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Personally would like to say I do not hack but apparently everyone in the world thinks I do this video does look like I have no recoil,but percisive positioning and mouse movements + luck clearly can cause this there are 2 versions and u can see the gun move when I adjust to the 2nd kill but I am not a hacker that is all.
I had a Silenced mp5 - less recoil (9 years of online fps) I stop shooting between targets which resets the gun
From my twitch http://www.twitch.tv/rbzero0/c/4674297 4:40 is when im " no recoiling"
His video edit of his fail mp5 recoil control https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwKrksTLKg0
<--- slowing it down makes it look more bs but you can see the gun jump but its harder
http://www.twitch.tv/rbzero0/b/548677785 <-- video to prove I don't hack
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There is also input from the server's community about the video here, feel free to provide your input if you have an opinion!
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This reminds me of the video trausi posted of a streamer no recoiling. Looks extremely similar
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Actually this one looks even more convincing
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100% hacks. 0 movement, 0 recoil horizontal and vertical. It's very very easy to see here even easier than in Grimmy's highlight.
Let's see if we can get your channel banned too ^_^.
Dummy, recording cheats on stream.
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Just stop Zero, you just embarrass yourself everywhere you go
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You think OP would at least be smart enough not to stream himself cheating.
That video to me is 100% convincing that you have either one of two things, 1) A no recoil hack or 2) Mouse or other software that controls recoil. While 1 is definitely cheating I would consider 2 on the same level as a mouse/key macro, legit but really lame. Either way your recoil is not normal, period.
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I seriously still pissing myself because of this guy's stupidity. I looked him up on steam and he has almost 1K hours of Rust too LOL
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Everything he does is so intelligent. First he streams no recoil then tries to dispute his ban by posting on the main rust forums so his ban is known past that one server. lol. Gj guy hope everyone else adds you to their ban list.
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Agree with the admin on this one after watching the footage
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100% agreed on this one. doesn't move a millimeter, especially at 4:40. IMO this is not controlled recoil, but probably a no-recoil hack. good luck.
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Too bad the silencer doesn't affect recoil in rust http://playrustwiki.com/wiki/Changelog#09.08.13
That is from 2013 and they haven't revert the change according to the changelog (unless the changelog is full of shit)
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Please do get banned. Was 95% sure it was no recoil, then he slowed it down. 100% no recoil. Sorry pal.
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Oh again 9 years of FPS experience and yada yada yada , be sure many of us here might have played even more than that but it doesn't matter , you might just be using a mouse macro but that's not an excuse ,instead of learning how to shoot on your own you use the macros to help yourself ,just close that streaming channel , remove the macros and then play again. I don't understand how games can even be fun when you cheat(yes , doing that is still cheating but it just won't get you banned)
as knifey pointed out , 4:40 - that's too damn obvious and you were that stupid to actually keep it activated that long .
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rb | n0va reporting in. Havent touched this game in a while.
but I CAN tell you guys that zero is legit.
I pulled off the same thing on multiple occasions in my montage.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AHBrru7I_ss
The MP5's recoil is significantly easier to control. if you look closely at his video, his gun still slightly sways left, right, and up. It wasn't completely laser beaming.
Like I said in my tutorial, recoil control may often look like what seems to be no recoil on video.
Especially since the guy he was shooting was so close to him and standing perfectly still and not even shooting back, of course he will hit every shot and it will look like no recoil.
IF YOU REALLY want to debunk this the way I see it, watch his stream footage again very closely. Now Pretend as if the guy he was shooting did not exist, and his bullets would go straight to the wall.
It isn't hard to tell that the bullet-holes in the wall would be generally scattered about. A cheater on the other hand would completely laserbeam and have all the shots in one area.
As a matter of fact, this particular recoil control was slightly flawed. Zero's mp5 went up a little bit while shooting the guy. However, the guy was so close to zero that the recoil control did not even need to be perfect to hit every shot.
To further explain this "illusion" look at my tutorial starting from 1:52.. Now instead of me shooting the wall, pretend there was an enemy in my sights instead of a wall. It will SURELY surely 500% look like I have absolutely no recoil
http://youtu.be/Iz83G11smSE?t=1m52s
You guys can speculate all you want, but the stream footage does not even come close to demonstrating a no recoil hack.
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Why would you even ask us if we think you're hacking on something as obvious as this? Do you think stating yourself as being legit suddenly makes you legit? So blatent that it is laughable.
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hope u get banned
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N0va just because you play/played together it doesn't mean you have to back him up . In your "no recoil" video you still have some recoil as much as you try to hold it , he has literally none for several seconds after 4:40 when the shooting starts , it's not even flinching once , it's perfectly still .
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Your video isn't even comparable Nova.
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Zero, wasup man. Remember deez. I quit Rust, tired of getting accused of hacks and getting banned every day. Zero is legit, so is n0va.
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nova, i appreciate you trying to help out your mate, but whilst your video has a few tiny patches of similar recoil that i'm not 100% convinced are dodgy, the majority i believe to be well controlled recoil. the gun tries to move, but is compensated for by aim adjustments.
in his clip, i cannot see any recoil at all by the gun(even acknowledging the mp5's lesser recoil). i can see mild changes in the hit reg, but that i attribute purely to his movement and aim, not to recoil; the movements are just too linear. I don't know him, have never played against him, and he might be a legit player, but this clip does not show that to me.
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Is that you Grimmybear?
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I did what you said and there's still no doubt that it's no recoil being used.
The bullet holes in the wall would not be generally scattered about, they will be making a trail that corresponds directly to the movements he made with his mouse.
What you say about someone laserbeaming would have all shots in one area is only true if that person doesn't move his mouse at all. Zero however does move his mouse around to follow his enemy's movements.
For example where he goes for the second guy and move towards the head while spraying, the bullet holes in the wall will be a "clear straight line" rather than "a vague path with bullets being close to his line of aim".
I know you're trying to protect a friend but now I'm asking YOU to debunk this the way everyone else sees it and I'm quite sure you'll get to the same conclusion that he has no recoil on his mp5 in the video.
Cheers
Edit: Sigh.... I cannot believe this honestly but... I just watched your video and there's a few clips where you have 0 horizontal recoil aka horizontal sway. Most obvious example in my opinion is at 1:54 where your M4 clearly has no horizontal sway. This is impossible to control due to it being random recoil that you can't control through practice and muscle memory.
Btw don't bore me with "I played CS:GO for thousands of hours therefore I can control it in Rust" because the horizontal sway in CS:GO is a fixed pattern that can be remembered through muscle memory and therefore predicted and compensated for. This is not the case in Rust.
You might not be as blatant as your buddy but damn dude hope you get banned all the same.
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Just because you show us material of you NOT using cheats doesn't mean you aren't cheating in the video you posted before. Grimmy tried that approach too and it makes you both look really stupid.
Edit: For the record, no you're not using your no recoil cheats in the video that you posted on the WWOFR forum.
This makes it all the more easy for people to compare that video with the one on the starterpost of this thread and deduce that you did use cheats in that one :)
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That sums it up
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"replicate the situation" Yeah you did replicate the situation and if you can't see the difference in the two videos you seriously need to get your eyesight checked because the difference is night and day.
The reason you didn't get VAC banned yet is because you're either really lucky or you're using a third party plugin or hardware tools (I know there are mice out there that have this) to get rid of horizontal sway. These are undetectable by VAC, sadly.
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Pretty sure that's a typo, probably meant to say "All I know is I dont hack/cheat"
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It probably was, doesn't take the humor away from it. Seems he's too flustered to control his fingers at the moment.
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Yes and I'm comparing that to this, which you posted in your thread post: http://www.twitch.tv/rbzero0/c/4674297
Obvious difference, obvious cheating
I mean it doesn't get more clear than that, thank you for helping out on that :')
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i'm not going to post in the other forum, but i'll happily keep up to date by reading that one too.
watched both videos a few times. the first one looks legit; you have decent recoil control as a whole. the second is less so. there are times that you have what appears to be legitimate recoil when firing from the hip, but a lot of your "examples" are far too...linear? they are too neat, and not randomized. the spread of the rounds is mostly from your movement, and it appears you are intentionally trying to simulate spread by not aiming in the one place. i'm debating it being a mouse with a no-recoil toggle, but honestly couldn't tell the difference between that and software that could be toggled. regardless, it seems suspicious, and "feels" wrong. couldn't explain that much better than i have...sorry:)
also, please remember that you asked "our" collective opinion, regardless of whether you enjoy it or not. try not to take it personally, i personally don't have a clue who you are, or what kind of player you normally are. but based on the first video provided, i find the lack of recoil suspicious, and would support someone banning you based on that.
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Myeah his examples that look too linear.. it's mainly because he's so incredibly close range with the walls that the holes coincide due to their size. It's easier to see when he uses the holosight coz you see the holosight jump up relative to the scenery.
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Dude it proves nothing. It says nothing about the clip in which you clearly do cheat. You just turned off your no-recoil, whatever process on your computer that may be and recorded you showing you have recoil.
It's like saying you didn't hit someone with a baseball bat yesterday because today you don't have a baseball bat with you. Doesn't make sense
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i can agree with that:)
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IS THIS REAL LIFE?
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what can i say mate, i stick to my opinions, but it doesn't mean i'm always unreasonable:)
look i appreciate you say that, but you asked our opinions on the video, and we gave them.
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