[Zoliru]

manolislp posted:

What has happened to the gaming community these days? All i see is a bunch of whiners crying for updates when there is even a warning message on steam that it's an Alpha game. I am on a break as well as the game doesn't have much content into it but i know that there is more to come and i will play on the future. People are missing the point of an Alpha stage i guess, you should help with the development of the game by reporting bugs etc and stop whining and threatening that you'll leave cause you can't have a helicopter or shit

sooooo how many more times we need to report the Pillar baricade bug/glitch that is seriously game breaking to get fixed ?????

Sievers808 posted:

You know, you'd think that they have to please the customer but they already have the customer's money and unless that person is buying more than one copy of the game (unlikely) then they only have to appeal to new players to continue making money.

so you agree that they dont give a shit abbout the player base and the community bicous they got our money allready ????

nice devs we got here..........

meh im taking a break..... waiting for a Big update or allot of smalls.......

gonna play other Alpha/Beta games where huge progress is happening every 1-2 week.....

[Mogguls]

Warm posted:

OP, you simply play Rust too much.

Also:



These have no place in rust. Go back to Battlefield if you want this.

They actually did make models for a helicopter, lol. However I don't think they will add it since they are moving towards more rustic stuff now.

[LITEN-KAKA]

jayfkay posted:

corrupt admins,lack of content/way too linear middleage->modernity life and the impossibity to play on a server thats 3+ days old are keeping me away from the game for now. that and pillar barricade etc. bs

i tried send you message you dont have that on so

[IronOxide]

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

5th on steam...plenty of people enjoying the game as is.

[Kneon]

manolislp posted:

... All i see is a bunch of whiners crying for updates when there is even a warning message on steam that it's an Alpha game. .. People are missing the point of an Alpha stage i guess...

No YOU sir are missing the point of an Alpha stage. When exactly do you think the actual content of the game is supposed to be fleshed out? Beta? Release? Maybe it'll be a DLC.

Alpha is when we should be seeing the most progress being made, the most content being added. Beta is the small fixes and minor additions. For the 1000th time, stop using "It's alpha" as an excuse for why there is no new content.

[Georgi166]

jayfkay posted:

you were not supposed to open your mouth.

Instead of being bu**hurt explain me why am I not allowed to post in a PUBLIC thread.

[StryfeKhaos]

tornainbow posted:

Adding manpower to a project adds overhead. In a late project, the benefits will happen too late hence Brook's Law.

In this case, people are anxious NOW. They want updates NOW. Adding manpower now will probably delay things that would happen shortly, but improve things that would happen later.

So adding manpower is another long term approach that will not immediately solve the problems some people are complaining about, but make them worse. Right now they have made it clear they are working on the engine, which is something that costs now but will pay back dividends later in development. Lots of people aren't happy with that either.

People want updates NOW. If you want them asap then don't add developers now. If you want to look at the project as a whole and sacrifice some delay now for improvement later, then support both the engine development and hiring on new staff and be more patient in the short term.

Brooks's law applies.

Brooks's law doesn't apply because BY DEFINITION Brooks's law ONLY applies to projects that are late.

Yes, it might slow it down current progress for a bit (would we notice?), but not nearly as much as adding people to a project that is almost finished because there is less to learn and more opportunity to innovate. The new guy they recently added seems to have picked things up quite quickly.

Also, I don't think any of the reasonable folks would be real upset if facepunch said "thing are going to be slow for the next few weeks as we get new devs up to speed, but after that progress will be much faster than before." The unreasonable folks might, but the unreasonable folks will complain about everything.

[vemelon]

I love how people always excusing with that "ITS AN ALPHA"-Shit!

So stupid...

[utilitron]

FatFlint posted:

After over 2 weeks of Garry saying his sky was done FP seemed to be unable to make it work. So they purchased a sky from the Unity Asset Store, you know the same place they purchased the animals. After the purchase they hired André Straubmeierm, maker of the aforementioned sky. André Straubmeier can program like a boss it would appear.

According to Andre's twitter account, he contacted Gary for a job, not the other way around.

[Flesh Wound]

Why did you bother announcing this?? I don't care if you're leaving or not. I doubt anybody else does either.

[StryfeKhaos]

Flesh Wound posted:

Why did you bother announcing this?? I don't care if you're leaving or not. I doubt anybody else does either.

Cracks me up all the people who are upset that people post these things and/or don't care, and yet are right here posting responses, as if that will prevent the next person from starting a thread that they won't like.

The fact that you think this post is primarily about communicating to the community that they are leaving leaves me to believe you didn't read any more than the thread title.

[JimmyGaming]

Effect1 posted:

We all have a great time with rust. we are about 10 players, everyone with over 700h rust.
the reason is simple: No content updates.
The last update bring new Stone textures... what now?
Rust is everytime the same. when you have c4 and kevlar, there is no challenge. helicopters and cars are ready since months.

Rust hire more developer!! ore more guys will leave this potentially game with no fresh updates.

greetings

YUP, im leaving too

[Snickerdoodle]

JimmyGaming posted:

YUP, im leaving too

No one cares, and you don't have to spam threads about it.

[Bobylein]

manolislp posted:

What has happened to the gaming community these days? All i see is a bunch of whiners crying for updates when there is even a warning message on steam that it's an Alpha game. I am on a break as well as the game doesn't have much content into it but i know that there is more to come and i will play on the future. People are missing the point of an Alpha stage i guess, you should help with the development of the game by reporting bugs etc and stop whining and threatening that you'll leave cause you can't have a helicopter or shit

Exactly my thoughts! Since gaming went "mainstream" things are getting worse, sadly.

[rapefruit]

rapefruit posted:

The devs definitely aren't going take the fact that you and your friends bought the game, and stopped playing after 700 hours as a failure on their part, so you're going to have to come up with a better threat.

Wait until they've released the update that's been holding up development before you start criticising it.

To the people who voted disagree: how do you think we're actually supposed to give any meaningful discussion on an update we haven't seen in game yet?

You can say they're taking a long time but you there's no point in complaining about it until we see how good it is.

If they actually manage to pull off procedural map generation it'll change way the game is played, which is what the OP's looking for.

[FatFlint]

Snickerdoodle posted:

No one cares, and you don't have to spam threads about it.

I care that these people are all leaving. I like to read about other people who've had negative experiences with FP, Rust, and this highly regulated forum. Odd to me that FP would regulate this place like madmen and leave their official servers totally unregulated.

[SayMeow]

IronOxide posted:

http://store.steampowered.com/stats/

5th on steam...plenty of people enjoying the game as is.

Still not as many as there should be for such a great fucking game.

[Snickerdoodle]

FatFlint posted:

I care that these people are all leaving. I like to read about other people who've had negative experiences with FP, Rust, and this highly regulated forum. Odd to me that FP would regulate this place like madmen and leave their official servers totally unregulated.

I said that because he went in multiple threads at once and spammed the same garbage.

[ArmtageShanks]

Can I haz you're stuff?????

[tornainbow]

StryfeKhaos posted:

Brooks's law doesn't apply because BY DEFINITION Brooks's law ONLY applies to projects that are late.

People are complaining because they feel that the latest update is late. Adding manpower won't make the latest update happen quicker, quite the opposite. Look at each release as a project in itself and you will see why it applies here to the latest release. What you are saying is quite true when your frame of reference is the entire project as a whole, but that is not what people are complaining about. They want the next release now.

StryfeKhaos posted:

Also, I don't think any of the reasonable folks would be real upset if facepunch said "thing are going to be slow for the next few weeks as we get new devs up to speed, but after that progress will be much faster than before." The unreasonable folks might, but the unreasonable folks will complain about everything.

Haha, yes indeed. I don't think the reasonable folk are the problem either.

[hippowombat]

Georgi166 posted:

Instead of being bu**hurt explain me why am I not allowed to post in a PUBLIC thread.

Why did you bleep out butthurt?

Edited:

vemelon posted:

I love how people always excusing with that "ITS AN ALPHA"-Shit!

So stupid...

So is it totally okay when a professor gives you an F on your essay when he's only recieved the rough draft?

[FatFlint]

Snickerdoodle posted:

I said that because he went in multiple threads at once and spammed the same garbage.

All you do is spam multiple threads every day, look at your post count. You know the old cliche about the pot calling the kettle black, right?

[Snickerdoodle]

FatFlint posted:

All you do is spam multiple threads every day, look at your post count. You know the old cliche about the pot calling the kettle black, right?

Please, show me what spam you're taking about.
I've been a part of this community for years. I post a lot, but I don't post the same stupid shit in every thread. Quit bitching just because my post count is high. It's irrelevant.

Learn what it means to spam and don't just pull random lies out of your ass.

[SevenStars]

I have a feeling that the next update will be a big one, I'm just hoping that they intend to work hard on it to prevent any game breaking issues. Hopefully the next update will bring a lot of the players who have found that they've taken the most out of this game back.

[Snickerdoodle]

SevenStars posted:

I have a feeling that the next update will be a big one, I'm just hoping that they intend to work hard on it to prevent any game breaking issues. Hopefully the next update will bring a lot of the players who have found that they've taken the most out of this game back.

Considering it's been this long and they've been working on procedurally generated maps, I think the next game update is going to be a real treat.

[Angusoid]

Why people cry so much? Aww 3 days old server and people harass you? (GO PLAY SIMS PLEASE!!!).

[Hausi]

Zoliru posted:

sooooo how many more times we need to report the Pillar baricade bug/glitch that is seriously game breaking to get fixed ?????




so you agree that they dont give a shit abbout the player base and the community bicous they got our money allready ????

nice devs we got here..........

meh im taking a break..... waiting for a Big update or allot of smalls.......

gonna play other Alpha/Beta games where huge progress is happening every 1-2 week.....

Show me that beta and alpha game pls ! Huge progress every week hahaha i pissed myself

[VenomousBeetle]

vemelon posted:

I love how people always excusing with that "ITS AN ALPHA"-Shit!

So stupid...

In this case it's fine. We aren't discussing Overgrowth here.

Edit:

It's actually not even stupid at all since we're discussing no physical update when there's all the trello updates, for a game that you were told at purchase wasn't a release.

FFS people need to stop buying alphas expecting a full game

Edited:

Also lol @ those charts are you even aware of everything that happened this month? Of course RUST would have a slight drop in players.

South park stick of truth, Dark souls 2, Diablo 3 xpac, Everquest Landmark, fucking Titanfall.

You'd have to be stupid if you think a supposed drop in players this month means the game is dying, especially when it's not even a full release.

[MrTHC]

I'm leaving also, for my own reasons, not that anyone cares or that it matters.

The reason that I'm leaving is because there have been multiple game breaking bugs and exploits that have been around far too long without getting fixed or even getting an acknowledgement from the developers. Things that ruin days of work in 10 minutes should be a priority if you want to have any alpha testers left to test your game. Just check the bugs/exploits forums:

http://facepunch.com/forums/419

Servers have been more empty then ever.. I hope to come back to a more secure game in the near future.

[VenomousBeetle]

How do you "leave an alpha" anyway? Just uninstall it and bluntly refuse to play it even when it's done? Besides that I also don't get how this is an effective form of protest.

[Daze507]

Yeah, Brooks' law... Written in 1975. Software engineering has evolved a lot since then. Like al lot of what is taught in IT universities, this is an obsolete concept.

[Balth16]

The whole trend in game development for the last couple of years has been towards prefunding by end customers instead of funding by publishers. Kickstarter, Steam early access etc.

This is part of the problem.

I'm sure that as a developer it's very nice to avoid having a publisher standing over you pointing at a deadline in his calendar, and yelling that you have to stick to the deadline or he will pull your funding.
So to avoid this, developers have turned towards the end customer, who feel that they will be part of "a community" by pre-funding the game, and who can buy themselves beta access, which used be notoriously hard to get for quality games.

But guess what - instead of getting pressured by the publishers, the developer will be pressured by the people who have now funded it, the end customers. Taking people's money and then calling it an alpha and thereby trying to avoid any kind of pressure is just not going to work in the long run. If people pay money they will demand something in return that roughly matches their expectations when they pay.

You can present them with all kinds of warnings about alpha stage and don't expect this and that, they will still expect something better than a situation where every time anybody complains about anything they are met with "Oh, but it's an alpha, so shut up".

And let's face it - it's not an alpha - you can call it whatever you like, but in the traditional meaning of the word, it's really neither an alpha or a beta. If it was there would be a much more rigid structure for bug reporting/feedback, and it wouldn't cost money to take part in it. I admit that perhaps these days the definition of an alpha is slowly changing towards something like this, but it's certainly not an alpha in the traditional sense of the word.

[VenomousBeetle]

Balth16 posted:

And let's face it - it's not an alpha

good thing I saw this part before reading your post or I might've read it all

[Kneon]

VenomousBeetle posted:

good thing I saw this part before reading your post or I might've read it all

Shit post. All you did was say "TLDR". Either read it all, or don't rate it and post.

[Sir Walrus]

should the devs let you guys know when they go to the toilet aswell?

[VenomousBeetle]

Kneon posted:

Shit post. All you did was say "TLDR". Either read it all, or don't rate it and post.

Actually I posted something here that I decided fit better in a different thread and moved it and that's what I left behind instead of -snip-


Also you joined a month ago, don't tell me what the standards for posting are, especially in the rust forums, the worst subsection on the entire site.

[Kneon]

VenomousBeetle posted:

...don't tell me what the standards for posting are...

Can. Did. Will continue to do so. I would expect you (and everyone else) to do the same thing as part of forums.

[VenomousBeetle]

Clearly you're in the wrong website

[EnderRay]

got this game instead of dayz,because i thought it would be faster development.

[VenomousBeetle]

Wasn't DayZ developed longer by a few years?