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Post #1Okay. So I’m going to go on a lil rant here. I’m not focusing on Garry in particular but overall how Rust has evolved. When I first started playing, I was petrified about the unknown. The friendships I first made will last me eternally in my gaming life. However, as I played more, I started to understand how unfair the game was. I would spend days building to then have everything destroyed by a group of 5 guys who started that night. I don’t know about you and I get this whole “Welcome to Rust” but this game would be so much better if the gameplay was slower. I know its alpha, but am I the only one who thinks this. I now have to search for completely brand new servers to enjoy at least a weekends worth of gameplay before it gets overruled by bandits.
I only found this one called Long Haul or some crap like that which was at least kind of legit cause they made the loot almost impossible to get. However, it’s that little voice in the back of my mind that says “you wait till the big boys get on”. I just don’t know. The point is that is there any legit way of slowing down the gameplay and making everyone equal or is this just “rust”?
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Balance and extended progression are effectively things on the to-do list for the future.
This phase of the game's development is about testing the engine and getting the fundamental mechanics of the game solid and, as much as possible, bug-free. This means that there's not a lot of focus on making lots of things for players to do and extending the longevity of the tech climb from naked to kitted out and ready to take on the whole server, right now.
So it's easy to do.
This will change in the future. Have patience.
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I was thinking the same thing, I used to think the loot was really rare when i was watching the some youtubers, I think guns are wayyy too common, i was hoping it would be more like salvaging, but hey its still in development, I'm just going to take a break from the game and come back in a month
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I agree. You said it better than me but I'm just wondering why we don't have more servers that implement that. I'm honestly not trying to be a shameless plug and I won't put the F1 connect, but the concept that the guys on "Long Haul" had me thinking. Basically they rewrote the entire loot table so it is very hard to get really good. And they are doing a good job at it, they don't have a massive population so I can't really say how it changes with more people but I'm assuming it will be different than other servers because of the slow gameplay. I'm just wondering that if the real hard-core rust gamers (the guys who first started playing rust when it first came out) have stopped playing and we are seeing more of the younger generation coming in with the COD mentality and that server owners are forced to change the gameplay to suit them, instead of before.
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I know same!! the server I mentioned before, they basically made it so that guns are almost impossible to get and they even made some uncraftable. At first I thought it fucking sucked, but then it was sweet knowing that the only real challenge I had was a bow and that the guys who had guns were scared as hell because everyone wanted it. I think that is the way it is supposed to be.
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I think when the game is like 2 or 3 months down the line from now they will have made guns and certain loot a lot more rare like blueprints and all that, i can also see them adding a few more challenging mobs, i still don't think you should be able to craft the revolver straight off the bat...
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Yea, I agree. I actually think the pipe shotgun and revolver should be crafted also. I just think the other guns should be a lot rarer. I really do hope they change it though. I preferred rust in the good ol days.
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What is the IP for this server? I have been looking for a server that isn't as fast paced, and is actually fun at the same time with no luck. I totally agree with you though, the advancement in the game is way too fast. It is not a game development issue as much as a server settings issue. I helped a guy set up a server a couple months ago that I played on, but he couldn't afford to keep it up. The way we set it up was such that you had to actually go out and play the game with minimal supplies, you had to trade and make friends to get what you needed. With the server loot tables and crafting modified properly, you can essentially turn the game back into what most people thought it was when they bought it, and what it ultimately was meant to be.. not this COD bs that it has evolved into..
Let me know and I will go check it out and see what's up!
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hmm I'm not sure if you're allowed to promote servers like that. You can search it on toprustservers under the name "Long Haul". It's pretty fun though!! What's your steam name? I have a base if you want to help out.
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Jacviper007 .. yeah add me and we can play, sounds like fun!
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awesome! I won't be on tonight tho. Tomorrow I will be.
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If it is allowed and for those interested the F1 is net.connect 192.169.80.18:28075
Mods if that isn't allowed then feel free to delete this
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yet, in mine 500+ hours of rust i have found m4 once i think, and bolt 0.. and believe me i looted plenty of crates..
but yeah, after 3 days of playing for a normal cca 4 players group where players are active, you gather sooo much shit and you can basically equip whole server, so if and when you get raided it's basically balanced then (cause you don't loose all your learned blueprints)..
however, problem is (and that's major one) that nobody stays playing on server after they loose all shit.. but they do however go on next server and start from scratch.. (which is maybe the most fun part in game).. so server life is rather short..
i'm speaking how it is on "normal" servers, with max cca 50 players..
it's not different with my group, we play on server until we get fckd, and by that time the server is close to end anyway, whenever community on server just starts to get nice, and most of the players getting familiar with each others, groups making alliances or killing list, next day few groups leave and real quick all goes south and server is either wiped or stays empty..
and start playing on server which is up more then a week doesn't have sense also..
i think that for gameplay itself, the biggest problem atm is number of servers which is ridiculous, and in the same time, not really that much good ones..
it's pain in the ass to find a nice server, with plugins you like, with normal admins, with "normal" players..
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I'd recommend the server Rogue Squadron. It's on toprustservers around number 95 I think. Tons of mods with adjusted loot tables. Admins are dedicated and online every say so no fear of them going awol. M4 and MP5, C4, grenades, and .556 ammo are all uncraftable but can be looted.
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Also, most people on the server don't get butthurt when they get raided. They say gg and rebuild to come after whoever raided them. Very fun friendly server.
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So, I jumped on there and played for a little while. You were right, it is pretty good. People on there were really nice too! Was able to get a basic setup, loot some boxes, and farm a few animals. Econ mod is cool, haven't played on a server with that before. Looks like most stuff you either have to find, or buy through econ, and crates aren't overflowing with endgame items. It was nice being able to play and gather without 5 guys attacking me with full Kev and M4's as soon as I spawned .. actually felt like I was earning the things I got too, which is a nice change of pace.
I'll definitely be on more tomorrow to set up a proper base, just hit me up on steam!
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I played Rogue Squadron before but I still found a ton of guys running around with Kevlar killing people. I also had my day old base completely raided.
The server Long Haul is the only server I've played that I find best suited for long gameplay. I also think that was the intention of the admins. I believe they usually have 6-10 people on at night and I've asked the admins before how many people own a bolt action and I believe they said one person. I don't even think anyone owns c4. I actually think they are onto a good concept but I don't think most people will get it right away because I think the "Rust Gamer" has changed to a more of a COD gameplay style.
With regards to weapons crafted, no weapons can be crafted except the revolver and pipe shotgun so I've had some epic battles with those guns, which I think it was Garry's intention.
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Yea I agree. My whole experience with Rust went from being completely entranced with a server to then it wiping, to me taking a break then finding a group on a different server to then be abused by admins. At that point, I didn't know what to do. Actually, I joined a random server after that, asked to join a group, which I was accepted then with 5 guys playing constantly on Saturday, we managed to overrule the server, raid a bunch of houses and make everyone rage quit. It just sucks when you invest so much time into a server and it turns out there is admin abuse or they don't care.
I think I've finally found a server I enjoy now where the admins are "normal". The biggest part I think is that the core group of guys on the Long Haul server have a similar vision of mine on how Rust should be played.
As I mentioned before it's new and a low population so that might change as it gets more fans but right now I'm having a blast.
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There are some servers out there that run a system that mimics what facepunch has been hinting at for future updates. The only problem with it is that most people just play the default settings (regardless of what they are) and the rest of the community is pretty much on call waiting for a big update. Hell I can't even find a populated battlefield server to warm up on anymore.
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Well updates are expected. I think that is why slow gameplay is so important, because if a wipe occurs, no one really cares. all you really lose is some wood, as the weapons you cherish are so hard to find you usually only have one and you know that after the wipe everyone is in the exact same boat since you cant craft.
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There is servers where people have modified the loot tables and requirements to make things to lengthen the gameplay / make raiding more expensive. One server I looked at made it so once you researched a weapon you still needed a blue print to make it, so there was always a need to farm red bears / wolfs. They also made flares uncraftable so you had to find them which made making c4 take much longer. This all added to bases having time to build up and be more secure before everyone was rolling around with 20c4, m4, and full kev.
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I will probably play on long haul tonight. I am on a good server with good admin, however raiding bases with groups of 5 within a few hours is absolutely possible. I do not like that concept.
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That's not a bad concept, but I still think how Long Haul has made it more interesting because they don't make guns craftable and they are rare, most people are scared to use them because they may lose them or because of the decay.
The only thing is that the whole rad town looting concept seems a bit strange because you spend hours going through boxes to find hardly anything, I guess that's why they added the econ mod because if you're a complete addict to the game, I'll spend all day killing bears to get the cash I need. I did this on the weekend, I must have killed hundreds of bears to get a decent gun but then I was so scared to use it because of like 10 guys with bows hunting me down for it.
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Sounds good, I'll be on tonight after work. I'm usually running around the map screwing with people.
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Can you still make the basic weapons like revolver, hand cannon, pipe shotgun?
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Yes, which is the best part. The players on that game either have those weapons or bows. It's kind of like the Wild West out there but you're not scared to death unless you have something very valuable on you like a pistol. I saw one guy running around with pistol and I knew that bullets are uncraftable and hard to get so that he must have had only like 7 bullet on him, so I decided to stalk him. Then after like 10 mins, I noticed there was 7 guys stalking him. They all ended up rushing him, then it was a full on battle between the 7 guys on who would get the pistol. I never saw so many arrows fly around....I never got the pistol in the end :(
I should also mention it's fairly new and the admin is open to the other players input once it follows his vision of the game. For example, I asked if I could craft a p250 and he told me no. :( but I understand now because it makes the game so much more worth it in the long run.
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Hmm interesting. The server I'm on currently has a population drain happening so maybe I will pop on tonight and check it out. The only down side to having lots of people chasing you with arrows is arrows 2 shot you and you can only dodge so many arrows :P. As long as I can craft a revolver I'm good :)
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Ha. I know what you mean! The server is new so they don't have a massive population and everyone is fairly friendly now. There is one guy and his name is A**Muncher, be careful of him cause he's a lunatic but other than that most guys are friendly. I can't wait till there is a common bandit online, I'd like to see how everyone reacts.
My steamname is the same as this user name so if I'm on, give me a shout.
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Will do.
How does C4 work on that server? only on a find basis I guess?
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I saw that video where the guy had 5 pipe shotguns and each one loaded. So he can cycle between them and have an extremely powerful weapon that had 5 shots (before having to "really" reload).
Does this occur on long haul a lot? I ask because it's hard to get other weapons it seems bandits would move to this technique.
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As much as I agree it sucks when that happens, it's your fault. Build your base better, be more careful about where you build. So much can be said for taking the time to scout a good secluded spot and work on a fortified base. I learned that quickly and don't make simple bases anymore. Be careful who you befriend and how you're seen looting. Most players don't put that much thought into it but that's what makes the game so good. It really makes you think and strategize about not only surviving the elements but other players.
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I could see this being popular, but you would also have to think of the loss of resources if you die. That's 5 pipe shot guns worth which is a fair amount of wood / metal. Would be a risk vs reward deal for sure. Not sure how many people would want to do it, plus with merphys law you would probably get ambushed and 1 shot with someone's pipe shot gun before you could get a chance to fire :P
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This is why I build double or triple thick plus(+) style base, once I hit the size where it is 6-8 c4 to the center stash area, I build another somewhere else. I then split my loot between my bases. This way the raiders cost of 6-8 c4 will never be worth the return he gets by raiding my base.
I also use the multiple bases as a fast travel system to get around the map by suicide to the base I want to work out of at that point of time. IE: Resource mining base, rad town run base, ect, ect. This also helps with retrieving air drops.
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Hmm I haven't seen it yet, but that isn't a bad idea, let's hope A**Muncher doesn't read this :). But really, it's a pretty neat community, it's like a lil small town and everyone is friendly but I'm sure some bandit will come on and cause havoc. One thing that is special though is that the admin has put in the econ mod and made it that if you die 75% of your cash goes to the person but he also put in a "Bounty Mod" so that people can set Bounties on people. This really works well because since guns are rare, people really try get as much cash as possible, I'm sure that if there was a bandit that had a lot of kills, people would be going after him assuming they would get a lot of cash for killing him.
I've also seen guys trying to be bandits with pipe shotguns and it's horribly funny.
It's very balanced right now and the admins seems to really care about that, so if it got out of hand like that, he would find a way to adapt it.
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I agree and I always thought this too, but it isn't fun when:
Admins can abuse
Large clans can easily dominate a server
The fear of losing something is gone
Knowing that everyone is so much further ahead in server.
I was only arguing that with a slow gameplay server like "Long Haul" you avoid all of that. First, you would know if there is admin abuse because it's a needle in a haystack type of thing so if you see a admin with full kevlar and unlimited bullets, you know it's abuse.
Large clans can still dominate, but it's not like they are going through small rad with an M4, everyone for the most part will have a pipe shotgun, and the guys that do have M4's are scared to bring them on runs because the chances of getting a weapon is small and the risk of death is high.
The fear of losing something is real. Right now the server population is low so there isn't a lot of competition for resources, but as it increases, it will get harder to gather. Also because of the custom loot tables everyone is scared to death to die with anything special on them. Getting a P250 is like winning the lottery.
With regards to everyone being miles ahead of you, C4 is uncraftable and only possible on airdrops, which everyone should have an equal chance of getting. It's safe to assume, or at least I think so, that if I joined this server in 2 months that I could be fairly equal with everyone else. Of course, there will be guys who have a ton of cash, but I'm sure if I got together with 5 guys , we would hunt and stalk him.
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Anyone who feels this way needs to check out this server: net.connect 198.143.138.82:28015 because griefing like that is not allowed and players are able to build up a life for themselves before anyone comes along to raid them. This rule is enforced by admins.
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Did you even read my post?
Quit spamming your net.connect
Plus it has nothing to do with the Admins. The admins aren't supposed to enforce rules. They are supposed to maintain order. The server should be built so that rules aren't needed. Rust works because of the freedom and the experiences being created by you as the player not the admin.
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Hey popcornjoey,
How does C4 work on that server? Can it only be found in air drops?
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Hmm I asked the admin that last night and basically he mentioned that it's only in airdrops and isn't craftable. I guess that goes with his whole theory of the slow game play.
Because people seem to be interested, I'll ask the admin to jump in on this discussion tonight if anyone else has more questions.
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I just logged on to Long Haul
Hope to see you soon!!
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Popcorn is self-promoting his or his friend's server. It's a "carebear" server, rife with admin abuse. Avoid like the plague. Admin got killed in Radtown, spawned himself some C4 (on a no craft C4 server with a pretty fresh wipe), blew up our little 2x2 new house and griefed us by placing walls/doors.
Nothing to see on Long Haul but another child admin with rage control issues. Avoid and save yourself some time.
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Well lets tell this story how it was shall we.
The server is not a carebear server(Full PVE), the admins just didn't want you killing fresh spawns or greifing people to drive them away from the server. They warned you multiple times to apply by the rules but you killed him and laughed. The admin killed you and blew open your door then left. I ran by(as we had a few fights prior) noticed the door was open and looted your stuff. There was never other walls blown, or stuff built around your door.
Now I would of rather the admin put a high bounty on your head and let me keep killing you and your cronnies for money in the econ mod:) however, he did it his way as he is trying to build a niche community and prevent people from leaving the server.
If you really had an issue with it, you should of manned up built another little 1x1 or 2x2 somewhere and kept being a bandit while following the rules of the server.
The admin's on this server are trying to build more of a friendly server however PVP(Bandit-isim) is permitted but the rules are no greifing or fresh spawn killing.
I actually kind of like the bounty system :) Anyway, if your looking for non stop pvp action / greifing this server may not be for you, just saying.
I had some good fights with ya tho, safe travels
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Confirmed. Rusty thank-you for the explanation. Also please note Rusty is a member of the server, nothing else.
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I should also note that the c4 came from an airdrop and because the admin had no clue what to do with it, he thought he might as well use it on your group. I understand that it looks bad that the admin has c4 but he does play the game and we did have an airdrop. He was going to throw it away because the population was low but since it picked up a lot last night he figured he would use it on your group. He used the c4, killed you and then left, which I think is rather fair since he found it the legit way.
The reason why he killed you was because you were killing fresh spawns and because your friend (ElvisOfDeath) came on and pretended to be a complete noob so that he could be teleported and wouldn't have to run the entire map to get to your base. The admin didn't want to do that because he thought it would ruining the game experience so he teleported to you and ran with you the entire way. Personally, I don't know another admin that would do that. After that, he was in small rad and got disconnected, when he logged back on, your group killed him, which is fair. But it's just as fair as the admin getting an airdrop. The admin was trying to be friendly until you pulled a card like that.
As for being a bandit, the server doesn't care. It's part of the game, but being a bandit means people are after you. Rustypipe for example got a ton of cash for killing A**Muncher last night because there was a bounty on his head. Then he was able to use that cash to buy a pistol which is rear. The admins won't try to take any experience out of the game, they just want to slow the game down.
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I actually shot them down with a revolver I made with bullets I bought off the econ mod :), well that and duel boom sticks, however I did get really lucky and find a p250 in small rad town, which I plan on using for an event on the server. I will get you guys to put a large bounty on my head and everyone can chase me around until I die. The person who kills me obviously will get the p250 :)
Most of the cash I got for killing people with bounties went into resources for the base. Your home is your castle :)
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haha nice. I'm waiting till the weekend to really go hard at the server. I'll be on tonight but I still need a solid amount of time to build up.
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For the record, this is how it actually went. Keep in mind that this all is centered on the fact that I have been playing 100% legit since the server started 3 days ago, and I was able to get an airdrop crate on day 2 that had 2 C4 in it.
Sophist and Elvis came on the server and immediately started KOS anything that moved, had no interest in talking to anyone or being friendly with anyone.. which is fine if that is how they choose to play. They stalked me and killed me, also fine. We run econ mod, and when they killed me I had 15k gold to my name that they got 75% of when they killed me. I wanted it some of it back, I had gathered and sold resources off and on in Econ for 2 days to get it. Like any other player, I retaliated and killed him back. I asked people on the server if anyone knew where his house was, and they pointed it out to me. I went all the way back to my base 1000m away, and 5 minutes or so later returned with the 2 C4 and the only shotgun I have (also from airdrop). I looked through the crack in their wooden wall and saw that Elvis was standing at his front door, waiting from what it looked like. It was night when this happened and he had his furnace on so it wasn't hard to see him. I tried talking to him over voice chat for 3-4 minutes, and even on the in game chat to try and talk about it and come to a peaceful resolution since I am not hostile towards any player on the server unless they kill me first. (sidenote: another player killed me by accident 20 minutes before this, and we talked about it and laughed it off) He never responded when I tried talking to him, so I assumed he was just going to be hostile towards me. (later through talking with him after I killed him, he said he was afk, but I did not know that at the time). I blew the door with the 2 C4, ran in and shot him. After that I left his base immediately, I did not put up any doors or barricades and I did not take any of his stuff ( when he killed me I had nothing on but some leather and a hatchet because I was gathering and running small rad town). I didn't want his items, just wanted to take my revenge for being killed. His base was 100m from the group of other friendly players that he had been mass murdering for the 30-40 minutes prior to this happening. After he was killed I ran back to my base so I could respond to his immediate ADMIN ABUSE accusations that he was spamming in chat, which itself is a bannable offense. If I was a betting man, I would say that the 6-8 other players he was killing nonstop were the ones that looted the base and did any griefing that took place ( I did not see any of the griefing or I would have had a talk with that player also, as that is not allowed on our server either), but I did nothing other than kill him and leave. I talked with him and tried to have a rational conversation and explain my side of the story, but he didn't want to do anything but accuse me of admin abuse, even though he had no proof, and it wasn't even a situation that was outlandish enough to warrant even suspicion of admin abuse. He kept spamming ADMIN ABUSE in chat, which I asked him several times to stop and even told him that I was going to kick him for it and he continued. He never had any logical reason other than just empty accusations in the 15 minutes of my life I wasted trying to talk to him. He continued spamming, while I continued to try and talk to him rationally, as well as all the other players on the server trying to talk some sense into him so I kicked him with no ban. He reconnected, and I told him to stop spamming or the next one would include a ban. He immediately started mass spamming again and cussing me out, so I banned him.
You know, most admins on servers lie to their players and play under a different name so that they can avoid all the bs accusations like this one. But I don't think that is necessary, I want the people on the server to be able to know talk to me and trust me. Let me set the scene a little for you. Every person that comes on the server gets a personal greeting from me, not though a mod, but through me typing. If I have been afk and a new player has joined while I was away, I make it a point to welcome them when I get back. I run around with nothing on and go talk over voice to new people and they seem to really like and appreciate that. The first day we launched the server, I legitimately found a Bolt Action in a chest. I let everyone know, and even had the server owner watch me as I threw it on the ground and let it despawn. I didn't want to have an unfair advantage over the other players since our pop was only 4-5 people on the first day, so I gave up one of the most sought after items in a rare military server. Then on day 2, I found a shotgun in another crate on my 8th run of rad-town. We had some new people M4TT and Jose the Creator come online, and they happened to run by my base where they stopped to talk. I thought they were nice, and wanted to give them something to help them out. So, I gave my ONLY SHOTGUN to another group since they had nothing. THAT is the kind of admin I am, THAT is why I have spent hours on the drop table and crafting mod, so that we have a server that is fair and fun for everyone. I answer every question, no matter if it is something that can be figured out by using the /help commands or not so that people know that we will take care of them and help them any way we can. Shortly after Elvis joined he got lost at night by Big Rad, and another player was talking to him about it. The other player asked if I could TP him to the other player. I said that I could not because that would be cheating, so instead I dumped all my items at my base, and TP'd to Elvis instead. I asked him where he was trying to get to and he said Small Rad, so I had him follow me from Big Rad back to small Rad, we made it 1/2 way there and he said he knew where he was so I let him continue running. Since I had not written down the coordinates to my base I had to run all the way back to my base. Then 10 minutes later Elvis and Sophist hunted me down and killed me in small rad while I was looking in a box while I was yelling "friendly" and "wait, it's me" over voice. These are the people that are now trashing our server, so personally I don't care about their opinion of our server, they are killers that want to do nothing but cause trouble and run people off the server. Probably because they are bitter server owners or admins from a rival server and are trying to cut out the competition and trash our awesome server.
Everyone I have talked to really likes the server, and appreciates all the work we have put in to make it a server that is set apart from the rest. We had friendly skirmishes and people trading and talking about things we could do for the server to make it more fun for everyone, everything was fine until these two showed up. And Soph, I will tell you like I told Elvis.. if you continue to run down our server for no reason and ruin the other players experience, or spam chat for any reason you can expect the same fate that befell Elvis.
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You don't seem to understand. No one I'm affiliated with wants to play on your server. You're a petulant little child who abuses his admin powers. You couldn't even make it two hours with us on your server before you broke down and violated your own server rules by cheating and griefing.
If people want to play with a whimsical and childish admin that is there prerogative, but for those who want a more legitimate place to play they should have the benefit of being forewarned.
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