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I'm not sure this is the right board to post...
I need to find someone that can develop a few short videos with hospital scenes for a demo I'm putting together for a training application at school.
This is a paid gig. I'd appreciate any sort of leads to somebody who you think would be interested in a thing like this.
The videos would include scenes such as:
-Doctors walking
-Doctors talking to patients
-Nurses reaching for equipment or props
-Doctors manipulating instruments (for example, applying an injection to a patient, or securing IV)
-Nurse talking to other nurse in a desk, then going to another room.
-A few different rooms should be setup with equipment (I'd provide that if needed, but any library that's remotely relevant would work)
-Doctor preparing some equipment on a table (not too detailed)
-Doctor reaching for a drug in a cabinet...
...and a few more things like this...
I'd really appreciate your [paid] help or any ideas or pointers you might have.
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cool but here are some problems:
Doctors talking to patients. not verry typical but it is possible with faceposing. may take a while
i have not seeen any "good" Nurse models
Manipulating instruments.....may look bad. Unless fncypnts, DasBoschitt, or the like will take your offer I doubt it tough
i wont do this for you.
it will take alot of time and effort to do this
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I suppose we could cut some corners, and fake some of the talking, it wouldn't have to be lip syncing proper...
I need an approximation, and I'm flexible in terms of what can be done.
... and like I said... I'll pay for your time.
If not here, I'd also appreciate any leads to other forums/people that might be able to pull something like this off.
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how much money?
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also why don't you make it your self, why should we cheat for you so you can get into a medical school/training
I rather have the guy who is saving my life or in the medical field get there with OUT cheating.
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That doesn't make any sense
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Hes asking us to do his work.
Be he teacher or student, we shouldn't help him...
UNLESS the pay is really really good.
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Let me clarify:
I run a design studio, and also teach design at a university.
I'm designing a training game, for doctors and nurses.
I need to make a demo of this game.
I think gmod is a good way to do it
The game involves sequences like the ones described in my previous post
I have no skills to develop this myself, that's why I'm seeking skilled people to do it.
I'm willing to pay a fair fee (per project or by the hour) to make it worth your while.
I don't think there's any cheating involved here, but what do I know...
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why would you make a trail/teaser/demo for a game using a engine that is unrelated, its like... If the crysis engine was used for a half life 2 teaser....
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I just need to show other people the game potential.
If you have a better idea of how to show scenes like the one I described, animated... I'd certainly appreciate your leads. Gmod seemed to be a nice solution. You don't agree?
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The foundations of 'work' throughout time have been based off of profit on other people's effort.
Do you think Bill Gates coded Windows 7? No, but he seems to get a lot of credit for it...
Seems like an excellent opportunity. You could either do what your doing already for free, or get paid for it.
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I grab a camera, and film it in RL.
All I can say, is you will get people who will take you up on the offer, but look into their videos first so it dosn't end up being a 5 minute video with a hud showing and horrible quality and you end up paying for that.
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what's RL?
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oh, real life. Well, that shows me that either you are completely clueless or you are teasing with me...
oh, how much fun. you should do this professionally.
oh shit, wait...
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In that sense, you are right. I'll make sure I don't hire someone blind.
But as far as I can see, you can't make a ragdoll walk, which seems to be a pretty big limitation...
any ideas on how else to make a game teaser that involves some animation? should I bite the bullet and do it in 3dsmax or blender?? seems like a huge task, i'm looking to cut some corners.
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using the camera stool and the NPC control tools isn't that hard..
You are better off doing it your self and learning how to make a gmod machinma, you will save money too.
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Jesus Scout, get off this man's back, he wants to make a machinima and wants actors, he would be considered the director, honestly mayte, such useless post's.
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I just gave him a suggestion to save his ass money, so he dosn't end up having someone doing it and get a 5 minute video on construct with the hud showing.
but ill do it for free if he youtube with credits me.
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He doesn't CARE about the money, and he probably doesn't want to spend an enormous amount of time learning how to make a decent machinima. Why would you do it for free if there is money to be had?
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He probably won't be using garrysmod more then this one time, it'd be useless to fill his brain up with information from a game he may or may not play
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I didn't know you could read his mind.
for the best economic and best out come he should do it himself, he can go read a few guides.
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Scout, you are so wrong here that you have vaulted over the border between wrong and absurd. Gmod is an awesome prototyping tool.
I can sort of figure out your principles by reading the many stands you have already taken in this thread (listed below), but which REALLY apply here?
"Work hard do it yourself"?
"Watch out or someone will do a shitty job of it"?
"I wont help you cheat your way through medical school"?
"Its dishonest to use hl2 engine to make a proof of concept video for something"?
"This is a project to be done with traditional video"?
I think you need to back off, or better yet, make the video like you threatened!!!
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Thank you bigjb...
I still need to prototype my game....
I haven't seen anybody willing to do it. Anybody has other ideas on how to prototype a game other than with gmod?? (or shooting real life (????)
I'd rather go further than screenshots (for screenshots I could do it myself, although I have no time, and I'd rather pay someone for that, too)
But as far as I can see, ragdolls can't walk (except in VERY clowny ways)
Thank you!
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I honestly suggest going screenshot.
It be cheaper, quicker, easier, and better outcome.
I think you got the wrong idea how videos work so please just stop.
Theres like 10 of these request threads every year, someone asking for us to do this and that, the idea guy.
your like him with money.. funny thing is half the people on this forum can't even work for the money due to the fact they are underage and wouldn't have a bank account/paypal.
In the 3-4 years ive been browsing this forum, ive seen some crazy requests, some ones you think would work, some were people offer money, much like you, and not one single one of them worked/got off the ground.
I be looking for alternatives if i was you, your in the wrong place for requests.
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Thank you ScoutKing. I see you have a good point. Any suggestions of other forums/tools that could get me a bit behind screenshots? maybe other gmod forums of older, more "work oriented" people?
In any case, it's been fun browsing around this forum.
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just go one page back, ta-da your in the screenshot forum, alot more people post there.
Movies take longer then stills, and most people who do screenshots (no offense to anyone who does) usually seems bored and will probably take you up on the job.
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I'll try that, thanks.
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Good job on driving away paid opportunities from the Gmod community ScoutKing -- very entrepreneurial of you.
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I'm sorry, but if this guy ever uses Gmod to prototype a game, it's likely to be extremely different from the final result, and as such the demo video will not be valid
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get down to reality.
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Why does ScoutKing ALWAYS get in discussions with other people?
I personally agree with Scout almost every time, he's being realistic, and reasonable.
He's probably one of the most helpful members in GMod discussion, never criticize without any reason.
He's trying to help this guy, by suggesting he does it himself, to spare some money.
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Most people get their cars oil changed by someone else. Could this job be done yourself? Of course it can, its not very complicated, however, given the choice between spending the effort to do the job, or paying someone a modest fee, people usually pay someone to do it.
ScoutKing, I don't know how old you are, but I'm sure you aren't to the point of financial security. In your 'reality', the value of a dollar is much higher because you either don't make much, or don't make at all, therefore you are more inclined to do a thing yourself if you have the means. Brainjuice has the means to make a Gmod video, anyone has the means, however, Brainjuice's time is obviously worth more than the money he is willing to give you. Maybe you don't understand this concept yet, but this is called capitalism; he is willing to give you a monetary prize for your labor.
-This is fine, in fact, its more than fine, it's how anything gets done in the world!-
However, you told Brainjuice that (with the assumption that he has your same value for money), that it would be better if he did it himself. What you didn't tell him is that it takes X amount of effort and time. Do you know his situation? Do you know his level of computer literacy? Of course not, because you didn't bother asking. You assumed that he understands gaming environments nearly as well as you do, and that he would be able to create screenshots (which is not what he wanted) fairly quickly. Given the proper amount of time to acclimate yourself to Gmod can take a while as there is no other game like it, but putting a novice in this place takes even longer.
To make matters worse, you've also driven away a potential business opportunity (hense the entrepreneurial comment). Imagine if you did make a video for Brainjuice and were paid for it. Now imagine if this video got used like he said it would and it made a great impression on the viewers to the point where they wanted a video of their own. What do you think would happen next? Do you think they'll come to this site and learn how to make their own if they have the means to pay instead? Of course not. Its easier to pay someone when you have money to pay with.
Also, please read the above before you reply...
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Gunnanmon stop bitching and do the movie for him, a gmod prototype is a horrible idea.
Horrible idea, horrible request, unrealistic.
If i have driven away the business opportunity that easy, then your business was a pretty shitty one.
Go to machinma.com and suck them off if you want to make money for this hobby. Or go take this guy up on his offer.
You bring up the point do I know his level of computer literacy, well he is designing a fucking game for it.. I expect him to know some basics, if he can't prototype his own game... then..
I know what capitalism is, but this guy... his request is so.. unrealistic its hard to take him seriously, you talk about business, but you don't think correctly about business, you don't start working for someone on a idea in a field that is horrible for business idea's.
I mean again.. its sad a guy who is making his game, cant even figure out how to prototype the game, thats why I doubt he actually pay you or has the money.
Now if it was some guy who had his shit in order, made it clear whats he doing, and didn't contradict himself then that be a great opportunity.
again according to you he has low computer literacy... but hes making his OWN fucking game... thats like writing a book when you can't read...
Hes gone now, go pm him if you want it, but stop your bitching all your doing is extending a flame inferno.
Reality, come to terms with it.
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I couldn't have said it better myself.
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Oh my Jesus you make a lot of assumptions. I give up on you.
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hey you assumed first, you know what assume= Ass out of me and you.
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Scoutking, that's just flat-out disrespectful. You say he's designing a game? Where did he say that? If he can't even make a video, do you think he's making a game? I would assume that he is paying another person to code a game, but then again you assumed that he isn't, so that's completely invalid.
You also say "but this guy... his request is so.. fucking stupid and awful its hard to take him seriously"
Okay, you do not EVER disrespect a new member in the community. What you did there was just fucking wrong, and you should be ashamed for it. You treat EVERYONE seriously, no matter who they are. If they have a request, you treat it like a request, you don't act like it's anything out of the ordinary. He did not ask much, literally some easy animating and posing. I've found nurse/doctor models.
And you told him to go to the Screenshots thread, as people are 'bored' there, or something. What makes them any different than us? You're making the entire video section look like a bunch of up-tight assholes, and that's NOT who we are.
If anything, you're the one being unrealistic here, and you're very difficult to take seriously, as your opinions are driving people out. Stop it, you're making yourself and everyone around you look bad.
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he said "My game" implies its his, just like i say "my videos" I am implying they are mine and that i made them.
hes not a new member, well literally he is, but he didn't join the community to stay, he joined to get your labor for a idea that would fall flat on its face (writing a book when you can't read).
hes a fast food customer, your the waiter, im tired of these stupid ass request from
"I need a movia masta :P"
to "I need you to prototype my OWN game because I cant even though i am making the game"
Hes the idea guy with not a solid idea.
I suggested he go to the screenshot forum, because there are ALOT more people who do screen shots then movies thus he has a higher % to get the job done quicker/cheaper, and have a better outcome.
But fumples if you feel what he is asking is reasonable, that he will pay you, his idea is good, and prototyping in gmod for a medical game because he cant when he is making the game i may add is a good idea, then do it.
You drove him away just as much as i did by not taking his request.
Like max said, a garrys mod prototype be horrible, but then again maybe it is a good idea, maybe you should do it for him fumples. (just keep the camera still this time ok bud)
I gave him advice, he took it, you guys bitched, I pointed out why this path he was trying to take is flawed, you guys brawl some more. Cry me a river.
"Okay, you do not EVER disrespect a new member(hes only here for your work) in the community."
Yes din mother.
fucking was bad wording but it conveyed the message.
I conveyed my opinion that this is a bad idea and pointed out why it is a good idea, and supplied evidence/reason.
All you done is bitched how im running him out of the community, Im showing him the right way so he can prototype his game correctly.
he can take my advice or not, you can too, he chose my advice over the others so that dose say something.
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Fumples didn't me and you have a argument much like this.. were a certain someone (you) felt like taking a leap or a unrealistic challenge/job/project, I told you the truth, it probably wouldn't work, that it will probably fall flat on its face...
I never... really.. saw that project get finished... didn't it get abandoned within a week?
I mean I feel like im telling you that somethings not going to work, you blindly refute it, and then fails days later.
Fumples we have had this argument before, let it end before history repeats, and before another project fails.
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Yep, sounds like a game to me...
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I though you were done with me? well it seems like the major issue of if its a game or not lies with brainjuice.
thats why i think the request is bull, he changes what it is mid thread. Training application from game.
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I'm sorry my request fired an argument. Thanks all for your thoughts anyways.
To clarify: the trailer/teaser/prototype is for a TRAINING GAME. That is, a game that's meant more for training than for entertainment. But that's besides the point really. I'm not asking you guys what you think of my idea (otherwise I'd describe it, wouldn't I?)
I am not a programmer, I can't code my way out of a shoebox, or use gmod beyond very basic stuff. I would like to hire someone to do it for me instead. I do it constantly for lots of stuff. Graphic design, Interface design, programming of many sorts... I came here because I could see your work online and I could skip the "please show me your portfolios" stage.... sigh.
ScoutKing says he doesn't think that gmod is the right tool for this. After watching some your videos and seeing the available props (like http://www.garrysmod.org/downloads/?tag=scrubs , I'm inclined to think it is (despite the clear limitation of not being able to have ragdolls walk).
This is a serious offer. A freelance gig, that can lead to other freelance gigs, providing the quality, responsiveness and communication work fine the first time. If you guys want me to prove that I'm for real before we start, I'll gladly do it.
I'm looking for help in other forums/communities (still gmod) but still open if any of you would like to give this a try. I'd hate to have to do stills instead...
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Questiononia: who is coding the game? you word it as if you are coding it. In your OP, the question is really, what is your relation to the training game project? I mean the mistakes you make.. seems shady...
also you should be clear with how much money, that will probably make what your doing go quicker.
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