[dustinest]

Hey guys. Hackers, stop that whining you've been banned. Did that myself at my own server.
Now, question to other admins. What I found.
That filthy hacker used shotgun from far away. I log and monitor all the kills. The log shows that distance was only 9.
So, for game it seems like he was standing right next to the victim. Is there any other way to find those, who cheat at ruin the experience of players.
Currently server is mostly undiscovered by hackers, but I am concerned as got higher population last couple of days and it attracted hackers aleready.
PS! Having cheatpunch and truth enforced enabled.

[Prouxx]

Before you conclude that he's hacking, make sure it's not just a game glitch. I'm not sure if people are still having problems with ghosting, but perhaps it could have been that?

[Groin]

Out of curiosity, what happens if you shoot someone and they successfully evade you, but die a few minutes later from bleeding to death? Would that mess it up? (I honestly have no idea)

[dustinest]

Groin. I am monitoring both. damage takeing and kill events.
Just now I had to ban a hacker who shot healthy guy with shotgun. 1 shot. And he was dead. Distance: 9 (rust meters).
We tested this scenario with a naked guy. 9 rust meters. It took about 75% health. Not 100.
Prouxx. I agree, it might be ghosting.
But all that aside, is there any way to find it out better or just rely on players reports and logging?

[Oxameter]

dustinest posted:

Groin. I am monitoring both. damage takeing and kill events.
Just now I had to ban a hacker who shot healthy guy with shotgun. 1 shot. And he was dead. Distance: 9 (rust meters).
We tested this scenario with a naked guy. 9 rust meters. It took about 75% health. Not 100.
Prouxx. I agree, it might be ghosting.
But all that aside, is there any way to find it out better or just rely on players reports and logging?

You literally banned someone for hacking, based on someone killing someone with a shotgun from 10m? Thank fuck I don't play on your server, that's just fucking sad overzealous administration. I've seen full health 1 shots with a shotgun from my own point of view and against me from up to 15m. The spread of the bullets is completely random. Also whats to say this naked guy wasn't injured before the shot? His word? You must be the most extreme of childlike admins who bans anybody who gets a headshot "because it's impossible" ect.

[dustinest]

Oxameter, chill down. That was a question, how to solve it. I agree. Ive been shot to death in full kevlar from close range with a single shot. We tested with nakeds on 10m and it did not work.

So, my question is, how to solve it. I appreciate ideas. We do not like hackers right? How can we detect if it is a player not an hacker.

You, as a good player. Please contribute your ideas of behavior. It is easy to monitor player location, distance, running speed etc.. So what we need is a good algorithm to detect probability and then investigate further.

[Prov3rbial]

...Or maybe you shouldn't ban people for hacking when they likely weren't hacking.

[dustinest]

Prov3rbial posted:

...Or maybe you shouldn't ban people for hacking when they likely weren't hacking.

It is not the solution against detecting hackers.

[Prov3rbial]

dustinest posted:

It is not the solution against detecting hackers.

There's no magic bullet, but the options you have now are pretty solid -- VAC, CP, and seeing things with your own eyes. Speaking of, did you actually SEE this happen?

[dustinest]

Prov3rbial posted:

There's no magic bullet, but the options you have now are pretty solid -- VAC, CP, and seeing things with your own eyes.

Good argument. You say they work?

Prov3rbial posted:

Speaking of, did you actually SEE this happen?

Another good question.
This time I had to rely on logs. Today, added more info there about suspicous activity of shooting and removed those bans.

I agree, VAC and CP should catch them. That time I just had to choose between adult players, which I know and unknown Russian child who does not communicate, Even in Russian, which I speak. And has another VAC banned account.

It is damn hard to administrate server. If i keep that guy who acts suspicious by other players eyes then have to investigate and make the choice. But vice versa, yesterday I had to keep one player who went around and shot everyone. He even did not communicate as he does not speak languages i speak and I do not speak french. But, based on logs everything was legal, just a good player with smoking shotgun:)

Why I am telling that story is that you guys would not thing I am banning everyone. I am banning the guys who are hundreds of meters away and on log I see that it was close range shot.

[Sievers808]

Quite frankly I don't trust mod logs. I'm sure they're plenty accurate but... with all the mechanics changes that all the different plugins make and all that, I just think that it would be easy to install that one mod that totally breaks the logs.

Maybe I'm just paranoid.

[Dionysus9]

How do you know the victim of the 9m shotgun kill had full health? What if he was starving or had fallen and hurt himself?

This is why play on official servers. Mods are all crazy.