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Post #1I don't know if some of you guys played the game STALKER, but amongst all the survival games I had to play, STALKER was probably the one giving the deepest atmosphere in regard to surviving in the environment (especially with Atmosfear graphics enhancement mod)
Sure, the game drops you tons of guns and ammo, but that's not where its magic resides. It's in that moment, where you are crawling under the rain, in these swamps, surrounded by radioactive garbage, and suddently you see that flash, the skies turns red, and when you turn around, you see this giant atomic mushroom defacing the sky. You then have 30 seconds to reach a safe spot, or die of the radioactive blast hurling towards you...
And if you survive this, you will still have to endure the acid rains, magnetic storms, and dangerous enemies that you do not want to angry at all.
STALKER gives you that feeling that you have to survive in a dire and unforgiving environment.
I don't know what is your opinion, but the STALKER dev team had it all right there.
What kind of survival game would not focus on building basic layers of survival?
Each of those gameplay layers build an additional threat on a player:
The first layer is the dynamic condition of the weather (rain, fog, cold, wind...)
The second layer is the dynamic condition of the day (sun, moon, eclipses, magnetic fields, fictive stellar objects...)
The third layer can be the dynamic conditions of the map itself (events occurring on the structures of the map, like a twister destroying a house, a tree falling down, a crack opening on the ground)
The fourth layer is the dynamic condition of the player status variables (health, hunger, thirst, stamina, etc.)
The fifth layer is the threat of natural beings (wildlife)
The final environmental layer is advanced AI enemies, the main threat as per the story designed for the game (zombies, dinosaurs, boomers, whatever)
On top of that you had crafting, skills, buildings and resources scarcity to spice your recipe to make it deliciously AAA.
With all these layers properly integrated, you can definitively have a challenging survival experience.
I am sad to admit it, but in regard of all the levels of gameplay that can be developed in the survival gaming genre, Rust is only at 10% of being an attractive survival experience.
Why is it so that not a single "survival" game out there can make it f**kin' right ?
Is it so hard?
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yes
Edited:
it is so hard
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"Why is it so that not a single "survival" game out there can make it fuck**' right ?"
Why did you censor the "ING"?
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I am also wondering now :-/
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lol I didnt even notice that :P
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I would like to point out, as of right now Rust is only 10% complete and maybe even less than that. At this point in its development I would say they could change anything they wanted to without feeling bad about losing any of its content. So I really wouldn't judge how much Rust lacks. Wait until they are further down in development, then I will stand next to you with a flamethrower.
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For me... stalker was an all round crappily designed game.
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what a coincidence, rust devs said they are only 10% finished the game.
I am sad to admit it, but in regard of all the levels of gameplay that can be developed in the survival gaming genre, [B posted:
So I guess you are just about right on that.
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Why is there not a single game exactly the way you want it? Because you haven't made your own game. Go pick up some books.
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It's probably quite difficult to get the balance right between making everything so difficult to do and keeping players interested.
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You make something, you break something.. Pretty sure that happens alot..
They want to make 1000 things within a week if they could, but no one can..
If you make something it could be bugging something else in the world.
Like weather elements is a super hard, specially in multiplayer since it can take alot of CPU and stuff.
So it has to be done good, and that takes long.. Probably a few months.
FacePunch doesn't have a big team, so.. either way wait for it or simply play another game.
We all want more stuff, everyone does.. pretty surr the developers want the same. It's just so annoying ^^
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funny how i read that 10% argument 2 months ago and it's still 10% guess that's because your info wasnt updated.
also how would you know its @ 10% unless you know where the game is going?
Honestly i don't even think garry knows exactly where to go with this...
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There are some questions that must not be asked... If you see people all dressed in black following you everywhere you now know why.
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Well then he should ambush them and get their Kevlar. Duh.
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Hey OP I have a great idea. You should burn all of your belongings irl, quit your job(if you have one), and give away all of your money. Have a truck driver pick you up and drop you in the middle of nowhere. Talk about a great survival experience! And if you really want to increase the difficulty settings you can force yourself to avoid any human contact whatsoever.
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If it's not so hard, please make the perfect survival game. We all want it, and it's easy for you, so why not deliver? Deliver it to us. GIVE US THE PERFECT GAME NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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It's so simple yet you're not making it. What's wrong? Do you hate the idea of being a filthy rich millionaire? Make the game already.
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Or, if Stalker is so good go play it?
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Hey man I guess if you love that much stalker (I do too) you know all about their new project, still in development: survavirium. The team was planning to make stalker online but the company crashed or something so now they have started a new game and they are making it a survival close to stalker but in a post-apocaliptic world, not in the zone. They are raffling off beta-access, register and get lucky.
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Well im 99% sure i could make it, but in what time frame is the better question, and how much money would i get for all the scientists, computer engineers and programmers ?
The #1 thing 99% of all games are missing is proper simulation engine both when it comes, physics, AI,
map generation and rendering.
When it comes to good map generation Minecraft still comes closer, but at the same time its is extremely unrealistic when it comes to physics and AI.
With these new times of crossover gaming trying to be everything at once,i would say a better game engine is needed for all games, with a proper game engine, new games would be so much easier and faster to make, only question then is what hardware you would need to run it and how big it would be, worst case scenario only people with good hardware and fast internet connection could play it without serious lag and sync issues.
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having trouble figuring out BBcode?
stick to rust
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Rain and some kind of Fog, would make the game so much better, IMO.
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He's got the perfect idea, what he suggested is not impossible to do, its not out of the ordinary, its just the mechanics to an excellent survival game. He's probably not a developer, graphics artist, sound engineer etc.
Rust is not an alpha, if you've played the STALKER alpha, you'll know what an alpha looks, feels and runs like.
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As much money as you can raise, just like everyone else who starts a company. Just code up a demo by yourself and get other developers and artists interested in it. Then consolidate as a company, give them %'s in stock options and launch a kickstarter.
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Well money alone does not make a good game, just look at World of Warcraft and call of duty, EA..
Someone with the right vision needs to make something great that still is available to everyone in the end,
or the odds of more great games is gonna be very low, if only a few companies can afford the licence it does not matter if you created the perfect platform, if it all locked up and hoarded like cry-engine and unreal-engine, now i don't know exactly how expensive they are but if all the companies that can afford them want to play everything safe and got zero passion and ambition for making games, and never wants to try anything new, and the people with great ideas have no money, we as gamer's never get see any good games, there are physics engine and there are rendering engines, but where are the full simulation engines or virtual world engines, problem i guess is to create something that cost alot of money but then make it available for everyone, unity is great and simple but its more like a foundation with mod support than a simulation engine, it would be impossible to keep a vital core technology hidden and still be open
for improvements and for one person to build it would not be possible either, its humanly impossible to both be the best at programming, physics, AI and game logic, if we make a comparison to OS's it would be to build something like a operating system but for game creation, but that is not really a perfect analogy,
maybe open gl or direct x would be a better one but not for graphics but for simulation.
What inventors do you know who discovered something for the sake of money, its always been passionate people who wants to reach the edge of knowledge, i understand that i may take money to get there
unless you want to dedicate your life to only one task, and only one person still "cant" do all this.
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John Carmack did. Your point is now invalid.
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October 2012
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All though I am still looking for the "perfect" survival game, you shouldn't trash a game for having it's own taste. You should have known by now that it's difficult to create these sorts of games, and that the so called "perfect match" is going to be nearly impossible due to everyone having their own ideas or blueprints to what they imagine would be good or even better than yours. (Opinions on both sides) You're lucky Rust is so attached to the community, you have the power to recommend and suggest things into this type of game and I think you should take advantage of it while it's still in alpha, not many big brand survival games will do that.
tl;dr stop crying and start suggesting shit in the game
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As one of the few unlucky individuals to experience the lower class life in southern California I can say hands down when the shit pops off between two groups of people you don't even know and you are in the middle of that wrong place at the wrong time there is only one game that has ever mimicked that feel as accurately as in real life. While it all may seem improbable for the average guy when experiencing this game i will tell you right now that when a man has reached his limit and the unfathomable happens you absolutely positively can get ganked for no good reason.
This game is as immersive as it gets when it comes down to ignorant bullshit involving individuals with nothing to lose.
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Oculus rift have nothing to do with world simulation, human sight simulation yes but not virtual world simulation, Your point is now invalid.
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"Rust is only at 10% of being an attractive survival experience."
Considering Rust is only around 10-13% complete at this stage, that seems like a pretty reasonable experience.
Your problem is that much of that stuff takes "TIME" to create and perfect..... and STALKER focuses mostly on a Single-Player experience with an MP mode attached..... so you end up with an on-the-rails experience with scripted AI sequences that occur during specific events during the gameplay. Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't STALKER's MP just deathmatch/team deathmatch?
None of that will work easily or well in a game such as Rust that is completely focused on Multiplayer and the interactions between real players with AI just being a filler.
All those things you mentioned would be wonderful and nice, but you need to consider what can be done in a multiplayer environment.... rather than a single player environment.
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... LOL. Are you serious or just beyond stupid? Carmack is the Godfather of all modern graphics engines. He could arguably be called the sole reason we have 3d games. Good job googling him and looking at the first news article though. Get educated or gtfo pls.
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I know this has been said before but your post is so inane that I just gotta point it out again.
The above statement is incredibly accurate, because Rust is only 10% complete. It's only been in development for what.. about 9 months? It's got a few years to go yet.
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I'm almost 100% sure you didn't play rust and look in the top right corner of the screen and see the word "alpha"
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Simmer down simmer down. Yeah he played a big role in making such games as Wolfenstein 3D.....
.... And without Silas Warner, there wouldn't have been a Castle Wolfenstein to play or make into 3D in the first place..... Or Game Engines for that matter.
Everything comes from somewhere. How far back would you like to go? I've been around for most of it myself.
Generally Speaking now:
The point is that it doesn't really matter how big our digital wangs are in regards to our knowledge of video games.... The bottom line is yes it would be nice to see the Perfect Video Game (Survival if you will) but despite all of the technological advances over the decades, we are all still limited by what computers can handle, what Engines can put out that those computers can handle, how long people are willing to wait for development and above all else.... What everybody is willing to spend (can afford) on everything involved.
Yeah it would be awesome if there was the perfect game engine that did everything to the point it could create a world like reality simulator of Star Trek Holodeck Proportions... But:
#1 - What Game Developer could afford it?
#2 - How many employees would be needed to work on such a massive Engine?
#3 - How long would it take to put out something functioning, let alone perfect?
#4 - Would your computer even be able to run it?
#5 - Could you even afford the computer that would be required to run it?
#6 - Could you even afford the Game/Simulator in the first place?
#7 - Could the Developer be able to sell enough copies to at least break even??
Ok, continue being all riled up over nothing again.
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You're right, he doesn't. That's why hes asking us where we want it to go.
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I'm sure you haven't heard of CUBE WORLD. An RPG game made of cubes that was made in 1 year with a man and his wife alone.
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Wait what ? Godfather ? Without programming languages,Carmack could have sit in his chair for all these years watching the falling leaves outside of his house.So first of all,it starts with codings !
Second thing is,back to the first days of Doom (first one) he did a great thing back in these days.But compared to the current technology or people's desire.It's really simple (i'm not saying Carmack did not anything or not insulting him).Musics are simple,animations cannot be called animations,it was a milestone back in these days,yes.
However,now people wants more features from developers,Gfx,gameplay,scenarios,game engines etc.
Now developing games are harder than before with 2 men team,it's really hard to keep up and get going faster without mistakes(bugs,errors etc.) is nearly impossible too !
And about Oculus Rift,he(Elias79) is right.Oculus Rift makes you feel that you are actually in the action.Not creating visions by itself or creates world around you by itself.Otherwise 3D monitors or tv's are can be called simulations as well.
As Praxius mentioned,everything comes from somewhere.So going back to the zero point will not solve or prove anything
Edit:Added Elias79
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If you liked STALKER, you may be interested to know/already know that Survarium is being developed by the same team that made the series. It's their version of a survival mmo.
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Since we're 100% off topic already, I'll give my 2 cents on Stalker and Survarium.
I absolutely love Stalker; I played all games and practically all mods out there.
Thus I was ecstatic to find out about Survarium; MMO Stalker? Fuck yes, take my money.
So I gave u$s100 to Survarium to help fund and get beta access.
As of March 2014, the maps kind of remind of Stalker areas, but that's as far as the similarities go.
The only game mode implemented so far is a sort of Capture the Flag where both teams have to find scattered radio parts and bring them to their base. There are also irradiated areas with artifacts, but the game pace is so fast that you don't have time to go exploring there.
Overall, most people just shoots the other team, so it's basically Team Deathmatch with a lot of camping snipers.
So it's a lot more like Counterstrike than the free roaming open world experience I was hoping for.
The roadmap indicates more game modes will be coming, including a free roam mode at the end of 2014, but then maps will have to be A LOT bigger than what they are now.
Right now they seem very detailed but small, built for team confrontations a la Counterstrike.
If you ask me, Survarium isn't looking like it'll be the ultimate survival game that we're yearning for.
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Money doesn't make a good game? And then you give examples of games that tens of millions of people around the world love.
I'm not a personal fan of either of those games but they are far from bad. It's all a matter of taste.
Money doesn't make a good pizza topping. Just look at pepperoni.
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