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Ok so after much time put into rust I have noticed a few things. In my opinion I feel that the developers are treating rust more like a beta rather than the alpha that it is. For example they are pressured by the community to fix bugs and improve small things, pretty much polishing. Rather than just adding on to the game as it is only 10% finished. To me this is like polishing a car that only has the wheels on it. They are starting to take baby steps for example their upcoming update with actual add ons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xoi5GNvls8c . But I do feel like it is just too small of an update for how long we have all waited.
I will be doing a follow up post on this subject but I need to hear the communities perspectives and opinions before I do that. What is your opinion on the progress of rust ?
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Because putting in the new UI, which was holding back adding game mechanics and features, is polishing.
Because creating the item editor to make it so that anyone on the dev team can add items, a critical tool that removes a huge bottleneck in adding items, is polishing.
Because critical bugfixes like airdrops and foundations being broken are "polish".
Do you not understand that alpha is the main drive for bugfixing because this is when the foundation of the whole game is laid down? You build the foundation and get it solid, and then you add content.
For the car metaphor, it isn't polishing the car that only has wheels on it.
The devs are making sure the engine doesn't catch on fire when you put it into second gear. You're asking for the dashboard to get more dials added to it when most of them aren't wired in at all because, as established, the devs are still making sure the engine doesn't spit flames out the back when they rev it up.
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To me there is a big difference between early alpha (rust) and late alpha (polishing). The UI is the only tweak I see necessary at this time, the fact is the moment they add in more stuff which they obviously are going to do they are going to have to re polish other aspects just to make it all sync in harmony. Might as well focus on building the games foundations rather than prettying up the bare bone foundation that we currently have.
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The only thing that's Polish here, is me.
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Sorry, I have literally registered on these forums solely to make this retarded joke. Don't mind me.
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the item editor site isn't secret I'm pretty sure garry posted a link to it already. also elix is right they said that the old ui sucked and was stopping them from doing things. I think they want to make the game not broken and then add things in.
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I feel like they are getting pressured from the immunity to make it more "playable" which is distracting them from adding on to it.
Keep the opinions coming I really want to hear how the whole community feels!
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is this the longest "early alpha" or somthing it have been in that for fucking 7+ Months now, its gonna be fucking awesome!
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Yeah it feels weird, that they add a nice sky and stuff, but don't progress on for example the replacement of the rad animals. Or at least don't tell us about it. Also the idea of the procedural map generation is too early IMO. Better keep playing on this map, add other content AFTER "the foundation" is laid and then advance to big projects that will change the complete game like the map generation. I feel like if they add it too early it will cause bigger problems than it will solve.
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It better be awesome after this amount of time. They better come up with something crazy like jeeps to make up for it hahaha:D
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ofcourse it's going in the right direction, they're going to add frickin' dinosours
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Rust have no direction. LoL, they already have enougth money to live 4ever, fuck we they live well :)
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If they just added a bunch of broken shit in, this game would be no different than DayZ or 7 Days To Die. I commend them for adding features that actually work and are not buggy 98% of the time.
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garry newman posted:
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Honestly op when I look at the patch notes I am a bit disappointed that we don't get any new content, but it feels like a large update in terms of just fixing shit up and adding code. The bugs that arise when they add new features (decay) can take a while to iron out, and probably aren't as easy to fix as everyone assumes they are. I mean it must have taken them forever to find and then fix the airdrop bug, (which fixes a major gameplay issue for a lot of people). I like that they are taking their time to make sure the final product is adequate, instead of rushing to add in as many different ideas as they can and leaving us with a shallow, buggy, poorly made game.
Try waiting on Dwarf Fortress updates and someday you might learn the meaning of patience ;)
As for whether or not rust is going in the right direction, right now it has no direction, we're just floating in the river waiting for some kind of major content update to shake things up (hopefully soon).
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They goddamn better add dinosaurs! Edited:
I think everyone is just waiting for a huge change. The gameplay right now is very shallow and has no real depth however they do have a great game! Patience is a virtue I guess :(
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I don't know if Rust is going in the right direction, it is hard to gauge a direction from something that is barely moving.
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Dinosaurs, seriously... Oh god, all the amazing stuff you can think about you come up with dinosaurs? Good news, there are a few games out there for you dinosaur fan..
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If you're going to think they will add stuff like that in a short period of time.. You're going to have a bad time.
If you think this Alpha stage will be over soon then you will also have a bad time..
Wouldn't surprise me if this Alpha stage is going to last for atleast a year.
I'm cool with that, most games take a long time to actually finish up.
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Well they totally destroyed gmod with gmod 13, it's an extremely buggy and unstable game which will remain in this incomplete state thanks to development efforts being on Rust.
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I feel like they don't really have a clear vision on what they really want rust to become. They were caught off guard on how popular rust became to be honest.
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it becomes more and more rusty = it goes the right direction
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Are you sure about that? garry doesn't have to obey the results of that poll. He explicitly stated that the poll was to gauge the community's feelings about a certain choice, and it wasn't military, dinosaurs, or bringing back zombies. He didn't specify which option he did care about, but my money is on mutated wildlife (but not humans).
Sorry, dino fans, probably out of luck.
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Why would you put all the effort into making a mostly-finished game and then decide that then is the time for the total overhaul to the map system? Wouldn't it make the most sense to build it in as early as possible? That puts it into testing as early as possible, as opposed to being a feature that gets shat out late in beta and is still buggy as fuck on 1.0 release.
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Hopefully they really commit to rust
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My main question is do you think they are handling the development process well considering it is early access alpha?
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I think it's too early for any of us to say really... not to mention that none of us really know exactly what direction they'll take it.
So for now, just chill out, enjoy the game as much as you can, and then come back after a few months and check it out again.
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http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?...1#post44306913
Somehow I don't think the devs feel too pressured by the community...
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The game has actual been out for a bit, I hope they do not lose players who lose interest. Do you think you could come back after a month or would you forget about it?
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Thanks for all the input I will make the video on this in the next couple of days :D
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The game hasn't been "out for a bit." The game technically isn't even really "out" yet but that's unimportant and just debating about wording.
I would come back after a few months, because I won't just forget about a game that I put hundreds of hours into. I'll always see it in my Steam library, I'll see when it updates, I don't think it'll be quite as easy to just forget about a game like that.
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Hopefully it grows to be the great game that we all can see it becoming.
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I'm sorry, this is stupid and nitpicky, but you should put your responses under the quoted text.
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I'm even going to rate myself dumb for saying this lol. Nvm, I can't self-rate... surprised I've never tried that before.
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haha ok my bad :p
I'm sorry, this is stupid and nitpicky, but you should put your responses under the quoted text.
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I'm even going to rate myself dumb for saying this lol. Nvm, I can't self-rate... surprised I've never tried that before.
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So just to clear up the general consensus
The way I see it rust is focussed obsessively on polishing instead of add ons. Opening the game up to the public for discussion is great and all but sometimes the developers need to execute their own decision instead of frantically trying to satisfy all of the players. I love rust and I think what the developers are doing are amazing but I just hope that they carry out THEIR dream and keep in mind others.
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Give this game 1 month, by April 26th I'm sure they will have added a huge update. I'm kind of getting sick of people bitching about the game now, nobody is even providing suggestions anymore, it's just a bitch fest. And the suggestions that do get added are fucking terrible, it's time we all stop posting and just WAIT A MONTH.
If you want to complain about the game don't bother, just post new ideas or don't post at all. If you want to force the company to update then simply protest by not paying any attention to the game, once the community disappears the dev's will know what to do. Until then they don't see all the complaints, they see popularity and user base. As long as people are talking about Rust they can take all the time they want, it's once people STOP talking about Rust that Garry will bring something new to the table.
So retire your forum accounts!
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What you call polishing is what others call establishing a strong foundation so that adding in templatable content, or "add ons", down the road is more efficient and reliable with minimal wasted work. You're looking at page two of the devs' priorities.
Have. Patience.
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I don't get why people want them to keep going, I mean man I already got near 600 hours in rust. I got all my moneys worth and then some. It could stop now and I wouldn't even be mad.
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I want them to keep going because it has so damn much potential and it can be so much more.
Also, I don't get how people can play this for 300+ hours. It started feeling absolutely senseless after about 250h.
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Right now the game is completely imbalanced, we need user created mods to attempt to balance the game.
I would focus more on baby stepping away from COD combat than adding tons of new items.
I think the real problem is the players are forgetting this is an alpha game, and they are going to do what they feel is best in regards to content. There is no reason people should be blowing up huts with c4 and shooting everyone with m4's 2 hours after a wipe.
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No, you need patience. Balance is not a key feature of alpha.
Your feedback is also less valuable to the devs if your Rust gameplay experience has been severely altered by gameplay mods that "fix" problems. You're not playing Rust anymore, you're playing Rust and then a bunch of random changes to the ruleset, which is not what the devs need help testing.
You want Rust to be finished, but you're going to need patience, because that's a fair ways off.
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