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Well this thread went south quick.
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Young Earth Creationism isn't based on any logic at all, you blithering fool.
It's based on tons of illogical unscientific deductions and special pleading to crowbar the events in the Bible into being literal historical fact. YECs have to disregard almost every field of science in order to justify their beliefs.
I also like how you obviously didn't read my post. "Nobody forced garry to put Rust on Steam" except popular demand sort of DID. The forum was being hit with thousands of idiots even dumber than you every month demanding Rust be on Steam because they wanted to play it. It was creating an ongoing disruption to the forum community (~40,000 users) and was increasing in intensity. You weren't here for any of that, you registered after the Steam launch.
That is precisely the reason I wrote all of that out for you, and you don't even have the basic respect to read it thoroughly and understand my arguments before posting more babby whining. I'm done with you.
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Because it wasn't. It was NOT put on steam with as primary reason to garner money.
This is easily the most flawed logic I've seen on Facepunch since I registered. My god.
No. Just no. The whole point of Early Access is to get a lot of feedback in earlier stages of development and build the game together with the fanbase/community.
Example: Why do designers sell early prototypes? To test their product while in the meantime covering production/development costs.
I cannot believe you are STILL going on about this "hobby" thing. You misinterpreted the expression "hobbyist at heart". This has nothing to do with a lazy or non-professional attitude. It means they're doing what they love doing even in their free-time, it states how passionate they are about the game. That's something GOOD.
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I have the fortunate position of being a(n MMO) game developer and the owner of a game studio. Our game studio has a number of staff and has been published for some years now.
Developing your own game within your self-funded game studio is slightly different than working under one of the big publishers, like EA or Ubisoft. We don't have deadlines. We don't have a roadmap. We have a development map of what we want to add and change - but it doesn't have set dates against them.
Clearly, my definition (as a game developer) and your definition (as someone who takes the dictionary definition) of what this so-called 'hobby-development' is differs. It means we cherish the freedom we have. We aren't bottom-tier developers answering to black-tie executives pushing a release date. We don't have set deadlines we have to adhere to or face punishment from the publishers.
We have a rough outline (the development map) of what our plans are. Features will be re-prioritised. Features will be released, sometimes re-written and sometimes removed. You cannot do that in the AAA environment. The development timescale is set before the project begins, and failure to adhere to that leads to punishment.
This is what Garry was referring to as taking a hobbyist approach to development, not treating Facepunch/Rust as a hobby.
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There are only 2 parts to the definition of a hobby:
- Done in leisure time
- Done for pleasure
Your argument is they are treating it as a hobby (even though the like was "hobbyist at heart").
We already know that they work on Rust many hours a day, not just leisurely.
And you have agreed that enjoying their work is acceptable.
So what exactly is your definition of "treating it as a hobby"?
(which again IS NOT what garry said, it is YOUR interpretation)
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You're the blithering fool. Logic is different for everyone. Logic doesn't have to be based in fact. My example is utterly illogical in your opinion and mine as well, but it's logical in their opinion.Young Earth Creationism isn't based on any logic at all, you blithering fool. It's based on tons of illogical unscientific deductions and special pleading to crowbar the events in the Bible into being literal historical fact. YECs have to disregard almost every field of science in order to justify their beliefs.
I also like how you obviously didn't read my post. "Nobody forced garry to put Rust on Steam" except popular demand sort of DID. The forum was being hit with thousands of idiots even dumber than you every month demanding Rust be on Steam because they wanted to play it. It was creating an ongoing disruption to the forum community (~40,000 users) and was increasing in intensity. You weren't here for any of that, you registered after the Steam launch.
That is precisely the reason I wrote all of that out for you, and you don't even have the basic respect to read it thoroughly and understand my arguments before posting more babby whining. I'm done with you.
Some people think it's logical to have an underwind on the toilet paper dispenser. Others (myself) think it's more logical to have an overwind. Just because you disagree with one thought, doesn't make you the dictator of logic.
As some people have been busting out dictionary definitions, I will as well.
log·ic
noun \ˈlä-jik\
: a proper or reasonable way of thinking about or understanding something
: a particular way of thinking about something
: the science that studies the formal processes used in thinking and reasoning
Take note of the bolded type. Again, I state: Logic doesn't have to be based in fact.
I wish I didn't have to keep repeating myself in order for you to understand a very clear point, but it appears that I must.
I read it and you're point is still completely inaccurate and downright stupid. You're implying that Garry doesn't have free will. Due to people demanding game codes, Garry was compelled to release Rust via Steam. I pity you if you still believe that's the reason he did it.
Again, using your logic that no one held a gun to my head to buy the game, wouldn't you agree that no one held a gun to Garry's head to release via Steam?
Well, I'm sorry our breakup couldn't be amicable.
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Loath as I am to respond to you at all, I must inform you that logic is not different for everyone. Perhaps you should educate yourself about what logic actually is before you make more silly statements such as this one. Even the definition that you emboldened does not imply that logic can be different for different people.
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That definition most certainly does imply logic can be different. You shouldn't need another definition from a different source, but apparently you do:
logic
[loj-ik]
Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin
noun
1.
the science that investigates the principles governing correct or reliable inference.
2.
a particular method of reasoning or argumentation:
We were unable to follow his logic.
3.
the system or principles of reasoning applicable to any branch of knowledge or study.
4.
reason or sound judgment, as in utterances or actions:
There wasn't much logic in her move.
5.
convincing forcefulness; inexorable truth or persuasiveness:
the irresistible logic of the facts.
6.
Computers. logic circuit.
particular
[per-tik-yuh-ler, puh-tik-]
Synonyms
Examples
Word Origin
adjective
1.
of or relating to a single or specific person, thing, group, class, occasion, etc., rather than to others or all; special rather than general:
one's particular interests in books.
2.
immediately present or under consideration; in this specific instance or place:
Look at this particular clause in the contract.
3.
distinguished or different from others or from the ordinary; noteworthy; marked; unusual:
She sang with particular warmth at last evening's concert.
4.
exceptional or especial:
Take particular pains with this job.
5.
being such in an exceptional degree:
a particular friend of mine.
6.
dealing with or giving details, as an account or description, of a person; detailed; minute.
7.
exceptionally selective, attentive, or exacting; fastidious; fussy:
to be particular about one's food.
Perhaps you should educate yourself before you respond.
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This thread has devolved into pointless arguments over definitions of words. So lame...
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Logic itself doesn't change regardless of the situation. One can say that his logic was hard to follow, or that her logic was flawless, but the concept of logic is the same in both scenarios. Logic can't actually be different for different people.
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This discussion went from the dev blog to Christianity.
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Well alot of people follow Rust's development progress religiously...
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nah, i'd say its pretty fucking stupid to believe that Satan planted Dino bones. Everyone has their own sense of logic. Some one who is "logical" can believe "illogical" idea. e.i: earth is 6k years old.
also, i think you meant "you choose to believe". ?
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and i think we can call this officially derailed...
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This might have something to do with A.James's stance in this.
"Mount Horeb is the Troll Capital of the World "
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Is Father Christmas real?
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no.
*edit*
and you are adopted.
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Funny thing is.. all this kids / retards that dont understand, will be playing rust 24/7 when game gets finished / close to.
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So much revisionist history, assumptions, and apparent mind reading in that post, but this might be the worst of it. I don't know where you got the fact that developing Minecraft had anything to do with his marriage failing (much less it was caused by all the demanding players, oh my!), but he didn't bail out and sell Minecraft because of all the 'demanding players.' He sold for $2 Billion other reasons. He wasn't even an active developer on Minecraft anymore, having given up the reigns a while ago.
If Garry didn't want Rust to get popular, he had a funny way of handling it, putting it on Stream being the most obvious example.
"coding in a spotlight is nerve-wracking."
Is it? According to whom?
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OK.
All my Steam friends were playing it. Popular demand sort of forced me.
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Neat learned something.
Loathe: "to hate"
Loath: "unwilling or reluctant"
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