[Sievers808]

Enterpriser posted:

Yes, EasyAntiCheat sends screenshots to Facepunch if something doesn't go well, it's used to detect things like graphic mods, aimbots, etcetera, and i had to disable it because shit happened while loading the game, anyway, i read this in some place i don't remember.

Nope, you're thinking about Cheatpunch. As I already said, EAC isn't even turned on in Rust yet.

So not only are you obviously lying but you don't even know what you're lying about.

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

Yes, i got VAC Banned, for using an extenal tool that is potentially dangerous with other external s**t, but not dangerous itself, that's what i thought while installing it.

So you knew the whole time, and now you complain about it here? Leave.

[Enterpriser]

I hoped at least in a human response, not a botlike one.

Which is what the support forgets most of the time.
Always that schedule, always.
"Sorry, we can't answer you anymore" That's what you get when you ask them to be human.
Does it seem just?

[hippowombat]

Enterpriser posted:

I'm honest.. Dude, if i wasn't honest, why did i open twice the same ticket to ensure if i could do something about that?

It's sad, but.. That's the truth, believe it or not.
I didn't even try to delete something, in that folder.
Since the bypass worked, i could delete maybe the backup of the default file, but i didn't, check the images if you didn't see them.

My friend stopped playing with me at all, since Rust was the only game we could play together, joined another clan and now he's an annoying guy like the ones that just worry about projectiles left..

Edited:

Yes, EasyAntiCheat sends screenshots to Facepunch if something doesn't go well, it's used to detect things like graphic mods, aimbots, etcetera, and i had to disable it because shit happened while loading the game, anyway, i read this in some place i don't remember.

Now i'm not lying, and neither i did in the beginning, neither in the middle, just ALL the truth.

It also detects cheats and memory injections. You can't demand a refund for a game because it comes with anti-cheat software without sounding a) ridiculous and b) like a hacker. Nobody believes you.

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

I hoped at least in a human response, not a botlike one.

Which is what the support forgets most of the time.
Always that schedule, always.
"Sorry, we can't answer you anymore" That's what you get when you ask them to be human.
Does it seem just?

Enterpriser posted:

Yes, i got VAC Banned, for using an extenal tool that is potentially dangerous with other external s**t, but not dangerous itself, that's what i thought while INSTALLING it.

You admitted to using an external tool, when the FAQ Valve put out warned you

Valve posted:

Use only trusted machines to play on VAC-Secured servers - if you are not sure whether or not the machine you are using to connect to Steam may have cheats installed, do not play on VAC-Secured servers.

USE CAUTION WHEN INSTALLING ANY GAME MODIFICATIONS, such as scripts or custom skins. Only download custom content from trusted sources. Hackers sometimes maliciously disguise their cheats to cause others to get banned.

https://support.steampowered.com/kb_...7849-Radz-6869

You need to read more.

That is my human response

[J!NX]

I don't know why people even bother

there is literally 0% of a chance facepunch, let alone garry can or will unban vac banned users

go to valve, that's literally all there is to it. Besides, you said yourself you used an external tool, obviously it used injections and that's why your here.

The info I posted should have been enough to convince you but you still don't listen.

So why are you here?

[Enterpriser]

Yes, i admitted it, but it's that bad if it works?

My intentions weren't bad, i wouldn't ruin nobody experience, i didn't want to hack too, but seems like nobody experienced that impotence sensation when something goes wrong, in that support.

Maybe my habits were with Riot Support, which is human even with a schedule, and at least it tries to help you with that sound human, but does it sound human when you put your pc specs on a ticket and then they answer you asking for pc specs? Guess not.

That's what's so bad with support.
That's what's unjust with VAC.
That's what sucks on Steam.

Feels like nobody is human except your friends.
VAC is just a program that scans your computer and searches for files onto a db, and it bans you, sad thing it doesn't know why you did that.
Even if i go to Valve, nobody will help me to get something out of this problem, cause nobody is really interested there.
Nobody choses to be a supporter there.
I'll do if i could have a chance.
Cause I like to stay with people and try to be helpful.
Being quick will not be a part of my job, but i'll try to understand people. I'd rather risk my job for a person who encountered an error, than keeping my job and see that a person wastes money for it.

What happens if you purchase Galactic Civ III and you get banned? That game costs 92.99€, you know.

[Sievers808]

Enterpriser posted:

Yes, i admitted it, but it's that bad if it works?

My intentions weren't bad, i wouldn't ruin nobody experience, i didn't want to hack too, but seems like nobody experienced that impotence sensation when something goes wrong, in that support.

Maybe my habits were with Riot Support, which is human even with a schedule, and at least it tries to help you with that sound human, but does it sound human when you put your pc specs on a ticket and then they answer you asking for pc specs? Guess not.

That's what's so bad with support.
That's what's unjust with VAC.
That's what sucks on Steam.

Feels like nobody is human except your friends.
VAC is just a program that scans your computer and searches for files onto a db, and it bans you, sad thing it doesn't know why you did that.
Even if i go to Valve, nobody will help me to get something out of this problem, cause nobody is really interested there.
Nobody choses to be a supporter there.
I'll do if i could have a chance.
Cause I like to stay with people and try to be helpful.
Being quick will not be a part of my job, but i'll try to understand people. I'd rather risk my job for a person who encountered an error, than keeping my job and see that a person wastes money for it.

What happens if you purchase Galactic Civ III and you get banned? That game costs 92.99€, you know.

So you think Valve should be more "humane" and unban people who manage to come up with creative stories about why they were wrongly VAC banned?

Nope. Then no one would be banned!

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

Yes, i admitted it, but it's that bad if it works?

My intentions weren't bad, i wouldn't ruin nobody experience, i didn't want to hack too, but seems like nobody experienced that impotence sensation when something goes wrong, in that support.

Maybe my habits were with Riot Support, which is human even with a schedule, and at least it tries to help you with that sound human, but does it sound human when you put your pc specs on a ticket and then they answer you asking for pc specs? Guess not.

That's what's so bad with support.
That's what's unjust with VAC.
That's what sucks on Steam.

Feels like nobody is human except your friends.
VAC is just a program that scans your computer and searches for files onto a db, and it bans you, sad thing it doesn't know why you did that.
Even if i go to Valve, nobody will help me to get something out of this problem, cause nobody is really interested there.
Nobody choses to be a supporter there.
I'll do if i could have a chance.
Cause I like to stay with people and try to be helpful.
Being quick will not be a part of my job, but i'll try to understand people. I'd rather risk my job for a person who encountered an error, than keeping my job and see that a person wastes money for it.

What happens if you purchase Galactic Civ III and you get banned? That game costs 92.99€, you know.

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And who pressed "Agree" Behind the steam account?

[hippowombat]

Enterpriser posted:

Yes, i admitted it, but it's that bad if it works?

My intentions weren't bad, i wouldn't ruin nobody experience, i didn't want to hack too, but seems like nobody experienced that impotence sensation when something goes wrong, in that support.

Maybe my habits were with Riot Support, which is human even with a schedule, and at least it tries to help you with that sound human, but does it sound human when you put your pc specs on a ticket and then they answer you asking for pc specs? Guess not.

That's what's so bad with support.
That's what's unjust with VAC.
That's what sucks on Steam.

Feels like nobody is human except your friends.
VAC is just a program that scans your computer and searches for files onto a db, and it bans you, sad thing it doesn't know why you did that.
Even if i go to Valve, nobody will help me to get something out of this problem, cause nobody is really interested there.
Nobody choses to be a supporter there.
I'll do if i could have a chance.
Cause I like to stay with people and try to be helpful.
Being quick will not be a part of my job, but i'll try to understand people. I'd rather risk my job for a person who encountered an error, than keeping my job and see that a person wastes money for it.

What happens if you purchase Galactic Civ III and you get banned? That game costs 92.99€, you know.

It's not a matter of subjective morality man. You can claim up and down that you didn't intend to ruin anyone's time, but that's not what the rules are and why they're there. The rules are that you can't inject any files of any type, regardless of their function or intent, into the Rust DLL's or EXE's. This is why VAC's system is just and does work, because it's an impartial data recieving referee in a game of impartial data scanning rule-keeping. Follow the rules, don't get banned. Simple as that. Break the rules with, "good intentions," you still broke the rules. You still get banned. That's just. You don't make the rules. Valve and FP do.

[Murdo]

This thread is still going on hours later? With the same things being posted over and over again?

C'mon folks, if you're not being trolled ... you might as well be.

[Enterpriser]

No.
I think Valve should be more human, but not with people who manage to come up with creative stories, but with people that encounter problems, and, i mean, Rust got EAC as internal anticheat, if someone disables it there's still VAC, and my infraction was only one, not two, neither three, no cheats, just a bypass, then why, since it uses IDS, which make a cheat detectable or not, couldn't they check if there was effectively a cheating experience rather than just a standard experience with a modded file?

I know, it may be forbidden, but if you're not doing anything with it, why the banhammer speaks? I just wanted to build.. I got killed so many times in a week, and didn't even answered to the fire with the fire, just wandered in the map searching for materials..

[lolo]

Oh yeah by the way you want your money back? think again.

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If you want a refund you have better chance of getting struck by lightning, suck it up, quit using Steam or buy it again, you pressed agree to this, so refund is not gonna' happen.

You signed up for this, by simply pressing "I agree"

[J!NX]

Enterpriser posted:

No.
I think Valve should be more human, but not with people who manage to come up with creative stories, but with people that encounter problems, and, i mean, Rust got EAC as internal anticheat, if someone disables it there's still VAC, and my infraction was only one, not two, neither three, no cheats, just a bypass, then why, since it uses IDS, which make a cheat detectable or not, couldn't they check if there was effectively a cheating experience rather than just a standard experience with a modded file?

I know, it may be forbidden, but if you're not doing anything with it, why the banhammer speaks? I just wanted to build.. I got killed so many times in a week, and didn't even answered to the fire with the fire, just wandered in the map searching for materials..

you disabled an internal anticheat the game uses and were banned for it and wondering why you were banned

Jesus Christ really dude, do you expect VAC to psychicly know your intent? really?

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

No.
I think Valve should be more human, but not with people who manage to come up with creative stories, but with people that encounter problems, and, i mean, Rust got EAC as internal anticheat, if someone disables it there's still VAC, and my infraction was only one, not two, neither three, no cheats, just a bypass, then why, since it uses IDS, which make a cheat detectable or not, couldn't they check if there was effectively a cheating experience rather than just a standard experience with a modded file?

I know, it may be forbidden, but if you're not doing anything with it, why the banhammer speaks? I just wanted to build.. I got killed so many times in a week, and didn't even answered to the fire with the fire, just wandered in the map searching for materials..

Valve is as human as can be, they give you a large page of rules that you had chosed to ignore, it's your fault you fell into this mess that you are continuing to dig your hole deeper with.

First you want a refund. Subscription agreement says you can't.

Second now pinning it to someone else

Third now demanding Valve to be more human, which they already are Human, just like me and you.

[Enterpriser]

hippowombat, if your family was starving, and you needed to give them something to eat, would you break the law for it?

Maybe you pay for your crime, sure, but it's not the same as an omicide.

That's what i mean.
Impartial? Not at all.
Always permanent? Right, so if you replace you get permabanned, and if you effectively cheat you get permabanned anyway.
This isn't my concept of just.

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

hippowombat, if your family was starving, and you needed to give them something to eat, would you break the law for it?

Maybe you pay for your crime, sure, but it's not the same as an omicide.

That's what i mean.
Impartial? Not at all.
Always permanent? Right, so if you replace you get permabanned, and if you effectively cheat you get permabanned anyway.
This isn't my concept of just.

You broke the rules, you get the stick. You even agreed to the rules when signing up for Steam.

It all started with you agreeing to a list of rules you ignored, you knew the consequences, and now you are complaining, you don't deserve to criticize rules you just broke.

[Enterpriser]

That's what i expect from something i paid for.

For example: VAC scans, 1 infraction, name of the file replaced or modified, name of the modify, it get printed onto a txt and it passes from it to a person, which reads it and determines the ban, and the duration of it, the ban will apply in a week or so, since that's what actually happens with bans about the time it takes to be effective.

That's what is a perfect ban system.
Not a machine that can't determine what's up.

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

That's what i expect from something i paid for.

For example: VAC scans, 1 infraction, name of the file replaced or modified, name of the modify, it get printed onto a txt and it passes from it to a person, which reads it and determines the ban, and the duration of it, the ban will apply in a week or so, since that's what actually happens with bans about the time it takes to be effective.

That's what is a perfect ban system.
Not a machine that can't determine what's up.

Are you Valve? They have a whole team dedicated to VAC, I'm pretty sure they can look over False bans that had happened in the past, unfortunately you were not Falsely banned according to Valve TWICE.

[Enterpriser]

i complain about the unequality of the ban.
that's impartial, but it's not something i can trust, imho.

Why the hell should i trust a system that doesn't distinct between the one who does errors and fixes them and the one who takes advantage of them?

[J!NX]

Enterpriser posted:

That's what i expect from something i paid for.

For example: VAC scans, 1 infraction, name of the file replaced or modified, name of the modify, it get printed onto a txt and it passes from it to a person, which reads it and determines the ban, and the duration of it, the ban will apply in a week or so, since that's what actually happens with bans about the time it takes to be effective.

That's what is a perfect ban system.
Not a machine that can't determine what's up.

yeah I'm sure when valve investigates via a human and sees that you disabled the internal anticheat of the game they'll believe you are innocent when you say "But I didn't do anything"

get real

[jonnymad]

Enterpriser posted:

hippowombat, if your family was starving, and you needed to give them something to eat, would you break the law for it?

Maybe you pay for your crime, sure, but it's not the same as an omicide.

That's what i mean.
Impartial? Not at all.
Always permanent? Right, so if you replace you get permabanned, and if you effectively cheat you get permabanned anyway.
This isn't my concept of just.

...cheating in a video game and stealing to survive are two different things you fucking mouthbreather, get the hell out already, jesus fucking christ

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

i complain about the unequality of the ban.
that's impartial, but it's not something i can trust, imho.

Why the hell should i trust a system that doesn't distinct between the one who does errors and fixes them and the one who takes advantage of them?

You signed away your rights on Steam, you expect equality?

[SteakStyles]

See, part of the reason why they don't tell you what triggered VAC is to give people who write "hacks" less time to update it to not be detected. VAC would be useless otherwise as they'd be able to stay ahead of it.

[Enterpriser]

They have a whole team but the team isn't for false bans. The team is just made up to check up the database and insert new known cheats on it.
That's what happens, nobody checks the bans it does, everybody checks the db.
Nothing gets printed in a screen and checked about bans.
The machines that are dedicated to VAC are simple servers.
Not Mainframes and not even PC, just servers with ftp access and with no save system about the cause of the ban, you get banned, and that's what they see.

[J!NX]

Enterpriser posted:

They have a whole team but the team isn't for false bans. The team is just made up to check up the database and insert new known cheats on it.
That's what happens, nobody checks the bans it does, everybody checks the db.
Nothing gets printed in a screen and checked about bans.
The machines that are dedicated to VAC are simple servers.
Not Mainframes and not even PC, just servers with ftp access and with no save system about the cause of the ban, you get banned, and that's what they see.

You disabled the anticheat to the game

0 valve employees will care or understand, and let alone believe you were "Not doing anything"

[lolo]

Enterpriser posted:

They have a whole team but the team isn't for false bans. The team is just made up to check up the database and insert new known cheats on it.
That's what happens, nobody checks the bans it does, everybody checks the db.
Nothing gets printed in a screen and checked about bans.
The machines that are dedicated to VAC are simple servers.
Not Mainframes and not even PC, just servers with ftp access and with no save system about the cause of the ban, you get banned, and that's what they see.

You aren't answered by a machine, the people you sent a ticket to WERE PEOPLE


Here's a false ban being lifted



Unfortunately your ban happens to be legitimate, stop blaming it on a machine, it was not a "False ban" they even CHECKED it for you to verify it to be true.

This picture confirms a man named "PAUL" lifting a ban.

[Cragbones]

Enterpriser posted:

i complain about the unequality of the ban.
that's impartial, but it's not something i can trust, imho.

Why the hell should i trust a system that doesn't distinct between the one who does errors and fixes them and the one who takes advantage of them?

Look, we all understand what you mean by "you didn't mean any harm"- we get that. However, it doesn't change the fact that you ignored the warnings from VAC (or rather didn't look up the consequences). What you had was the gateway to begin ruining other users' experiences, or a bypass. It's like having a meth lab with no actual meth in it; why even have one? It just makes you look suspicious and obviously isn't a good idea.

Bottom line is, you naively modified internal game files knowing to yourself that you weren't planning to do wrong, but you didn't read the rules regarding that. That's no ones fault but your own and you're going to have to deal with it.

[hippowombat]

Enterpriser posted:

Why the hell should i trust a system that doesn't distinct between the one who does errors and fixes them and the one who takes advantage of them?

Because it's the responsibility of the user to not, "do errors," in the first place.

[The Saiko]

Lmao I love the part where you took a picture of your folder to prove that you weren't cheating. That's like taking a picture of your empty drawer for the police to show them that you don't own a gun.

[jonnymad]

The Saiko posted:

Lmao I love the part where you took a picture of your folder to prove that you weren't cheating. That's like taking a picture of your empty drawer for the police to show them that you don't own a gun.

"I swear I didn't strangle that hooker in my car, see the photo? She is alive here."

[Pyroknight]

Enterpriser posted:

I hoped at least in a human response, not a botlike one.

Which is what the support forgets most of the time.
Always that schedule, always.
"Sorry, we can't answer you anymore" That's what you get when you ask them to be human.
Does it seem just?

Dood, when they send the copy paste message, that means they checked over your case and you were actually modifying the game or cheating. They don't tell you anything so it's harder for hack makers to make VAC proof hacks

[Warm]

Maybe you should learn to read OP:
http://i.imgur.com/e8HDTEt.jpg

[Redswandir]

Enterpriser posted:

What happens if you purchase Galactic Civ III and you get banned? That game costs 92.99€, you know.

well if you're dumb enough to risk getting banned on a $100+ alpha game then you really deserve it

also you are comparing irrelevant things together despite the fact that you're an idiot and that's what got yourself banned, not some magic AI that has a grudge against you

like seriously, from what I've seen from your posts you have a great chance of winning a Darwin Award and you should totally go for it man

[Jamie1992GSC]

-Snip-

I'm an idiot. Ignore this post.

[gsabram]

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[Bastwiest]

Lovely, Thanks for the read guys! Gotta love it!

[UrNo]

Gold.. This IS gold haha

[Zipper Bear]

Thank you OP, it was a good read. My favorite part was how you admitted to breaking several additional rules of the ToS, and turning this standard "hacker gets busted" thread into a "hacker gets busted, while bypassing the anti cheat, and also sharing accounts with friends" and then claiming that you did it to help your starving family, somehow.

Enterpriser posted:

hippowombat, if your family was starving, and you needed to give them something to eat, would you break the law for it?

^ fucking lol dude, fucking lol.

[hippowombat]

Zipper Bear posted:

Thank you OP, it was a good read. My favorite part was how you admitted to breaking several additional rules of the ToS, and turning this standard "hacker gets busted" thread into a "hacker gets busted, while bypassing the anti cheat, and also sharing accounts with friends" and then claiming that you did it to help your starving family, somehow.

Enterpriser posted:

hippowombat, if your family was starving, and you needed to give them something to eat, would you break the law for it?

^ fucking lol dude, fucking lol.

How did I not see this earlier??? pfffffttttt