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A lot of the reasoning I've been reading that really irks me:
"Don't add *blahblahblah* because I don't like it."
What do you expect the dev to say? "Oh, you don't like this thing that I really wanna add to the project that I'm doing all the work on? Okay dude, you got it."
We paid for early access and the finished product. That's it. We don't get creative control, we don't get to set deadlines, we don't get to tell the dev team what to do. Any time when the devs take input is a bonus, but it is absolutely not a requirement. If I were Garry I'd be way more of a dick. Good on him for keeping his cool when the people who claim to love him and his game shit on him the moment he proposes trying something they don't like. Daddy's only asking you to try the lima beans. If you don't like them he won't feed them to you again. He just wants you to try.
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Well, those "people" gave them millions of dollars to allow them to develop this great game.
To me it seems fair enough that these people have the right to give their opinions regarding the development direction/features/changes on the corresponding public forum. Actually, I'm sure this is what the dev team wants.
So, I say it to: I highly dislike 3rd person.
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This is a forum you're allowed to discuss about anythingTypical Garry.
It was a bad idea to open comments on this board.
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I'm not here to nerd rage by any means but I really don't think it's a step in the right direction, not even in a business perspective.
First person just completes Rust as a whole and differentiates the game from its biggest competitor(Dayz). I just personally find that first person just gives too many advantages to making it a good game.
In my eyes, Rust is as popular as it is due to the competitiveness and that is exactly where the first person genre amplifies that. First person games have been by far the most competitive over the decades such as games like Doom, Counterstrike, Unreal Tournament and Quake(etc).
Because of first person,
-People can be more immersed in the experience due to having the perspective of seeing everything through the eyes of the model and not having your own character model in the way to ruin that
-People can focus more on cursor placement and gun control(which has been very popular in competitive shooters, which force you to learn spray patterns and learn how to properly use each weapon)
-People can't blame camera glitches or camera exploits that may possibly happen in third person.
-First person gives sound a big game mechanic. FOOTSTEPS are a part of Rust as first person, 3rd person really derails sound in general because of the 3rd person view.
-First person gives more depth to the game, makes it harder to exploit ,makes it more challenging and makes you more involved.
There are probably many more positives but those are the ones on top of my head.
But to conclude, I don't think I'll ever touch rust again if they move to third person and the longevity of the games cycle will tank as well(I know this is rough to say but I'd be lying to you if I said otherwise). The game will lack depth and thought in its hardcore mechanics, making it a flawed game.
I'm even considering finding means to try to refund my money due to them switching completely to different genres(first person survival to third person). Even though the game is not final product and I knew that buying the game I would never expect it to make such a drastic change that would of changed my opinion of the game(it's the first early access game to do so and I have plenty).
I hope to see others well thought opinion on this even if it opposes mine.
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There's 0 reasons why they should add thirdperson. Will only ruin this game, wish I could get my money back...
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Seeing the reactions of the Rust "dodge-ball" players here, I personally cannot wait for thee third person addition.
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I'd stand-by Garry if he actually would implement something that adds something to the game. I don't see anything positive coming from third-person. :/ really
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Well, they just wrote that they care shit about people's opinion and are going to add it anyway. Garry is good developer, but an awful boor.
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Why are they wasting time with this ? Everyone want an update and they are doing this stupid stuff, he even said that they will remove it if it sucks but it's 100% sure it'll, it's been too long since the last update and most of the rust players are going to get H1Z1 because of the lack of updates...
I remember the good old times with updates almost every days
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af any are not happy with the game Garry and his fellow are doin go buy yourself another game, if you all want the game to be that way or that way make yourself a communauty and build yourself your game. People QQ ing for 3 rd person, for lack of update or for anything that they dont like make me sick. This game is great and is evolution is better. Go flames on me or continu QQ ing it really help all of you, and more QQ ing is for sure gonna make Garry sad and change his plan.... kidding he dont give a fuck and i love this.
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jonnymad
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You say my comment is dumb, go try yourself to have a explanation, say you mind, comment, dont just say its dumb and go back at your porno site. If i stay to this topic, tell me what 3 rd view will change for you when you still gonna be able to play 1 st view, what aspect of the game are YOU gonna loose ?
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I'd like to think the developers of this game are able to appreciate feedback and value it depending on how well justified it is. It's not acting entitled to use a public forum to discuss planned features.
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I can't believe so many of you actually fall for this. It's obviously a joke. He know that everyone wants the game to be first person, he's seen all the petitions etc. The reason he made this card was to fuck with the people who would fall for it, which is surprisingly many. He's obviously not going to remove first person.
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i just tested out third person on the experimental branch. I'm thrilled to see if they keep it or not, either way i dont really care. Either it will work out and is good or it won't and they take it out again.
Don't start a shitstorm because you dislike a feature that is coming. Basically you all read the message, that it is in early development and a lot of things were to change..and that is obviously one of those things. Crying for a refund is a great way to supress the fact, that we all agreed that we trusted and supported garrys team with our money and we are able to actively follow the development. It's not that we paid what about 20 dollars to buy us in to the development itself. We're not suddenly owners of the game and we certainly not to decide what features make it in.
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you just don't get it.. and you still feel like you competent to leave your opinion.. just don't write anymore..
3rd person is just lame, and changes gameplay so much..
i was and still am "defender" of slow development and garry's stand and "personality"..
but i am slowly changing when i read his explanation in this devblog about 3rd person and when he wrote about putting bullets in magazines..
and it's funny cause goal was to differ from dayz, not copying anything, but in reality all changes lately are copy paste from dayz - magazines, prone, 3rd person..
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Friday Devblog 7
"Third Person
There’s been a lot of hysteria this week because we posted on our trello that we’re going to add third person. Don’t worry. We are aware of your knee jerk over-reactions. You can stop making petitions. We get that you have an opinion on it.
We’re adding it anyway. We’re not going to make decisions based on bulletin board theories. We’re going to make decisions based on what happens. Nothing is set in stone, if it’s shit and ruins gameplay we’ll remove it."
useless discussion here
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Third Person
There’s been a lot of hysteria this week because we posted on our trello that we’re going to add third person. Don’t worry. We are aware of your knee jerk over-reactions. You can stop making petitions. We get that you have an opinion on it.
We’re adding it anyway. We’re not going to make decisions based on bulletin board theories. We’re going to make decisions based on what happens. Nothing is set in stone, if it’s shit and ruins gameplay we’ll remove it.
http://playrust.com/
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As posted in another thread, i wouldnt judge what you didnt try yet. We just gotta wait it out - we absolutely have no saying in the development of rust and im okay with that - after all we didnt buy ourselves into development with 20 bucks, we're here to actively follow the development - i have to totally agree with garry on that. It's not a dickmove, its not unfair - it's just the way it is.
Iam quite thrilled to see how 3rd Person will work out. It was never as bad as the naysayers said - i'm not convinced yet as well, but i will keep my opinion to myself until i'm able to see the change myself
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What gameplay do it change to you ? just dont use it. It is like saying you dont want anymore Mountain Dew anymore cause you dont like it, god damn just dont buy it.
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i will not be able not use it because most likely most servers will have 3rd person on, and you cannot play in 1st because it's too much of disadvantage..
you just need to check dayz (mod) and see how it is, and that 95% play in 3rd person..
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You're right - it's going to take a month to add a third person camera.Why are they wasting time with this ? Everyone want an update and they are doing this stupid stuff, he even said that they will remove it if it sucks but it's 100% sure it'll, it's been too long since the last update and most of the rust players are going to get H1Z1 because of the lack of updates...
I remember the good old times with updates almost every days
PS. We already added a third person camera. It took about 15 minutes.
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There are so many posts about this already and good points (probably mine too as it got agreed 20 times on one of the first topics regarding this matter) but I won't repeat mine here too . I'm just gonna ask you if you are a less than average skilled player at this game and so you want 3rd person implemented so you can compensate by being able to peak above walls and other stuff with the camera instead of actually risking your body out to do it ?
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Here is my opinion on 3rd person.
You should only be allowed to use 3rd person when You are standing still and rotating/zoom the view in 3rd person. This would give 3rd person a purpose and make its main use for looking at your immediate surroundings and give you a way to regain your bearings.
But here is the catch as soon as you start moving and interacting with the game/environment the view would auto zoom or jump back to 1st person. Which would allow the game to still retain the look and feel that so many of the players love about this game including myself.
What do you think any opinions?
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In the pre-pre-Alpha version of this game we had third person. I personally liked the old Third Person mode, and can't wait to see where Garry is taking this.
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What make you a more skilled player ?, backstab, no-life time playing, grouping ? As i can see on everything that touch your so loved pvp you start QQ about it.
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Why are you such a perpetually condescending asshole?
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How long is it going to take you guys to realize the developers do not give a fuck about your opinion? If you haven't noticed, the most recent gameplay changes (durability and replacing zombies with more annoying wolves and bears) both went against most players' wishes. The devs don't give a shit.
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i'd fking love 3rd person! but i would "like" 1st person option. but i prefer 3rd
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Don't think I've ever seen a positive post come from him. The guy is a huge asshole to his customers.
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3rd person view is already enabled in the experimental branch. Just hit F3 and 'enjoy'.
(On a sidenote, F2 overlays a few buttons enabling you to change a few graphics settings, like vignetting, motion blur, anti-aliasing and color grading.)
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That's because he doesn't give a fuck. He was already set for life because of Garry's Mod. There's a reason he never advertised Rust. back when it was in pre alpha. They never wanted it to be big. They wanted it to stay small and cosy like Garry's Mod was back in the days. Hence, there'd be no reprocussions if you all just fucked off to another game, which is something you should do. Garry is a great guy, and I wish you'd see that.
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he just reacts to negativity with negativity. guess you cant see positive posts since you've been here for only 3 months
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There's plenty of them. Stop spreading bullshit.
Lots of these so-called 'customers' (I prefer to refer to them as annoying brats) are huge assholes to him. This forum alone is more than enough proof of that.
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Thanks for giving me my first laugh today.
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3rd person gives person A an HUGE advantage over person B with first person. recoil, peeks, etc etc.
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Please stop posting stupid over-dramatizations like "the game will tank" and "I should get my money back". That's the kind of histrionics that will give Garry the ammunition to make more flippant asshole comments lumping together and dismissing all the intelligent, legitimate and well-argued points that were made about this issue... followed by more annoying cheerleaders telling everyone to like it or leave. And then everyone gets to be disgusted by everyone else from top on down.
Anyone who's been on the experimental server was probably left with the impression that it's a long way from hitting production. When it does, you can petition admins for FPV-only servers... or vote with your feet. Virtually every other person or clan-mate I met, played with or brought to Rust has already done the same, if you know what I mean.
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I have been getting reports at our website(we are a pretty nice sized gaming website with a good following and are currently being looked at by a pretty big gaming website) about people getting banned here for speaking there opinion, about Garry being rude and demeaning to his customers(the people who make your games worth what they are worth) and I also have been getting a lot of comments about the game in general.
I must say coming here for the last couple of days and seeing how the forum staff presents there self and how Garry himself treats his customers that we will be having our writer do an article on the underside of Facepunch as this is really sad that a developer should act like this to his customers and I have not really seen something like this since the "FEZ" incident.
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Uh don't be so dramatic lol. Nobody gets banned for speaking their opinion here, unless they're being really rude about it or doing so in a way that breaks the clearly explained forum rules. And I'd hardly call garry making one sarcastic post in the last month where he still justified trying a new feature something that's worth getting upset over at all.
You guys really need to chill out. If the feature doesn't work then it won't be kept in, but part of a game being in alpha is that you experiment and try new shit, instead of just writing it off as not worth trying in the first place. We'll find out how this works when the patch drops, and if it really does suck, then like garry said, it won't be kept in.
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Everyone here who is screaming about third-person needs to understand one thing.
The biggest mistake you can make, as a game developer, is to think you're building the final game long before you're actually building the final game. If you don't experiment and prototype and try things and explore what gameplay possibilities an idea creates, your game will either never get out of development hell because you'll be going back and overhauling things way too late, or it'll come out and probably suck.
Rust is nowhere near the finished game. Stop freaking the fuck out every time something appears on a Trello card that conflicts with what you think Rust should have.
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Garry, the fear I think underpins most of our fears is 3rd person cameras that give such an advantage with looking ovee or through things a person in life could not. The classic example of people able to see around corners or overwalls. I have 't had time to try the dev branch. Does the camera implementation not allow this? If it does, I understand your want of giving the player choice, but when that choice only allows advantages to one, it really isn't a choice. Most sservers will become 3rd person default even if first enabled, which leaves the servers who lock first with low populations.
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Friday Devblog 7 posted:
Dumb x 8
Agree x 3
Funny x 1
Disagree x 2
Late x 1
Optimistic x 1
x 10
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x 1
Useful x 2
Artistic x 1
Friendly x 1
