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Post #1I have noticed a trend of people posting many videos of their "talents" on youtube and of rust. However if you notice a pattern they all seem to have the same "skill" with their gun, if you watch their videos closely you can notice that all their guns trace towards the heads of targets.
Here is a video of someone not hiding their UI and just trolling:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEJu_JIg2nk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KQpHN0p1Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DAq0htaUY4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NIsp...U1oF6wC8vk5-Pw
From seeing through rocks to tracing, when you stream your videos you can actually hide the UI of the payed version of the cheats. You will notice in many of their videos a lot of their guns stick to their heads. All you need to do to do this is press a button and your gun moves to the closest head of the nearest target and sticks to it like glue. It can be turned off and on at anytime, and is it just a coincidence that all these streamers seem to have the same aiming patterns/styles?
See for yourself how similar their aim is. Videos are more proof then what I can say.
Also, for many who say things like "Oh, he has 1000+ hours there is no way he can cheat!" ... lol.. I know someone who does who has 900 hours in RUST, and has 7 accounts he plays on and off, he even leaves his main one on to build the base and plays with his others. He even turns his on some times but he avoids blatantly showing it off and logs off. I really wish someone would do something about this shit.
My favorite part is when their gun aims towards their own allies heads. Oppsies!
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In the videos I do see instances where it seems there may be cheating going on-- but I also see instances where it seems they are manually firing (and missing). I know you can turn the cheats on and off, but based on the videos you linked to, only the first one (Bushiman) made me think "I'll bet this guy is cheating."
So far I don't see any proof.
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I dont see any cheats. Your pretty much saying "because these guys aim for your head, they must be cheating right?" ... No proof.. not cheating.
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Aimbotting is a command you click that automaticly pushes your gun towards the targets head. Look at many videos and you will notice a pattern.
I also never claimed or said they were cheating, I just said it was funny that they all seem to have the same style. Most people who stream know this and manually aim, however you will notice a tracing towards a target in a lot of the videos. Especially near the ends.
I offer no proof and I don't have to offer proof because I never claimed anything, however you would be blind if you didn't notice a pattern or trend.
When a gun aims towards a targets head repeatedly and seems to trace towards it and it looks exactly the same style as others (Everyone has their own style by the way.) it leaves traces and patterns. However I've never seen a gun repeatedly aim towards targets heads and then aim towards an allies head that looks exactly the same from four different people.
Also, when did I ever claim they were cheating? You seem to be afraid of them actually cheating I bet! :>
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Modern day aim bots don't use any kind of tracing. They have one frame lock on's during the hit scan which are enabled at a set distance from the head or body depending on a user distance setting. They are completely undetectable on a YouTub/stream frame rate.
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In the thread title? Kinda
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seeing as your title is "A lot of Popular Streamers Cheating?" you have a bright future ahead of you working for buzzfeed or kotaku
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That was a question :)
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You are alleging the streamers may be cheating and insisting there is a pattern that supports that conclusion; i.e. you are claiming they are cheating.
I "must be blind" because I'm not seeing the "pattern" you are seeing.
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There are streamers that cheat?! Shocking indeed if true. Okay, actually not.
I wouldn't bother arguing with wRUKUS either since all he pretty much does is dumbvote anyone who calls out hackers on these forums, and has openly defended known hackers with glaringly obvious proof of their hacking. Not surprising though seeing as RUKUS has like over a dozen friends with VAC banned accounts himself. Gotta stick up for your pals.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEJu_JIg2nk
Do you not see the fucking ESP?! or am i just tripping balls o-o
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The guy with the UI is so trash even with cheats lmao...
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I also hope this thread was a troll, you're just bad.
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Lol I'm blushing to have my video up on your list. None of those people you linked are hacking other than the first link.
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Bushiman and TylerGG are completely legit.
There are some Rust streamers on these very forums that are definite cheaters, however, those two in particular are not among them.
This thread is a good example of an inexperienced individual making accusations based solely out of ignorance. I see zero evidence of aimbotting, and it doesn't appear anyone is using ESP or being coached by another player using ESP (other than the first video, obviously).
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This whole forum is a good example of that.
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You're line of thinking is the exact reason I started streaming so I could play this game without being banned from every server I joined. Since I started streaming it's still been 14 servers. People who are good aimers will have somewhat similar fundamentals on how to aim correctly(yes there is a wrong and a right way). No patches and cheaters def killing the game, but hackusations or people who can't fathom that there are superior players to themselves out there is a huge reason rust has taken a big decline. So people, if someone is better then you, use it as motivation to get better yourself and stop bitching about it. A big problem in this game is the lower skilled shooters in this game can't detect the difference between a good player and a cheater(I'm talking no recoil or aimbot). So stop crying and start practicing because that's what rust needs.
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I'm pretty sure bchillz and tylergg aren't hacking, but ok.
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The reason so many people call hacks is because the game is so cheater infested people just automatically assume they got cheated even if they were killed legit. There are more cheaters then people who can consistently pull off difficult headshots
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If you watch any fps game you will notice the crosshair, in the case of headshots, moves towards the head before the person clicks and *gasp* they get a headshot. I can't believe what I am reading.
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I think its hard for someone who can't aim to understand how these players get those headshots. None of those videos there was any sign of aimbot (I'm ignoring the first one that was linked).
Saying their aim traces to the players head and then they get a headshot..... how else are you suppose to get headshots? Able to get headshots = aimbot? thats nice.
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Yeah, this forum is filled with inferior players, which is okay but know your place, get better and try to become a superior player. This forum is filled with 70% very bad players who accuse anyone who has ammo to shoot, 25% cheaters who get banned and 'don't know why' and 5% superior and better players.
Let's try to change the statistics before making ourselves look like Nigel No-aim.
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Fucking lol thread
"If you notice they all have the same style, all of their cursors move towards the head of the opponent in a SIMILAR FASHION"
MIND BLOWN, ITS A CONSPIRACY OF HEADSHOT AIMBOTTERS, WHY ELSE WOULD THEY ALL AIM AT THE HEAD?
10/10 thread
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Ok I just want to say I know none of these 3 streamers personally or at all. But i have played FPS games for over a decade now and id say I can keep up with them skillwise. I know how much of a pain in the ass it is for people always on your ass for cheating when your just trying to enjoy the game. Thats why I stick up for them. There has been no solid proof of cheating on any of these guys.
And im not trying to make this about me. But please tell me who has vac bans on my steam friends? You say a dozen like its alot but I have over 200 friends... do those dozen even own rust? Because I only play rust with like 2 people. 90% of my list consists of counterstrike and cod players who I used to scrim and practice against. More than likely they dont play rust and I dont talk to them to this day.
Last thing, the reason I down vote you is you come into every thread preaching your shit that you ASSUME. If you have solid proof I wouldnt. But you just talk your crap until everyone id sick of it. It just gets old man.
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Did you get lost on your way to Reddit? We don't have upvoting and downvoting here.
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I do visit reddit more than here, but I meant dumb vote. Woops.
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is this post for real?
The truth about rust is,. "deep breath"
It runs like crap on 90% of the pc's people are on. I get to try rust on a handful of different pc's, and only one is running the game perfect,. and fraps lists the frames @30-50,. it makes no sense.
The best pc I tried (4 hours playtime), runs the game @120 frames, and its garbage,. cant kill anyone on it. hits dont register and the handicap feels vary real, the owner of this pc maintains 4-7.0 ratio in shooters,. and I also tested bf4 on high,. the pc is perfectly fine, just not in rust.
I been playing pc games/fixxing pc's for 15 years, its impossible to spots hacks if your pc runs the game like crap,. it may feel smooth @ 60+ frames,. but if there is a desink issue (steam/windows) (gpu/ram/cpu) or (malware) related then your going to suck..
My point?
Tyler runs the game pretty good, with almost 0 desync,. so is he good? well sure,. but if everyone else is suffering from desync then they will feel handicapped, frustrated, and confused to why they suck so bad, and/or why he is so good..
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OMG more of these, please stop posting this garbage. These guys are skilled and just cause you are not skilled does not mean that anyone which is has hacks. These guys are GREAT shots but miss plenty of times. In your first example video he even almost kills his friend while looking down the stairs and shoots the shit out of him.
Get some skill or get a clue cause all you are doing by posting legit players videos and trying to call hacks is making your self look like an idiot.
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It's not really that complicated... yes some use no-recoil hacks (and I'm positive a lot of streamers do) and you can clearly see if you slip the no-skip through frame by frame that the aim + hit targets don't match with human movement, it's instant-snap.
So yes.. some are likely no-recoil hacks but It's more likely, since they are not using it in combination with other hacks and you can't be banned for this, that they are simply using snap-to -screen POS- mouse macro's.. which isn't even hard to do since rust allows near-instant mouse movements.
IE: Left Click = Fire + Snap-To "Screen Location" - So what happens when you hold left click? mouse-target instantly snaps to center and you still fire rounds. P250's work the same way, every time you click it snaps to the center of your screen (while scoped in or not) assuming you set it there, which you would.
It's the developers fault as well, not taking the proper steps to stop preschool style cheating like this.
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Interesting analysis, Vinures, that would explain a lot. How would the devs combat this? (just curious and ignorant)
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One of these "popular" streamers that I have already pointed out who you have stood up for (because he's a streamer, couldn't possibly be a cheater, all skills right, everyone hating?) when he was confronted with a VAC banned account with an avatar that was the same as his youtube logo claimed it was an imposter account. Okay. Sure, let's assume he's not a liar. He then confirmed which account was his and said that it was his one and ONLY Steam account. This was a very new Steam account and he had videos on his own Youtube channel of himself playing Steam games that were much older than his "only" Steam account. You didn't seem to agree with me...despite the fact that's pretty much blatant proof he's a lying piece of crap. And why would he lie about that...if he wasn't a cheater? Hrmmm.
You've even stuck up for people who personally admitted they were cheaters so I don't know what the hell you would consider proof.
As a sidenote, if you want to know who your dozen plus VAC banned friends are just look your Steam account up on SteamRep. It will show all your VAC banned friends in a nice scrollable list. I didn't say there's anything wrong with having friends who are VACed, just that you seem to have more than a few.
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You're an idiot, These guys are legit.
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Depends on the 3rd party program used. Since most are lay-overs and don't actually inject anything it limits the ways to stop specific types of exploits.
What I would like to see is a link to all the "questionable" streamers SteamID/Account to check on them in a month or so. All of the individuals using VAC Detectable methods will eventually get tagged as VAC adapts to the newer methods of cheating.
I will grant that these videos are questionable. If you are bored enough you can use one of the many methods to download these videos and simply run them through your choice of video editing software. Since the second video has been talked about the most we can go with that. Slow down the video several times and enlarge the area you want to focus on. Wire-frame the screen and change it to pixel view. You will notice he (using the p250 mind you) is actually experiencing less then a pixel of movement in .16 of a second over the course of 1.0 Second. That's 6 shots at a rate of .16 per second with no more then a pixel of movement from the center. (With his first encounter with the man in the window)
Correcting your aim into the same 1x1 pixel area for 6 shots over the course of .16 x 6 (less then 1 second) isn't just unrealistic it's super human.
With that said, there are methods to transform the physical drag of your mouse into a vertical recoil counterbalance using muscle memory. The problem most talk about is the horizontal recoil which can't be predicted, which is true, but you can develop a quick react time with practice for that to. I for one have physically sat and watched a few friends capable of reacting and correcting for horizontal recoil in about 1/2 a second and I've absolutely no doubts there are players who can do much better then that. To put that into context they are capable of virtually eliminating the vertical recoil and correcting the horizontal recoil within an average of .5 seconds. You can take it a step further and change your mouse settings to benefit your drag and reaction capabilities but you can google that yourself to find the different methods.
So it's not to say all of them are cheating but if you are one of the individuals who are CONSTANTLY claiming someone is cheating... you're ignorant.
Same goes for those who are CONSTANTLY claiming everyone is an idiot and everyone is legit are ignorant, naive, cheating themselves, ect.. take your pick.
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Even when Tyler was using his shitty computer and streaming, he was still owning kids left and right. Tyler is just good. There's a reason why he always ran with Slemmy when he streamed as well.
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Not defending anyone or saying its not true, but honestly you call everyone a hacker for "aiming at their heads" as if its impossible to do. Piss off with these baseless accusations, get some proof and come back.
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The new Tyler would make the old Tyler rage an QQ, who are you kidding?
He is good, but lets get real here,. watch his 43 kill hightlight,. kinda obvious people run the game like crap.
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I almost never run into hackers anymore... sure there was a time when there were a lot but VAC and cheatpunch removed a good amount of them. Now I am not saying there are not hacks cause with the way VAC bans in waves people with multi accounts could keep hacking as long as they wanted to keep buying new copies of the game. Its the nature of the beast to which is online gaming. NO game will ever be hack free.
However I think at this point its more badies calling hacks then there are really hackers out there. I play with a 10 year long steam account friend named Tokesh that has hours of game play time on CS ZERO VAC bans on record yet is called a hacker on any server we join. Its very frustrating when I duel him cause he almost ALWAYS wins and he is just a MUCH better player then I am.
I think this tread and treads like it that are calling out OBVIOUS legit players is the problem and the kids that support it. Hackusations > accusal hackers.
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There is a way to create hack-proof games but it comes as a serious cost to performance. It's called the Quad-Check System. Information sent by your computer is checked for values that must match server sided information(all information regarding in-game mechanics must be server-sided only) and is sent back to your computer to verify your "actions" which is sent back and checked against all known values for that "action" if they don't match it's instant-disconnect.
I've seen it in a few games and the only issue is when you have more then 50+/- players the latency can get up to .5-1.0 second delays which completely render the game unplayable.
Now I'm sure someone will come and make the claim "they could just hack into the server and change information server sided. Which is true but the amount of effort and reward vs risk isn't something any real hacker would waste it time playing around with. Not to mention if it's going through the trouble of checking information sent twice - over - it's likely going to have server-side checks to make sure values work against their base/core(physical) settings.
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I only agree with https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X9KQpHN0p1Y. Absolutely 100% aimbotting
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Ok well the only ppl I have stuck up for is tyler bushi and bchillz and I know none of them. I think your findings show he is hiding something. But everyone has something to hide. It is very easy to set up that fake account to make him look bad. Which Is why I dumb vote. I see what your saying.. But at the same time your giving him shit for something you dont have 100% proof of. That could be his account but the vac ban could be completely irrelevant. You just dont know.
And thats a nifty site. I saw the dozen or so you were talking about and I only play with one of them now and then in CS. I might actually clean up my friends list because all of those guys I haven't talked to in years or their aliases I dont even remember. So thanks lol.
The only people I play rust with is Chow and some Rq members. No vac bans. We just like to kos and have fun. So im not pals with cheaters or these streamers. Im just giving them the benefit of the doubt when everyone's giving them shit. From the videos presented there is no cheating besides the obvious esp one..
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