. Post #199
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    i love this album because it breaks the convention of what people call prog rock
    instead of long guitar solo suites with heavy boom percussion and lyrics about mutant pet goats, they actually made a proper new-wavy pop album
    Let me get this straight.

    You think it's a perfect prog album, because you think it's actually a New-wave pop album?

    :crossarms:
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  40. Post #200
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    show me where i said it was a perfect prog album
    if i remember correctly that was the "mass-divide" album, devoid of the flute, mellotron, and duck whistle soundscapes that made them popular
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