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Post #1Hey, in the normal rust version (non-experimental) I tried to connect to a server and it failed and then I see in the console "Facepunch_Connector_VAC_Banned". I'm only VAC banned on some games but not Rust, and connecting to other servers works. What is this? The IP of the server I was connecting to is 188.138.16.140:28415
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You can't be VAC banned on just one server. Take a screenshot of you in a different server with a time-stamp and post it here.
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Random server:
The weird VAC ban server (there are a lot of people playing on it...)
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Link your steam?
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It's running custom plugins, so it's likely that someone's figured out how to get a plugin to return the VAC banned message.
And this matters because, months ago, people began writing plugins that check if you have any VAC bans and block you from the server if you do, on the basis that you cheated before and Rust is easily hacked in right now.
I'm not offering my own opinion on these plugins, but they exist.
http://steamcommunity.com/id/kokole
Since your last ban barely predates the first Rust VAC wave, it seems you may be telling the truth. What did you get VAC'd in? What two titles did you earn those with? I'm guessing TF2 is one of them, based on your first post.
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TF2 because I had Cheat Engine opened and MW3. Why would I lie anyway. I also think that people shouldn't be allowed to write such plugins because I had to pay to play this game and VAC bans from other games shouldn't matter at all, and I'm actually not hacking on Rust because I'm enjoying it without hacks.
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There is your answer. Cheaters get VAC banned. If you cheat in one game, that makes you a cheater. Therefore you should get banned. Problem solved.
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Hello
This is my server. When you have VAC ban in any game you cant join the server.
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Yea I agree with Elix on this one... Those bans are pretty old, it's probably just a server plugin that's forcing you to DC because you have VACs on your account.
EDIT: Ninja'd, and there you have it. It's a plugin. Just go to another server. And might I recommend not cheating anymore?
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what is learning from ones mistakes for $500
which is unbelievably dumb
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The server owner decides who gets to play and who doesn't. If you don't like his policies, pick another server.
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I sort of agree... On one hand these are pretty old bans so it doesn't seem like it would be that big of a deal. On the other, it is caydee's server so s/he can do whatever they'd like on it.
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That's an unfair generalization. I got VAC banned on my first steam account because I was young and stupid on CS:S. I was lucky the ban didn't carry over to Garry's Mod. Since then the closest things I've done to cheating were money glitches on GTA:O. VAC bans only affected me in two games yet it still got me to stop cheating.
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Hey kid calm down.
213 days are not really long time!
500 days someones ban has to be ago to ignore them and let them join...
Just dont cheat than you have no problem.
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It's their server. They paid for it, they can set the rules. You don't have the right to play on all Rust servers, that's not what you paid for when you bought the game on Steam.
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I run the auto VAC kicker on my server too...you've got a ban and can't be trusted so GTFO of my house and go cheat else where...
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I also run a vac ban kicker/checker on my server however when i see someone trying to join with a vac ban i normally check his steam profile. If i see its a "genuine" account that got vac banned long time ago i try speaking with the person and if i notice he is a nice guy i whitelist him.
*This is a game.. its suposed to be fun,relaxed and enjoyable. Spending a few minutes talking to the person wont really kill you lol. I rather have a guy with a vac ban on my server that learned his lesson and its a nice guy than a douchebag with 300 games that think he's the king of the server.
Also if you have active admins + a good pack of plugins your server is pretty much stress-free for both users and admins. Your only problem would be admin abuse.
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I also ban every player with a vac ban. Too many times of getting burned by giving them a chance and i'll catch them glitching or cheating. My playerbase enjoys the fact that we don't allow them.
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With the sheer magnitude of servers just pick another one mate.
That said if more owners start to use VAC autokicks then it may become an issue.
"I used to cheat but you can trust me now" doesn't really inspire a lot of faith.
Peoples pasts are coming back to haunt them oOOOooOOOoooOoOOOO
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People don't change much, especially with the Anonymity of the internet, I don't see anything dumb about blocking people banned on other games.
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Saying people shouldn't be able to make plug-ins like this is like saying companies shouldn't be able to make doorlocks for houses.
Saying it's dumb that people don't want ex-cheaters on their servers is also like saying people are dumb for not wanting ex-cons living with them.
STFU and GTFO. They paid for the server, it's their way or the highway.
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F cheaters.
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Things like this bug me, because when I was a little kid I did hack and ended up getting VAC banned
http://steamcommunity.com/id/insight-arem/
"2885 day(s) since last ban "
I even got banned when valve would release the VAC ban after 6 years or what ever it was. Contacted them and they completely ignored me.
Considering his vac ban wasn't even a year ago, that is NOT a long time. Live with what you have done. I some times join servers and some admin views my profile or something and they message "really Insight? vac ban?" and then I get banned from the server...
Luckily my account is ONLY banned for goldsrc stuff, however if people make plugins for it, that can be really quite annoying considering yes I did hack, however I learned my lesson and haven't hacked since, because I am not a stupid kid anymore. Really wish valve would give people some way to remove the vac ban after a certain amount of time, even if it still had something like "vac banned from this date to this date, removed for honorable play" if you haven't been vac banned for a certain amount of time. Doesn't help that their support is complete trash either, like I said, I have opened tickets before they send some generic link that doesnt answer the question I asked and then they close the ticket. Out of everything that valve does, their support is the absolute worst.
Yes it still annoys me, especially when people see my vac ban and think that I am still a hacking idiot, its been 2885 days... that is a long time.
Now, if valve suddenly make it so if you have a VAC ban and you can't play any games on your account, that is not going to go well for me. I don't think they would do that, but their support sucks period any way so who knows.
For idiots like this, it really makes it difficult, because they don't care how long ago you cheated, you will always be viewed as a cheater. Well news for you, everyone cheats at some point, I bet lots of the people who have even say they hate cheaters, have looked up hacks and used hacks in games where they have no anti cheat, like warz before the updates.
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Who makes a VAC banning plugin that has no upper limit? That's just stupid.
Our server bans people with VAC bans within the last 365 days. So if you hacked a year or longer ago, we'll allow you on. Everything else is overkill.
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Dont bother. Most of those servers that bans for everything are not even worth joining.If they cant detect a guy hacking on their server they are simply not skilled or prepared enough. Any mature server admin would talk to you and try to understand your situation before doing anything. The problem with rust is that the community is getting way too much toxic. Even the forum is getting way too much toxic :|.
In your position the first thing i would do when joining a server would get to know the admins and have a chit-chat with them. There are a couple of servers i visited so far that the admins are extremely nice mature and skilled. The rest.. well..
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Does it really bug you that out of the thousands of servers available to play on, there is a handful that won't let you play because they don't want cheaters, whether current or former, on their server? It's their server, there are plenty more that don't care. If that's how they want it run, let it go.
Also, you're wrong, not everybody cheats. I've never cheated on a game whether it's SP only or online multiplayer. If I find a server where people that currently cheat are playing, I'll move on. If people are on a server in a similar situation as yours, I probably wont give a fuck because you aren't cheating on the game I'm playing. I'm no server admin though, but I do respect their right to run the server how they want.
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Nope. I have never cheated in an online game.
Lost all respect for you at that point.
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With so many games that have been ruined by hackers, I think you should keep your vac ban status forever. People like you ruin these games for everybody else, and I frankly don't care if you feel like you've been a good boy and deserve it to be removed. Once a cheater alway cheater.
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I said I bet lots of the people who say they hate cheaters have cheated in some way or another or have atleast thought cheating and have looked up cheats before. I wasn't specifically saying you...
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You said, and I quote,
Everyone includes me.TH3_L33T posted:
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Get off your high-horse. He hacked something like 8 years ago. As Jessica says, "You're presented with a general garment and you claim it cut to you fit?" It was a generalization.
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Classic Soviet Russia shit!! "You are rich, I am poor. I take all your things and divide them by poor people like me, thus rendering you poor."
You are opening a deeper than expected (at least by you) discussion, because, even if he had cheated on another game, he still payed for it and payed for Rust as well. So, what's the thing now? You take his money and proceed to ban him from all and any games? You sir, are what I like to denominate as a unwillingly unconscious communist.
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5 people said this post was dumb...I'm willing to bet those 5 cheat and are butthurt because they were caught with their pants down...
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What a stupid concept. "Once a cheater, always a cheater." So because I used a GameShark on my gameboy when I was eight, that means that as an adult 13 years later I am going to cheat? Just because some people aren't rehabilitated by their ban doesn't mean everyone isn't. Applied to real life, that'd mean that prisons are pointless and we should just execute all criminals because "once a criminal always a criminal." Or how about on FacePunch? I joined over four years ago and immediately started shitposting. "Once a shitposter, always a shitposter," I should have been permabanned. But look, I haven't been banned in over 3 years.
Essentially you're generalizing the psychological profiles of every person, when it's been well established that not every person is the same. Some people have the ability to be rehabilitated; some others just need to grow up. I'm not the same person I was 4 years ago, let alone 13 years ago, and I guarantee that L33T isn't the same person he was 8 years ago. People with the "Once a ____, always a ____" mentality are just lazy assholes who don't look at situations on a case-by-case basis.
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There's a such thing as having common sense and the ability to reason.
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Everyone has their own opinion on what a VAC ban means on an account, and how old it has to be before they hold it against the user (if they choose to forgive them at all). This is a personal decision for everyone, and there are valid arguments for multiple sides.
Instead of arguing about the appropriateness of such a plugin, can we just agree that server owners are in charge of their servers' policies and reputations? If a server bans anyone with a VAC ban, that's up to them and it'll be their responsibility to deal with the response they get from their players. Don't play on those servers if you don't like it, there are plenty out there.
It's not as if it's being seriously considered as a vanilla feature.
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When the garment is described as one size fits all, yes.
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If I get banned from a server because I have a vac ban on my account, I don't get angry, I get more disappointed that people aren't willing to look past a ban that happened 8 years ago. I will go play on other servers, if the owner really thinks that a person can't change in 8 years and will is still always hacking, that's their own stupidity. I think it is the server owners fault for having that issue about not being able to think someone can change.
However, I think its Valves fault for not showing ANY leniency at all. VAC bans should have an expiry date, and its not just me saying that because I do want my vac ban to be removed.
Basically I think WastedJamacan explains it perfectly, just because you hacked one a very long time ago, doesn't mean you will always be a hacker. Did you make a stupid choice? Yes, but should that choice follow you for your entire life? No.
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Yes. In real life we call this a Criminal Record.
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Ignorance is not an excuse for cheating. If you cheat, no matter the age, you deserve the mark of shame on your account.
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VAC bans used to be one year long. The recidivism rate was so high they increased it to five years. When that failed to deter cheaters from going right back to their old ways after their bans expired, they made them permanent, and that's the way it has to be.
Cheaters affect the reputation of the entire platform, and that affects all publishers and developers. Valve cannot afford to fuck around with cheaters spoiling the enjoyment of their customers. However, there is also realistically a limit as to how intense your anticheat can get.
My point was, how about we stop arguing and just agree to accept that server owners can make their own decisions, and if they want to be, in the eyes of some, dicks about judging a user by their past sins, that's up to them and they'll be responsible for the results.
Because all this thread has been, for the last 30 posts, has been bickering and arguing over a matter of personal opinion.
Please stop arguing.
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