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Hey if they want to spend $20 every time they get caught cheating on a demo it's all good. Games not even finished. That's the sad part. Some of these guys have re-bought the game 3-4 times.
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And for what? These dudes have like a fraction of the play time other people who don't hack do, and have spent like 3 times as much money. Why bother? Seems like a gigantic pain in the ass just to be able to cheat at an online computer game.
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I can only assume those people have the next three call of duty's already pre-ordered in advanced. So it just means they have so much extra cash to cheat to their fullest.
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Right... As a former Admin of a very populated server I agree yes I have seen my fair share of hackers... As it is in Alpha all we can do to combat it is rely on the Admins.
Now as far as you moaning about being killed all the time... I have built many many many bases in my 800 hours on the game... Yes i get shot, yes i die, yes yes yes to all the ways you end up in a crumpled mess on the floor... I have ended with bases full of stuff... had everything you could craft and alsorts... now if you cant even get a hut in 2 weeks you are not very good at surviving are you?... Like mentioned above.. Play checkers
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The louder and harder you demand people behave a certain way, the more effort they will invest in doing the polar opposite. If the server is crap, find another one, if people are breaking down your front door, move into the hills, or steep coastal real estate, because your current "street" is too close to "Iraq", so move already.
The game frustrates the crap out of me some days, but once you have a nicely hidden base somewhere out of harms way, you can work toward building the mega base from hell, that will take too much C4 to be viable to raid. Rust is a game of increments. Start small, move up, moving often, and spreading your gear around several locations, so no single raid can wipe you out.
This is the best advice I can offer you to remedy these woes.
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Well i did the new server thing and what do you know... IT GOT WIPED... lol. I had a 2.x.2 house with a metal door. Crafting station ( all of them ) resources.. all gone :)
Well i log back in start doing my thing avoiding anyone ( only saw 2 people ) building my resources / making my base items... foundation walls etc.
Then i notice chat... people cursing and getting hot under the collar.. what do you know... KOS has begun. It seems that alot of the players on are just killing people on site for no reason. People being total douchebags and of course laughing in chat about it... go figure.. any how.
So i made sure to stay the hell away from anyone. Am off the road in the mountains going to head out ... not before checking the landscape for players.. ok all clear.. killing red bears / wolfs with my bow gathering materials and then my screen shakes red all over ... some douchebag is shoting me in the back... lol.
Lost all my supplise... about 2hr worth of gathering wood / metal / etc. Only thing i still have are the blue prints i got of the red mobs because i click on them.
The server pop used to be 20 its now over 60 and it looks like things have gotten worst.... like people have found out about the wipe and migrated there. So am going to wait until its late in the morning and try again.. if its the same bs am going to go find a new server.
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Well thank you for the advice.
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First off Mr/ Mrs Admin thanks for your constructive thoughts but let me school you some. I had shelters.. i had shelters with metal doors i had a 2x2 shelter ( last server ) with a metal door and that was the only one where no one bothered me. But the server was Reset .. house gone.
My thing is this.. you avoid people ... you back away from them or run off a bit and they kill you. You stand your ground and pull out your hatchet / rock and you get gun down.
I can understand dying to someone using a Hatchet / rock but getting blow away without even having a chance to fight back is the annoying shit to me. And having players acting like they want to help you when they run into only to have them shot you because they know you cant kill them in their Kevlar with their automatic guns.
I understand thats how the game is but look at this server that just got reset today.. I got gun down already.. lol. The server has only been up for what a little over an hr. Is what it is.
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Because to them the kick they get out of it is the griefing part. But am being told to go play something else or you must suck at the game. The new server i was on was amazing last night. It reset today and 1hr later people are clipping off gun shots like crazy. 1hr after a WIPE. Some thing am not getting. How did they get the blue prints that fast / materials / furnace to make guns and bullets.. that fast. /shrug
But i try to avoid them and like today i get gun down again.. lol ... It is what it is
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You do know that there is an aim bot hack right ?
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I just feel that they are able to get guns way to fast in this game. Hell some of them are running around with C4. I understand its beta and things still have to be balanced but man.. its hella fustrating trying to survive.
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The point of games is to have fun. If Rust isn't any fun for you, play a different game that is fun. Go away for a couple weeks or months and have fun, and then check back in and see how Rust is doing.
For real. Nobody's forcing you to play Rust, and at this point, there isn't much to do, so you either group up and become top dogs, or you get killed a lot, and then there are the hackers on top of ordinary game imbalance. Balance is below a bunch of important stuff on the to-do list for the experimental branch, and exciting stuff is happening there. Pay attention to experimental, but if the old version of Rust isn't entertainment for you, kind of ignore it and just treat the game as if it's a new start on Experimental.
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good point. The game is so much fun when your just left to fight against nature and survive... but when you toss in those annoying hackers / griefers it takes a bad turn and thats kinda sad in a way.
Maybe i will take a break for a couple of weeks. Try out some other survival games.
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You can easily have a handgun right off the bat on a wipe. Just about how lucky of a spawn of loot is in rad town(s). instead of going for resources off the bat you take some time to load up on loot spawns. or go focus on building a foundation 1x1 house asap with an after focus to create a revolver first (50 metel bits if i recall), followed by a metal door. it's not complicated to survive. walking around with tons of stuff is just a bad idea.
If this is your first survival game.. I got news for you. It's not gonna get easier on other games.
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So thats how they get their weapons so fast. All in my mind the only way to get weapons is by crafting them using a blue print. Had no idea you could loot one in Rad town. Good to know.. thnx.
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You should never... ever... have 2 hours worth of work in your character's inventory. Place a hidden stash box near the base of the mountain where you're farming... or a semi-hidden shelter. Never run directly towards it. When you've made 3 runs, make a run back to your base. Stop and watch that you're not being followed.
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Reading everything you said I think this game is simply not for you or at least not the PVP servers . You really don't know the basics or you don't listen to anything the people actually say here . "high powered gun" by that I guess you mean an M4 , it's not hard to get and the pistol is almost just as good if you know how to use it. Why would you farm for 2h straight instead of getting stuff for like 15-30m then get it back in the base/hidden stash then do it again . Your first objective after a wipe is to farm the radtowns, have a weapon with you and the easiest one to get first is the bow which is very powerful and kill people with it +when you get your hands on a pickaxe don't hesitate to use it . The pistol/shotgun or other blueprints if not the guns themselves (depends on the server drops) you get really fast unless it's a rare military weapons server. From what I see you also lack map awareness , you were farming some red bears/wolves and you got shot in the back , you should constantly look around + get some barricades; and the group thing - Just because they are 5 or more it doesn't mean they are good . In rust ,numbers aren't that important unless all of them are skilled (which rarely happens) . Alone or with 1-2 buddies that you can easily find if you use the chat , you can destroy big groups .
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most of those groups are just random people grouped up together. I don't i ever once ran into another clan like mine on any of the servers we wiped.
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Hacking is absolutely destroying the game at present. It's fairly common to encounter speed hackers, noclip hackers, fly hackers, aim botters who instant headshot everyone on the server. We started on a server last night, acquired around 3,000 metal in a 3x3 house and it's just been cleared out by no clip hackers. What's going on with the anticheat, has it been updated at all? The only thing it seems to do is kick me from a server when someone closes a door in my face. It doesn't stop massive game breaking hacks.
For me currently, I cannot play Rust at all. The game is not playable because of the amount of people freely cheating.
The admins have very few powers. No spectator mode, no visibility of what players a hacker killed or what items they stole from where. Hacking is absolute cancer to this game and I won't be playing it in this state. Irrespective of the fact the game's in Alpha, if it isn't getting regular anti-cheat updates it's unplayable.
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How do you know you were raided by someone who was noclipping?
This is my issue, too many people have something bad happen to them (which is kind of the whole point of the game) and they yell "CHEATS!" way too fast.
People just need to take a step back and consider more possibilities.
That said, there are a lot of cheaters, but they'll get dealt with in time. EAC will help a lot once it actually gets turned on.
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No one even has C4 on the server yet, it was wiped yesterday, our items were on the 2nd floor, there were no stairs to the 2nd floor. The items were cleared out by hackers. Why exactly did you choose to pick that one example as if there's some ambiguity about whether it could or could not be cheaters in a game absolutely rampant with them? I have Youtube clips of aimbotters I could link in here. I could go on a server now and record people flying around the map on official servers.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HerjtTOssS8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rlmKxEghw4Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsKvpG0yY7Y
Just a few examples I got within 1 minute of typing Rust hacks on Youtube. But sure yes, our base was cleaned out and the walls were all replaced and no evidence left, people often do that when they raid on Rust.
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I never said cheats don't exist, you don't have to link videos of them to me.
But how do you know that no one had C4? If there were no stairs to the 2nd floor then how'd you get your items up there? Also there are other ways to get to a 2nd floor other than stairs.
Also, if you want less cheaters then don't play on the official servers. I can't believe people are still surprised to see cheaters on the official servers.
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The hacker problem is nowhere near as bad as it was back before February. It has been getting pretty bad again recently, though. With the devs devoting all their time to the big update I don't think they've been maintaining their cheat guard.
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I don't play on official servers. You don't need to insult people's intelligence claiming we could have been legitimately raided.
I'll explain the situation for you since you insist on using strawman arguments to defend a broken game. Our items are on the second floor of a 3x3 house. There were no stairs on the outside, no large storage boxes with barricades, no walls missing, no damage done to the base. Just thousands of metal, gunpowder and guns missing. The admins are powerless to help because for all they know, we could be lying about our items missing, they have no proof.
This was just what happened today though, I've encountered dozens and dozens of hackers over the past few weeks. Last night I was on a community server and got headshot by a hacker, only to respawn and get headshot in my house. The scary thing is these are just the blatent hackers, not the smart ones who just use ESP and try and hide it.
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Don't take it so personally, I didn't attack your intelligence.
I'm not defending a broken game, I'm defending a game that's not finished. Those are too rather different scenarios. And it's not a straw man argument to pose an alternate solution.
You have zero proof that a cheater did this to your base. Someone could have easily done this without cheats.
I know that there are cheaters, and there are a lot of them. But right now there's not really any point in spending time trying to get rid of them.
I'd much rather the devs keep working on the new branch, get EAC switched on, and then see where we're at with cheaters down the road. If you don't like the game now then don't play it for a while, there's nothing wrong with that.
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Troll confirmed
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17th May 2014 Last edited by Sievers808; 17th May 2014 at 06:55PM. ("kiddo" was unnecessary, my bad)
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What are you even talking about? You have no proof of anything, you come here whining with just speculation and what do you expect any of us to do about it? Do you need a cookie to make you feel better about losing your stuff in a video game?
You say I'm making a "straw-man argument" (which everyone says when they don't like what they hear) and then you respond with something dumb like that?
Nice try. Seriously though, take a break from the game and come back when the experimental branch is either closer to being finished or completely done. I'm sure you'll have a better experience.
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I think its hilarious how "they used CHEATS!! there's no C4 on the server!!" is the only explanation people can give for having their stuff taken. Perhaps, as ineffective as they are, they used Grenades instead? But NOOOOOOO, rather than consider someone used the less effective but plausible method, its apparently more believable that you got raided by "hackers".
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I'v broken into metal towers before only to hear the next day in chat someone hacked into their tower... sad part was... they left their "roof" door wide open.. all the way to there treasure room. Blows my mind.
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The items are on the second floor of a house which has no foundations outside and had no walls or doors missing or damaged. Do you have learning difficulties as I'm pretty sure I explained that in a previous post?
This is not to mention that other people on the server said they were also hacked in the same way.
I find it difficult to think of a reason why any legitimate player would try and dismiss another players hacking concerns.
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How does one raid the second floor of a base without first climbing up to it using foundations or barricades and boxes? How do you raid a base without doing any damage to it? When you raid a base why would you go through the effort of removing every part of evidence that it was raided, including repairing the walls you some how blew and all the damage to surrounding items?
Take a break from the forum and stop picking online arguments because you have nothing better to do.
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You say I'm picking fights when you're the one asking others if they have a learning disability. You aren't fooling anyone around here, we're obviously more clever than you are.
I'm not saying that it certainly wasn't a cheater than took your stuff. But there's no reason to instantly assume that it was. There are a lot of players that will repair damage because it makes people more likely to stay in the same base, making it an easy target to raid again down the road.
Barricades and boxes can be destroyed as well, so it would have been an easy enough way to get in without someone catching on.
"Other people said it happened, too" is not a legitimate argument. I've already said that too many people jump to this conclusion too quickly. If I were the player on that server who was raiding everyone and not getting caught I'd be having the time of my life.
Oh and you never answered my question about how you got your items onto the second floor without stairs, by the way.
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Walls and doors can be replaced, though replaced doors would be very noticeable. As it was said, they could have used crates and/or barricades, as well as possibly putting their own stairs inside if you had a spot with no ceiling. All three are destroyable and leave no trace of being there.
And while I personally don't care, most people don't take very kindly to being accused of having a learning disorder because you see their response as not reading what you said. I read what you said and said what I said as I know that people know ways using whats available in game to reach higher ground.
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It was a hacker who raided our base. There is a huge problem with hackers in this game. I don't care to argue or prove my point as even if I got a video recording from the hacker himself raiding the base it would change nothing, the devs just do not apparently rate anti-cheat very high on their list of priorities.
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So you came on here to do exactly what since you have no desire to prove anything? We don't know what happened at your base. We weren't there. Nor were you so that remains to be said. It could of been anything. Not just a hacker.
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I take it you haven't even looked at the front page of this forum, where there are multiple threads about EasyAntiCheat and the experimental branch.
You know, the anticheat solution garry announced they were working on integrating back in February. You know, the experimental branch, the future of Rust, the version that is a fresh start using the concepts refined on the current version, the version that will replace the current version when it is ready.
You know, the current version that is no longer being updated and is being kept around until experimental is ready, and then after that it'll just be kept around for nostalgia.
Wait, you don't know because you haven't bothered to read shit and just want to bitch.
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-> Roar^
And when someone brought good arguments he just says he won't comment on it anymore haha I love it !
They might've even replaced doors , unlocked them and I'm pretty sure you didn't check to see if you have a menu to that "hacked" door or not. As the others said , walls are being replaced after a raid (many people do that including I) , boxes/barricades can be destroyed easily or they can even place sleeping bags in your house and spawn on the inside , they destroy your stuff and then they have a laugh about you and others on the server. + if you have windows and boxes in the same room then you might not find them the next day because they got shot down or blown up .
Just because you and other 10-20 on the server yell "hacks" it doesn't mean there really are . You might just all be bad players that always try to find an excuse for their own failure.
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I met a few other people and became good friends. We have played (and became the richest) on lots of servers, easily. The one time we thought there could be hacking was when loads of people were raided, totalling up to more than 60 c4 in 1 night, pillaring up with metal parts on the metal bases. But even then, it could easily have been the other group on the server who had the metal base over 20 stories tall, who knows.
Point is, hacking is almost non existant from what i've seen. Aslong as you find a good server with active admins.
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I don't even care about the base being raided, really, my point was the current version of Rust is unplayable because of the amount of cheaters. My group all have 500+ hours of the game, we know the difference between a raid and being hacked though thanks for your obvious suggestions that it could have been anything other than the complete obvious fact it was a noclip hacker.
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I know/knew guys with even more hours than you that were yelling hacks every time someone was bolting them from max range or hsing them with the p250 so using the hours as proof for being good or at least knowing the basics :D isn't enough . Rust is in alpha, it's not broken it's just unfinished , nobody is forcing you to play , go to another game and return after this patch, see if you like it , if not leave and come back again after the next one and so on .
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No shit, Sherlock, that's why they're rebuilding the game from the ground up and adding EAC.
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Everyone is fucking cheating now, even the veterans on this forum. Look at elixwhitetail:
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Who did you piss off, Elix?
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Yeah, that's not my account. Someone set that up in a dumb attempt to frame me. It didn't fool anyone on that website either.Everyone is fucking cheating now, even the veterans on this forum. Look at elixwhitetail:
Look at how that retard writes. I never post sentences that end with three question marks unless I'm mocking someone who does type that terribly.
http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1394417
fucking lol
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You can see he didn't even have the balls to post with his main account or to show us his steam or something . 1 post :D 0 self esteem .
Merak you're probably one of those dummies that asked for hacks with his ign and got caught
p.s: It's roar^ . Damn you really are a dumb person :D
Prepare guys ! Whoever dared to post something against him , tomorrow you will be on MPGH or some other rust cheating site .
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I agree LOL I love the title he made though.
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