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Post #1I'm thinking about getting my own server. The chances of getting a populated and active "vanilla PVP blabla" server are virtually none. So I've come up with a concept, please read and give me your opinion about it:
- No military grade weapons. Complete removal off: M4, MP5, Shotgun, P250 and 9MM pistol.
- No Kevlar, only cloth and leather armor.
- Only wooden buildings. No metal buildings. Metal doors are allowed.
- No C4, only grenades allowed.
- Not sure whether to keep the Bolt Action Rifle in the game. It clearly is a "homemade" weapon, but on the other hand it is very powerful. Your opinion about it would be appreciated.
- Sleepers are enabled.
- Of course, any blueprint with the aforementioned weapons, armor and building materials will be removed as well.
Basically it would set rust back to basics, with only primitive weapons. Good idea, or would it suck? And while we are at it, perhaps some servers already exist, doing exactly this?
View Poll Results: Like this idea, or not? Please elaborate.
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Yes, sounds good!
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No, I like the advanced gear.
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Not just yet.
What you're saying except the metal building part will be Rust in the future. We don't have weapon replacements yet to do this.
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I don't think so, only wooden door? So anyone can raid my hose only with a pick axe? Bitch please.
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Straight off the bat, no-one would survive a night. Wooden doors are chopped down REALLY fast.
No point in building any structure when it's begging to be cleaned out 100%. You're just advertising.
Metal doors would be a must. Even with metal doors, bases are being sucked dry. Wood only would make this way worse.
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never it's like the rust satanic cult XD
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Alright. So... How about: Allow metal doors and only grenades? That way, you still could raid but it would be a lot harder.
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You must have metal doors, as people say.. I don't want to waste hours of farming for some dude just taking it.. I know sleepers is off, but i'm not really in the mood to go through everything and stash it in my inventory and when I log in to stash it back.
Put sleepers on, I don't want to waste 12 nades whilst I know that people just carry it in their inventory.
I really like to fight people with the bow, even though I suck at it.. It's fun :)
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So please give your opinion about this feature set:
- No military grade weapons. Complete removal off: M4, MP5, Shotgun, P250 and 9MM pistol.
- No Kevlar, only cloth and leather armor.
- Only wooden buildings. No metal buildings. Metal doors are allowed.
- No C4, only grenades allowed.
- Not sure whether to keep the Bolt Action Rifle in the game. It clearly is a "homemade" weapon, but on the other hand it is very powerful. Your opinion about it would be appreciated.
- Sleepers are enabled.
- Of course, any blueprint with the aforementioned weapons, armor and building materials will be removed as well.
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Yes,I would play it for sure. But needs metal doors.
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I would totally play it, but with Bolt rifles, sleepers and no grenades (raiding with grenades only its such a pain in the ass).
If there is no C4, metal doors will be undestructable and raiding will be impossible, so I agree with wooden doors only. Now there will be a crazy amount of doors in the bases in order to break all the raidersīs tools before they can get to the good stuff
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I'd play it. Also disable attachments since those are obviously military grade as well. Given attachments are gone, allow bolt action since it is much harder without a holo sight.
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Raiding should be hard, not easy.. I don't mind spending 100 nades on a house, might take me days of farming but who knows.. the loot could be worth it !I would totally play it, but with Bolt rifles, sleepers and no grenades (raiding with grenades only its such a pain in the ass).
If there is no C4, metal doors will be undestructable and raiding will be impossible, so I agree with wooden doors only. Now there will be a crazy amount of doors in the bases in order to break all the raidersīs tools before they can get to the good stuff
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Really want to know if you're going to create the server, if so.. Let me know.
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That is exactly my vision. Raiding should be hard, not something you can do endlessly because 2 C4 cost nothing.
Absolutely :)
True.
On the other hand, a flashlight can be really handy at times and is not balance-breaking. But might break the immersion though. Perhaps they are indeed best left out.
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Sadly, I don't think "unraidable" bases could be taken down with grenades (no floor to drop it). You should consider getting rid of this too.
Also, I don't think any base with a door above the first floor and no possibility to put stairs/ceiling to access it would be raidable. Might be wrong tho.
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I'd have fun on a server like this. No more getting spammed by m4's.
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I used Oxide to make a "rare" (no craft) military/C4 server. It was fun at first - but once a large team does a bit of raiding they end up with every gun on the map, and its hard to get back on your feet. And without using metal fragments to make any of the weapons or buildings, metal is going to be used to make hundreds of doors on bases. And with C4 being rare, it quickly becomes a stalemate. Bases become unraidable because you can build faster than you can farm C4. I went back to vanilla because mods are too slow to update. Players would let their client update and wouldn't be able to get back in the server until oxide patched, and that took up to 2 days. So you lose a lot of players because they don't want to wait 2 days to play on their server again. Just some thoughts. Not worth it IMO.
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I have been running a server with real close to this rule set. I have had at most 10 people on at once, and it slowly died off. There are many servers out there with this rule set and not enough that wish to play it to close the ratio gap of amount of servers to players. These servers usually, IMO, attract more PvE people, that's in my experiences.
I have closed that one as I have changed hosts, wanted to be able to write our own mods. We now have made a Building Manager mod with full base sharing, email alerts and many other cool things, written for Magma. Looking at going back to almost vanilla as it does attract more PvP.
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Yes!
This is a server I've been looking for. I almost thought about starting my own because I couldn't find one.
I fucking hate the military grade weapons in the game at the moment and have almost stopped playing because of them. I'd personally like the bolt action to stay though as the top tier weapon.
If you get this server started I'll be the first one on there.
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This would be no problem at this server, since military weapons are not in the game at all. Not even as loot.
That is exactly what I feared, and why I wanted to limit doors to wood-only. On the other hand, a lot of people mentioned a wooden-door only server would suck since every dipshit with a pickaxe can raid you.
Isn't my idea, with metal doors and grenades a nice middle way?
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I just wiped my server at the weekend and set it up very much like this, though C4 can still be found in loot and metal buildings are currently still allowed.
I advertised in the servers sub forum.. think I've had about 4 visitors so far :/
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Grenades are completely useless. Even for raiding, you can only raid the 1st/2nd floors with them. They bounce all over the place and never land/explode where you want them to. So it ends up taking more than you expected, or you can't even hit the wall you're trying to blow. They are not a C4 equivalent.
Plus if you are removing metal building parts and most of the guns, the loot table is going to be super unbalanced and everything else in the table loses weight. Removing 7 items for the building parts, plus 10+ items for removing guns and mods, plus the blueprints for guns and mods, then the rare items are not rare anymore. You're loot table is going to have a lot less items, and a lot less rarity.
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Hjjools, I've just checked it out and your server seems exactly what I've been thinking about. So C4 is only available in loot? Or also in airdrops? Can C4 be researched when found?
Your server looks fun!
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This could work for the time being if Bolt Action Rifle was somehow Extremely rare. Like maybe only 1-2 on the server Located in a secret Bunker an admin made that is on top of a huge rock or something. Only to be obtained from exploration.
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After seeing this, I went directly to your server and starting playing actually.
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Currently C4 is in loot and airdrops, but as airdrops don't currently work automatically it'll be very rare. If I get a decent population and feedback I will consider any tweaks to improve things.
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Excellent, enjoy you stay, I'm at work but will likely be on later.
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Please dont change that. I'd like it this way. Just make sure it is impossible to craft C4.
Might aswell join your server, as there is no added value with starting my own now
For anyone else interested, join this server.
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You missed his most important question, mate.
I have a server where none of the factory-grade guns or explosive devices are craftable, and they're all pretty rare; it's Australian though, so working with a smaller potential playerbase. I'll post it up once I've finished making a couple of my giant (80-150+ foundations each) floating islands for a sky-city. ;)
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You will raid for what if you already have all this nade... they will have nothing more valuable than your nade???
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Ahh sorry I missed that. Yes I have set it so that C4 cannot be researched currently.
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I would play the hell out of that server.
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No, I wouldn't play this partly because the would be nothing to do, but build massive wooden bases which would be unraidable as no c4 all you would need is a ramps around your base (they would all roll down. and the pillars on foundations and no stairs to the bottom floor. so you might as well be on a PvE server. Also you already get the weapons and armor quickly so what is the point of making so you start knowing how to make everything you need, therefore if you were to do this I would recommend making so you need to learn how to make things such as metal doors, all weapons , hatchet ect. if that is even possible.
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Isn't it the same as if there would be C4? C4 is the most valuable IG item, the hardest to craft.. Kevlar is easy to create once you got the BP and same with the other weapons.
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It wouldn't be bad if you had like a slight change of finding a certain weapon (m4 or something) just to keep people entertained, plus if you'd raid something then you might do it for that reason
(might even have a small chance for C4)
I really wouldn't mind if you could find epic stuff with a low drop chance, if gives people hope.. And that's what we need :D
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put this server up right now and I be all over this shit for sure
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I must admit that it's true...
I like the idea of really rare M4 and other gun could be find in loot... but if you can make them take damage but unrepairable... they will not last long and will be more precious :-)
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This has been done, time and time again. Fully primitive servers and servers with Tier structures over time, tend to die within a matter of 3-4 days. You may have a large population of nearly 100 if advertised and server name has the date of wipe, but less than a week from the date posted, guarantee that your population will be under 30.
In my opinion, it's not worth buying a server. There are over a thousand empty servers, you're just going to add to the list. =/ Sorry to be a Debbie Downer, but it's the truth.
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For that 18 euro or whatever you can always give it a shot. Besides most servers die within a month simply because of people archieving everything so quickly. Not even to mention if it wipes ones everyone goes bananas.
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Read before you speak. "Metal doors are allowed."
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I've edited ;)
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I hate to admit it, but it really would improve the game.
But the organised groups of people would hate it, as it would loosen their power grasp on the server.
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Rather than remove the bolt action, it could just be nerfed.
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