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That's pretty. Love the lighting.
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The rim-lighting, contrast and dodging are both crazily excessive, but I like your style.
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Really nice, but I think I see some isolation errors on top of everyone's heads.
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yeah show dem fake combines bout dis here darkside
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Its really dark and gothic. Which in my opinion, is pretty fuckin' sweet. Keep it up man, I'll be watching you.
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The posing looks a bit funky but the style is awesome.
I like your pics.
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A very old-school style.
Nostalgic.
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man i'm surprised you still exist
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Woo daddy, dis somethin' to be woken up too.
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This.
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Ughh...
Your picture lacks extreme amounts of consitency, and the posing is really off at some parts.
First of all. The lightning. Okay, the lightning is cool, hip and all that. But it makes absolutely no goddamn sense in any way. The left combine is super shiny on hsi right shoulder and head. But his left shoulder has no lightning at all. If this is supposed to be lightning from the muzzleflash then it needs to actually light up his whole right side of the suit, not just the edge. Second of all... Why is there a muzzleflash there? Why is he shooting? What is he shooting at? The muzzleflash is pointing to the left, but he is clearly looking right at us.
Then there is the combine on the right. He's ALSO looking STRAIGHT AT US. WHY? Isn't he supposed to look at the person he is shooting? Oh but I think so. His head is shaded on the right side... But the muzzleflash is on the right side and giving him weird outlined highlights... This doesn't make any sense. Where is the light coming from? And why doesn't his muzzleflash light up the left combine when it does light up the falling combines gun? That gun is further away from the muxxleflash than the left combine.
His gun is also aiming 50 miles over the falling combines head... How super fast are these guys? The muzzleflash is there... But the guy has already fell a big distance and the gun is aiming right at his head if he stood up. The muzzleflash is made when you shoot, not 3 seconds after. Sure, he is shooting several times, but then he would have followed his fall, not just shoot at the exact same place. It takes time to fall, so he has time to lower his aim.
The falling combine is probably the least consistent of all. First of all the falling problem which I just described. Then what the fuck is this yellow outline stuff on him? All the time you've made the muzzleflash highlight stuff in PURE WHITE. And now. All of a sudden you put on a yellow inner glow effect on him? Why? It's even odder since his weapon highlighted in white. And why is it only highlighted on the right side? The left side has a muzzleflash from the other combine too which is almost just as far away.
Blood is smudged and extremely blurry. The smoke is also extremely smudged and has unrealistic movement (you give clear indications of edges, and have a lot of round holes in the smoke, which makes it look very fake). The bullets looks like squares with bevel and emboss and have no sign of movement other than a smoke trail.
Double shadow doesn't make that much sense either because again, you're only focusing on the muzzleflash the combine hold, you're ignoring the other muzzleflash that should also brighten up the person and make him cast a new shadow. They should have two shadows each.
Also reduce your sharpening or whatever you did. The stuff sticking out of the right combine is oversharpened. Also avoid making the render clouds effect so visible on the bottom there.
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Oh, Okay, I now understand the meaning of posting pictures.
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I understand where you're coming from. An artist should always be able to criticize the artist, and the critic should always be allowed to criticize, regardless of skill in the art- the job of the critic is never to be good at art, but to understand. The problem is that you don't consider yourself a critic, you consider yourself an artist. I don't know how to make music, I don't know how to play the guitar, but I know a bad guitar tune when I hear one. The problem with this is that the same cannot be applied to pictures. I can take one of the best pictures ever, made by Hayate, and I can say anything I want of it, from "inconsistent lighting" to "unrealistic fog" but in the end it all comes down to atmosphere.
Wherever you are in New Zealandia, I'm sorry I had to call on you for this argument, great god of gmod posing.
My point is, what I've been trying to get at without making an idiot of either of us, is that you shouldn't nitpick for the sake of nitpicking, whether your reasons may be personal or if it's just your mood. Don't.
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I'm a critic and consider myself as one.I understand where you're coming from. An artist should always be able to criticize the artist, and the critic should always be allowed to criticize, regardless of skill in the art- the job of the critic is never to be good at art, but to understand. The problem is that you don't consider yourself a critic, you consider yourself an artist. I don't know how to make music, I don't know how to play the guitar, but I know a bad guitar tune when I hear one. The problem with this is that the same cannot be applied to pictures. I can take one of the best pictures ever, made by Hayate, and I can say anything I want of it, from "inconsistent lighting" to "unrealistic fog" but in the end it all comes down to atmosphere.
Wherever you are in New Zealandia, I'm sorry I had to call on you for this argument, great god of gmod posing.
My point is, what I've been trying to get at without making an idiot of either of us, is that you shouldn't nitpick for the sake of nitpicking, whether your reasons may be personal or if it's just your mood. Don't.
I'd like to be an artist, sure, but I'm not.
I don't find there to be any good atmosphere in your picture, what I'm pointing out can help you in creating a good atmosphere from my point of view and understanding of it.
I live in Norway and I am sorry that you can't handle criticism and just want to hear good praise about your masterpieces. Surely anyone who does not like what you do is arrogant, above himself and thinks he's a master at what he's criticising.
I am really sad to hear that peoples asskissing and love for bad photoshops has made decent photoshops like yours into masterpieces and does not see a room for improvement in any way. You'll never become a master if you can't realize that nothing is ever perfect and that it can always be improved.
This is neither personal or mood based. This is pure constructive criticism. It's again really sad to see such a reaction. You linked me to this thread through Steam and all you wanted to hear was "This is great man!"? Then you obviously asked the wrong guy and just wanted as many people as possible to come into your thread and say how great it is.
Sad to hear that you have no intention of becoming better. I never told you that you had to do anything I said, but that's what I see that you can improve on. But I should have known that Screenshots & Movies never had any hope in shaping up it's quality when I left it in ~06-07.
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As much as I am frustrated right now, and I want to scream at the top of my lungs, I'll remain calm and tell you something.
I'm not a pompous, egoistical megalomaniac whose only goal in his entire existence is to be noticed. The same can not be said for you. I competely accept the fact that my work is not the apex of artistic evolution, neither is it a masterpiece designed to hang in the halls of the motherfucking Louvre. I don't post links to people on steam and I don't post pictures to get praise, I'm not in the (notably, free) business of making semi-art to wave my dick. I enjoy doing it and sharing my work with others. I accept constructive criticism, and I was never telling you that all your points are invalid. What I'm trying to get at is that you are criticizing something that is absolutely not bad. In fact, I believe it's great. It has errors, the smoke, the yellow inner shadow on the combine, he fact that the guy is aiming high, everything you just said. You are basing your "constructivism" on negatives. "I think you're one ugly motherfucker" is not constructive advice when you want to comment on someone.
Neither is the picture a total failure at aesthetics.
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Hehe, I can understand that feeling.
I focused on what you could improve on. Whilst yes, I never said "Good work" I never said it was a bad piece of work. In the next post (although that is too late in this sense) I also said that your work was a decent shop, instead of the general amount of bad shops you'll find laying around everywhere.
I think it is odd of you to say that I am criticizing something that is not bad when that is something that is completely subjective. Lots of people may like it, but there is probably lots of people who may hate it too.
I never called you an "ugly motherfucker" or anything that would hint towards such thing. I did however react at how you put up a complete defense at all my criticism and brought up how you can't comment on masterpieces and it all comes down to atmosphere. You put a complete halt and denied taking in any of the advices and put me into a role I never claimed to be in, plus you called me high on myself by saying "great god of gmod posing" when I've never found myself to be very good at posing at all. You also implied that I went out on your for personal or mood reasons and told me not to do so when there was nothing in my post that implied either of those things.
I don't know who's calling who names or who is mean to who. But I do know you are just as much at fault in causing an aggressive and angry mood as I am.
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Seriously guys.
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I see no reason for you to be frustrated, I've just read his post twice and he didn't imply that your picture was bad in any way. It just has too many errors to look appealing to me. I don't know shit about editing, but those random outlines and the way you are using lighting just don't look right. If there was meant to be any kind of atmosphere in your picture, those details already ruined it.
That's just constructive criticism, calm down and take it as a bunch of helpful tips. Consider yourself lucky great people take the time to criticize your work like that, because it never happened to me whenever I posted artistic work.
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The shadows on the wall are crap.
Also, the cop in the middle looks out of place.
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And the corner section of those two walls just doesn't look right.
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I kinda like it. Although I think the Trenchcoat Metro should be looking where he's shooting, in my opinion.
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great god of gmod posing is hayate
now that i have it out of the way
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In no way do I intend to say that my picture is a masterpiece. I am just standing cluelessly in front of your reply as I do not honestly believe that all the things to be said about the picture is bad. You do realize that something is wrong that with all the ass licking suck up comments someone struts in and, even if he did not intend, completely shits all over the thread with his opinion.
It may be just with you. I am not talking about formalities here, I'm not saying your rant would have appealed to me more if you started with a "The picture is great, but...", I realize you are trying to appear level-headed, calm and with manners, but even you know that this isn't true. You enjoy the argument, you like how I am frustrated at the fact that someone comes in the thread and instead of actual constructive criticism as you described, gives "constructive" criticism. And that criticism needs massive sarcasm marks.
I always enjoyed people who can give valid points. Your points were no less valid, but the execution is entirely different as it should be.
I'm not telling you to praise my work. I'm telling you to consider appreciating the cumulative picture, and not individual mistakes that can be found in any other picture.
You're also biased. You tell me that this is an individual critical opinion, but from what it seems, it's your very nature to criticize things. I worded that wrong. Criticism is nothing bad. But you're just plain out biased, negative and unsupportive of anything, outside the fast anime thread. Surprising that's your thread chain, isn't it.
But I'm going down to personal insults, I'm sorry.
I don't want to sound like a stuck-up hypocrite, and the argument is not with you. I've been around here for as much as 4 years now. I appreciate the thought, and thanks for even taking the time to call it "artistic artwork", but dgg is nowhere near great people. I don't know what made you think of this notion, but dgg, this isn't a personal insult. You're just being shallow everywhere you post.
A good critic is never negative. He's critical. Reasonable, rational.
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Ah, that makes a lot more sense. Thanks for clearing it up.
I personally do find all those things that I stated to be bad.
And when I can criticize so much about everything in picture I don't see how I am supposed to enjoy the whole picture.
I find it that you have many good individual elements (each combine looks nice on their own, but when put together they lose all form of logical sense and cause a mess. Like how you completely ignore the light that is emitted from the muzzleflash on the other combine not holding the gun that emitts the muzzleflash)
I am level-headed and have manners. I am not calm however, my heart beats fast in enjoyment and intensity of the moment.
I love arguments and I am a sadist in that aspect, yes, I will not disagree with that.
And no. I AM giving your pure constructive criticism. I am not criticising your work for the sake of criticising it and hiding it as "LOL CONSTRUCTIVE".
I AM trying to help you and I AM giving you CONSTRUCTIVE criticism.
You need to stop and run away just because you don't enjoy getting so much criticism at once and that the criticism doesn't reflect on what you would have criticised. We are different individuals with different understandings of what good is and what bad is. It's purely your choice to ignore or take use of my constructive criticism.
"As it should be". The hell is that supposed to mean? There is no right way or wrong way to give criticism. One way may make you look more like an ass than another, but there is no such thing as a right or wrong way.
I am looking at the whole picture and I am looking at the individual parts.
However I find the whole picture to be ruined by the individual part, because really, every individual part that makes up the picture needs to be worked on IMO.
Oh LOL. Seriously.
I enjoy criticising mainly because I enjoy helping people to improve. I don't want to see people work on a linear path and never try or want to become better. I like to make people work and care for their work. And caring for your own work is by seeing what you can improve, not ignoring bad parts because "oh well, they probably won't notice", "Eh, it's just a detail" or "Well, it looks kinda good overall, so, yeah, won't bother fixing".
I am more of an asshole in FA than anywhere else, flinging more shit in peoples faces for no reason other than being an ass (without any serious or personal meaning put behind it of course). You might want to check out how a person acts in such threads before you claim knowing how he/she is in those threads. I am also out in the GMF and GD (seldom in GD because lack of good threads) and debate. Even though GMF is more like Fast Threads without fear of banning. I also give out C&C in Creationism Corner, and I've never met anyone that has reacted like you have done here there, not in years.
A good critic is critical. If you're critical you point out negative faults that can be improved on. That's exactly what I did. Stop running away from that fact.
How am I not reasonable and rational?
You want me to post like this instead? Just pointing out flaws without saying what you can do to fix it? Sounds much better, reasonable, rational and just critical, not negative.
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I'm not going to argue with you anymore. I am not ignorant to the errors of my work, and I'm not ignorant towards the fact that you get a natural high off arguments.
I know what it's like.
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You just took a whole marathon in running away right there.
Well, it was nice arguing with you. See you later.
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Stop whining already, sheesh.
Oh, what's the matter? Did someone have a negative stance on your creation? Oh boo hoo.
A good critic will offer positives and negatives. Stop crying that he gave you negatives.
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Hello everyone! I would like you to know that I am not a fan of nudity!!!
May 2009
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Does this remind anyone else of District 9?
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dramabreaker
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Gotta love the shinny eyes!
Just a question, Why combines are fighting combines?
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Kind of sad you got into an argument with dgg. His intention was trying to let you know what you did wrong, and be able to improve and do better in the future. Truthfully this section has gone a little down hill since the days I posted more and some pictures were absolutely beautiful and epic.
If you let the critics do their job, and you do your job, which is to take in the criticism and LEARN from it...maybe you could be one of the people to restore this section to it's former glory and make amazing pictures with a snap of your fingers.
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Sorry no criticism for this man's fine piece of shit.
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From what I'm seeing, you're using a bit too much bloom around the eyes (I was never an HDR/Bloom fan anyway). Posing is OK.
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you're overreacting
stop trying to get attention the argument was civilized and between me and dgg
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No bro, just stating the facts.
The argument mainly consisted of you whining about how dgg was criticising your work and dgg destroying you with his well-formed points.
If you wanted the argument to remain between you and dgg, you should've done it via PMs.
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we already have, on steam. sorry to burst your bubble, no more arguments
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Kinda raped with, well, everything. But i like that style.
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So what, everyone was posting essays so i didn't want to stand out.
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Did you whine on Steam, just with more name-calling?
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yes, i'm an absolutely stone minded idiot who can't notice reason in good reasoning, and i'm a kid who is unable to rationalize between points made in arguments
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