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It is near impossible to go out in the night and use a flashlight as you get shot via people using gamma from a distance which the flash light can not see. So many people are now using gamma, is it allowed? Is it cheating? Is it banable? Am I allowed to use it without being banned? Can someone shed some light on this 'gamma' for me? With as much information as possible, if it's allowed etc. Thanks, because I'm fed up of being a guy who does not use it in my almost 500 hours of playing and being at such a disadvantage.
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You won't be ban. If you are blatant and you kill an admin you might be ban. Its shit. I never used to do it but after being killed in pitch black I had to.
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It can't be a banable thing. How would you know that my gamma is turned up? You can't see my monitor. If someone is smart enough to raise the gamma of their screen so they can see then kudos to them. This has been going on for years now, and has been done in games like Arma and DayZ.
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^ I mean things such as a VAC ban, not a ban from a individual server which admins have control of, that's a server rule, I'm talking about an overall rule for the game, like if you hack you will be VAC banned, does the same apply to gamma or..?
Also ^GinJa, what if you change the settings of your GPU to increase gamma and not the monitor? Can be banned then?
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Stevie, I am not sure if it is allowed or not. But it is an abuse for sure... You shouldn't see in the night
But actually, there is absolutely NO way to check or proove that you have changed your gamma, so NO way to "VAC ban" you.
As someone said, an admin can ban you because he thinks that you are using gamma by evidence but it is all.
In fact it is EXACTLY the same issue with the little piece of tape that people are using in the middle of the screen to improve aim with the bow... It's bad but can't be seen.
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I have always named it abuse, and dislike it, but when i'm constantly losing sets of kev and wasting my time to be killed at night or being forced to stay inside, it's pointless not using it. So much of the community uses it. But I am not a hacker, and would not want to be banned for using something that is classified as the same kinda thing as hacking, just would like to know if its only 'frowned upon' by the server admins. or VAC banable :s
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It is 'frowned upon' depending of the server you are, just ask the admins of your server.
There is nothing officially said by VAC so don't worry. Again, you can't be catched !
You are doing nothing bad as you just exploit an opportunity that the game offer in it's "vanilla" version.
It is not an hack (no software used to modify the game or add some features), but it is an abuse because it gives you an advantage against other players.
It is just an ETHICAL question.
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a simple screen config isnt a cheat ... how could i explain it ?
Personnal choice of how you wanna play.... how couuld it become a ban ethical question O.o
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^ Okay, that's all the information I needed about nothing being official via VAC. Thank you guys for the insight and information, I really appreciate it.
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Because you have to choose between playing with or without advantage. Because choosing with is knowing that you are gonna kill players that are using a Torch !
Because choosing without is becoming the guy with the Torch !
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You can change the brightness etc on your monitor using your monitor settings but I highly wouldn't recommend using any third party programmes as yes, you may get banned for doing so.
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You cannot be banned by VAC for changing your gamma. Gamma settings are defined by your monitor, not your in-game files. VAC only bans modifications/injections into Rust's files or runtime memory.
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Torch is a suicide anyway ? before the new moon i was full blind during the night ... exept the horizon, and this is enough to run with out torch ... dumb if you put your light on (and if you are not making a trap ^^)
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If you have in game ethics and you are worried about it being wrong (which you do, if you've asked this question), don't use gamma to stalk or kill people. If it's just a matter of being able to see, maybe gather resources or survive during rad runs, use it. It's not hurting anyone.
If you want to use gamma to use your bolt action at night, snipe, or stalk new spawns running around with torches, then that is just weak. The weakest, lamest players do this.
I play in daylight only servers because the night time is useless with gamma. It will be used whether people complain or not, and 75% of the server has gamma on, the new players (new to pc and rust in general) are the only ones running around with torches. A torch is suicide, period. Gamma or not, a torch is guaranteed death. However, gamma is as bannable as turning up your game volume to hear people coming from a distance better. It's just a setting on your computer to help you see better.
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I don't use gamma to bolt people. If I were to use it, it would be to be able to fire at people who are using gamma to see me, so I'm not defenceless, gather resources or do rad runs, but it's great to know it's not banable, I hate being at a disadvantage to others using gamma at night.
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"Imma get these resources while no one else can so I can craft shit and fuck the up"
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All you people saying that you use gamma to get even with other gamma people...
That's like every single cheater ever
PREVENTIVE VAC BAN EVERYONE
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Love it how people say it's simply an "excuse" to claim people use it because others do.
It's not an excuse, it's the truth. And i really think people should either stop crying and play the game like they want. With or without gamma.
Why wouldn't you use it if it's so easy. instead of fapping at your campfire at night you can actually go get resources or do something usefull.
Now i got a fair chance to fight people at night.
(not talking about assaulting people, but simply if they attack me)
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I don't do it as I am too lazy to change it back again after,
But it is wrong! Like stealing of a child, Its easy and your not gonna get punished!
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If you shot me from 100m away in dead of night and I had no light source on, and I was an admin, kicked and banned. People are that blatant with it. It doesn't rewuire intelligence, its cheating. You have an advantage over another player who doesn't know how to or chose not to use it.
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no you do not have an advantage over another player, god damn u even said it yourself "CHOOSE not to use it". exactly its your choice notr to turn your gamma up, or not find out how to turn it up. its a simple graphics card/monitor settings.
absolutely rediculous that people are trying to call a slight gamma increase cheating, lmao wow.
So because i have a benq monitor with Black equalizer feature(google it) that BUILT IN feature is cheating to? no and just like gamma, a settings on everyones screen, is also not cheating,
Gamma increasing has been done in every online game and basically by serious gamers for a very long time, because it helps, and everyone can do it, which makes it not cheating.
step up people, either use it or dont. i will keep my gamma raised and guess what, you can to, and if not then cry elsewhere. it has been and always will be done in gaming. man threads crying about gamma by noobs really irks me haha, glhf happy rustin.
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Its cheating. You are so stupid. An honest non cheating player wont use it. You're playing the game outside thr scope it eas designed. Night was night. You modified your driver settings to bypass a phase in the game designed to eliminate vision.
Whats the differencr between someone who uses a light hack vs a gamma modder? Nothing. They both cheated. They both chose to cheat.
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Hey, guys.
I tried advocating this definition in the other thread to no avail, and I will advocate it here. Talking about "unfair advantage" and "fair advantage" makes pinpointing what cheating is very difficult—and everyone ends up in these arguments that don't go anywhere.
If a person is circumventing a purposeful in-game restriction, they are cheating.
This definition is short, sweet, and to the point. It may have its flaws (as all definitions do), but I think it's a far more accurate way of determining whether or not something is cheating. If someone is bypassing the restricted visibility of night, they are cheating. If someone is turning up their mouse sensitivity, they are not cheating (because there is no purposeful implementation restricting how fast you look at things). On the other hand, if, say, there were some kind of status which slowed down how fast a player could turn around—and someone turned up their mouse sensitivity to counteract this status effect—this person would be cheating.
Trying to compare gamma to hacking, using loaded phrases like "gamma modder", talking about fair or unfair advantages, etc. just makes everything difficult. We'll never come to a conclusion with such muddy, gray ideas.
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Can everyone turn up their gamma...yes
Does gamma involve injecting/running a script or altering game files in any way shape or form...no
Gamma isn't cheating, is it an exploit I suppose since it wasnt intended by the developers but its not as though the playing field isn't level. You choose not to turn your gamma up thats on you, you can still do it and not be disadvantaged. Getting really tired of the carebears crying about this tbh.
Your definition of cheating is flawed, there's a reason its not catching on.
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Yeah. Fuck these carebears. Fuck respect for other players. Fuck honesty. Fuck fair play.
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Actually, it's cheating, not exploiting
Cheating is to gain an advantage using unfair means
Exploiting is using unintended features of situations to gain an advantage
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If your definition of cheating, in contrast to mine, is "Anything that involves injecting/running a script or altering game files," then I bring up the example of using glitches to get through doors, which requires neither of the above. I consider this cheating, and I think others do too.Sicker posted:
I think my definition of cheating is much simpler and covers all of the basis. It is a pretty easy metric by which to figure out whether or not something is considered cheating; there's no need to try to quantify all of a player's potential "advantage" and how "fair" or "unfair" it is.
In fact—this way, the differences between "fair advantage" and "unfair advantage" aren't even issues anymore. The definition is consistent to the extent that it's as simple as saying "Players who have an advantage without cheating have a fair advantage. Players who have an advantage with cheating have an unfair advantage." There's no need to have to have a whole debate dissecting whether or not increasing mouse sensitivity, turning up volume, aimbotting, speedhacking, or looking at your screen really closely is cheating. It covers most of the bases, and is consistent with most of what's already considered cheating. I think the things that it covers that people disagree on (i.e. - changing gamma to see clearly at night) are things that people are mostly defending just because they like doing it, not because it may or may not actually be considered cheating.
For example: Consider a program that worked without altering/injecting/interacting with a single Rust file; one that simply increased and decreased your gamma depending on a time-interval you manually set according to whatever server you're playing on. Call it Rustic_Night_Vision.exe; you open it up, set an interval, and click "run". Then just play Rust as normal, letting it alter the gamma for you.
I think most people would consider this cheating. I think what's holding people back is the fact that people like doing it, so they're reluctant to admit it's cheating.
(Now, if the OP's question is: "Does changing gamma constitute a VAC ban?" — I am mistaken. No, it does not constitute a VAC ban. But I do not think this is what the question is.)
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There is a huge difference. Changing your gamma either through hardware or software methods change your gamma. That's it. Lighthack, as far as I understand it, literally hooks into the game and makes things more visible in a way that changing ones gamma can simply not achieve, which is a big reason why VAC bans it. It changes the light values from within the game, it doesn't rely on enhancing slight lighting differences as a gamma change would.
I'm not saying that changing gamma shouldn't be considered 'cheating' to some degree, but considering you could achieve the affect by pushing a few buttons on your -monitor- through means completely separate from the software or hardware of your computer, it isn't nearly as bad as literally hooking into the game and changing the lighting data entirely.
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Alright, I agree with this, but now I'm wondering, is the lack of gamma controls from within the game a purposeful in-game restriction or is it just a failure to implement a feature within the game? Unless the actual developers say otherwise, I think it's really up in the air whether it is or not.
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To answer the OP, you can not be VAC banned for changing your gamma unless the method used hooks into the game in some way. If you're using your standard NVidia or ATI control panels, you should be safe. If you use an external program other than your default control panels, you may have some issues.
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dunno if sumones wrote it cba to read the other posts but if you manually change your gamma then no you wont get banned simple. But however if you use a program to change it for you then vac will detect this and ban you or cheatpunch will see it and ban you.
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It's the second or third topic includes "does gamma change counts as cheating or similar ? Creating these kind of topics only will bring more mess to the forum in my opinion.
Several people answered these kind of questions,use the search button.
If you are not injecting something into the game files to change gamma (which does not makes any sense) you will not get banned by VAC.
Leave the Rust files alone and you will not get VAC ban,if you mess with them.You can be banned,that's the easiest answer i guess
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It's pretty easy figuring out wether something will give you a VAC ban or not.
Using software that is "attached" to the game process, interfers with hex/memory or alters the game in any way will result in you being banned.
Using software that isn't attached nor related to the game in question will not result in a ban.
This software can range from using your video card driver to setup a key/macro to increase/decrease brightness/gamma, screen markers (draw a crosshair on desktop), keyboard/mouse macro's for various functions (crouch+run- or hotbar spam macro) etc.
Is it fair? No it's not fair. But it's not considered "hacking" either. One can argue that both things would be considered cheating and he wouldn't be entirely wrong. Considering that any of the above "enhancements" can give you a significant advantage compared to someone who's playing "on default". That said it's not remotely close to what advantages "hacks" will give you and won't put them in the same category.
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Ask yourself this, if you walk outside at midnight are you completely blind or do your eyes adjust after a few minutes. This shit about you shouldn't be able to see at night is the most retarded argument ever. I'm not for or against gamma changing. Gamma changing has it's drawbacks too, it's not all beneficial.
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Adjusting your gamma isn't an offence, besides that's not how VAC works. Gamma controls on screens are there for a reason, personally I can't actually be bothered to change the gamma. That's like saying increasing your mouse sensitivity should get you banned.
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I do not think the lack of gamma control from within the game is a purposeful, in-game restriction. It is a failure to implement a feature within a game.DrFreenote posted:
I think drastically reduced visibility at night is the purposeful, in-game restriction we're talking about, though. If there were an in-game option to change gamma, and people used this in-game option to increase their gamma at night such that they could see clearly—it'd be put in the same boat, and considered cheating.
This is why I think this metric for what is and isn't cheating is a good one. It covers a lot of situations without a lot of ambiguity. It doesn't matter whether or not the feature used is in-game or out-of-game, a hack, glitch, or bug. If a person is circumventing a purposeful, in-game restriction, they are cheating.
(Mind you, I don't think anyone should try to attempt to VAC ban someone who changes their gamma; actually going about detecting such a thing would take way more effort than it was worth. This is just a metric for what people should consider cheating—not hacking)
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It is cheating and you can be banned but the only way you can be banned is if a admin thinks your using it. Other then that you cant get banned from rust just from individual servers but that's rare because most admins allow high gamma. But ya its technicality cheating but its not bannable what so ever when it comes down to anti cheats because its just a PC option not a hack.
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By the definitions being used labeling it "cheating", turning up the volume is also cheating. It is identicle to gamma in every single aspect. Super hearing (was not intended), super vision (was not intended).
Your sound should be at 50% (because everyone is EXACTLY THE SAME, our hearing is all identicle -- as is our vision apparently), as you can hear sound per distance. The louder your volume is turned up, the sooner you hear someone coming. If you tweak your volume, you are giving yourself an unfair advantage over someone who doesn't tweak their volume.
If you are saying turning up the volume is cheating, it's easier for us to see how silly the argument and definition you are using for gamma is.
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You should probably start sending emails to all monitor manufacturers and tell them to not make gamma adjustable. See where that gets ya.
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I addressed the volume comparison pretty clearly in another thread (... actually, I think directly towards you, thelionessa, so uh... you pretty well that's not what I'm saying. Why would you bother to say that?)
That is, turning up one's volume does not circumvent a purposeful, in-game restriction. Seeing at night, on the other hand, does.AmagicalFishy posted:
Again, this metric does not depend on who does or does not have an advantage. If a player w/ higher volume has an advantage over a player w/ lower volume—well, that's fine and dandy, and also totally independent of this definition.
Unfortunately, drawing from here and from the last thread, I don't think you're particularly interested in resolving a conflict as much as "winning," and thus I will not be further responding to you—no offense intended.
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you know* pretty well (typo!)
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And I saw that in the other thread. Hearing, like vision, is a sense. If you are arguing that one sense is more important than the other, so one is cheating, I disagree. If you are arguing that turning up the volume to get an advantage is cheating, then I am saying your entire argument is silly and not worth anyones time. It puts things in perspective for those of us who really think anyone worried about our gamma seriously needs to get a grip. You know?
If those gamma pitchforks are also in arms with turning up the volume, I am totally okay with being on the other side of the fense on this one.
We can agree to disagree and move on. I'm okay with being on the "bad evil" side on this issue. As I don't see a problem with turning up the volume or fixing my gamma when I can't see anything.
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