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Not so sure I agree... setting up a remote server for Rust is something that a lot of people (including myself, not too long ago) have never done...
Setting up a Minecraft server is as simple as running an executable java... boom, server is ready lol.
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You're missing the point here... The vast majority of the "community" servers are modded in some way away from the baseline; via loot tables, airdrops, whatever, even if they are not using a "mod"!
The only variable should be PvP versus PvE, and that one is pretty easy to understand!
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I totally agree... I think mods are severely hampering development and testing. A majority of people playing Rust are playing a slightly different version of the game than everyone else... A new player that hops onto a modded server without realizing it might think that the mods are actually a part of the official game when they aren't.
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Yes, yes it is. Even single-player worlds have the option to open up as a multiplayer server at any given time, rendering that argument null.
And manually add servers to where, exactly? Rust is actually easier to run a server off of, because there is a single concise server list implemented within the vanilla game. In Minecraft, you simply create or purchase a server, and then you have to advertise like mad just as one has to in Rust.
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You know, server advertising is exactly what I was thinking when I considered the pro's and con's of item durability.
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lol well in that case there would not be anything being crafted on this island at all... no forge no anvil etc wow it really doesn't matter what I would do because I already have plenty to survive anything.... but decay in this game needs to be adjusted according to the objects being used
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Setting up a server in Rust is as easy as being hand-held to the final destination. In Minecraft, when you set up a server, which is not as easy as you made it sound, your server is created in an unknown void where it is impossible to find without advertising like a crazy person on multiple websites and communities daily.
But that is not really the original topic, so I digress.
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Oh God...
Can you play Rust without an Internet connection, or server to connect to? No, end of comparison...
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Red herring fallacy. The fact of the matter is that both are MMOs, and both utilize servers, which legitimizes my argument that modded servers outside of an official capacity do not distill the overall experience, nor do constant updates dissuade mod authors.Oh God... Can you play Rust without an Internet connection, or server to connect to? No, end of comparison...
And before you blatantly argue with me again that Minecraft is not a MMO, how about you look at the literal definition of what a MMO even is: "A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting large numbers of players simultaneously." - You going to seriously suggest to me that Minecraft does not fit that definition?
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please shut the fuck up or make a new thread. I want to see people's input on item durability, as my thoughts on the matter are that it adversely affects gameplay in its current state. I don't want your posts detracting from the issue.
EDIT: RustBubba too.
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Why are we arguing about Minecraft in the first place?
There's a subforum for that.
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+1
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I haven't tested durability yet, and I'm sure that it will get a lot of tweaking.
For now, however, I like the idea of it... Makes (some) people think twice about shooting, seems more realistic (even if it's a bit "overkill" compared to real life), and forces even veteran players to gather materials for replacements.
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The fact of the matter is, Internet foras are for the express purpose of debate and the sharing of ideas/ideals. If your thread, which no longer is your thread after a single person comments on it, brings in a person or people that decides to focus on a single or multiple aspects of the original article which splits the thread up into multiple subjects, then I will damn well become interested in whichever subject I please.
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The argument is over servers in general and how modding communities influence them. Minecraft just happens to be the best example to use, but is not the actual argument in itself.
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Sorry 'bout that... Someone stated that they'll just "turn off" durability with a mod, and I suggested that was a stupid idea in general. Connected to that, I mused that maybe it was time to remove the non-vanilla servers from the in-game browser, making more like Minecraft, where you add servers manually (over and above the proven "baseline" ones).
From there, it went downhill rapidly!
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Don't have to apologize to me, I'm certainly not anyone important lol.Sorry 'bout that... Someone stated that they'll just "turn off" durability with a mod, and I suggested that was a stupid idea in general. Connected to that, I mused that maybe it was time to remove the non-vanilla servers from the in-game browser, making more like Minecraft, where you add servers manually (over and above the proven "baseline" ones).
From there, it went downhill rapidly!
For what it's worth, I agree with you on all fronts. Durability is an obvious step in the right direction for overall gameplay balance. It will bring down some of the "Rust overlords" a bit, maybe to a level that a newbie group could swoop in and take over.
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Durability is awesome, it's going to reduce the kosing and pointless raids.. Stuff degrades too fast right now, but, it's alpha.
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I don't like durability. Many people won't agree with me, but I feel like there is no fun in having durability. Think about it. It doesn't add any fun to the experience of playing the game. It is just a dumb feature of the game that makes you use up even more of your resources. I guess I understand why many people wouldn't feel the same way, but this is just my opinion.
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As stated on many threads, there is a way to disable durability loss.
conditionloss.damagemultiplier "0"
conditionloss.armorhealthmult "0"
Setting those values to 0 would turn off the durability system.
I personally have them set to 0.25 for testing, because I personally like the idea of having to repair your items, I just don't like how quickly the items were breaking.
After my tests I concluded that the value "1" is default, so .025 would be 1/4 durability loss.
I have a test server up with these modifications, go ahead and see if it is good, or needs to be nerfed a bit more. "I am not advertising, this is API DEV server, we are not launched yet and are not trying to get players currently."
rust.avalon-gaming:28015
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I really like that idea actually.
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Not really - if you're rich, you can afford a repair bench and to repair all of the time, making the change less impactful. The people who have a harder time are those that don't have extras of everything, and can't afford to repair them when it takes so many resources to do so.
This is the opposite of a balancing change - it just makes the game harder for the poor, without affecting the rich much at all.
As it stands, I agree with those saying the durability goes down too rapidly.
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Numbers need tweaked pretty badly. I shouldn't go from x/100 durability to x/77 after one repair. I shouldn't be losing durability on armor as fast as I am either.
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The rate of decay on weapons, armor, and tools is way to unforgiving. I like the idea but so far its implemented very poorly. Oh well back to Starbound.
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For weapon durability, I would suggest looking at my suggestion that details the problems with current weapons and ideas that incorporate features of durability and how it would work. I personally think durability should stay the way it is to pave the way for bigger things and longer gameplay progression.
Thread link- http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?...8#post44026928
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Avoid fights more and you won't be having this same expense. Play smarter, more cautiously.
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Dont mind it but atm it is far too quick. One large resource run and your standard pick & axe is dead before you're done
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Basicly I like the change to the item durability from the last update. What I don't like is the speed in witch the item durability decreases. I think it is to fast. When I go on a ressource trip I need now several Pick Axes and Machetes. I would propose a possible solution as:
1. Raise the decrasing rate
2. Implement for tools a stockable and craftable "sharpening kit" which would restore the durability
3. Implement for weapons a stockable and craftable "weapon repair kit" wich would restore the durability
4. The "weapon repair kit" shouldn't be craftable from the begining. Instead it could be found as bluekit.
5. I think also it shouldn't be that a 9mm Pistol requires the same amount of "weapon repair kits" as e.g. a M4. E.g. a 9mm Pistol requires 1 kit and a M4 would require 3 kits
I must admit that I also think that the max. item durability score of a repaired weapon or tool after it has been repaired ist to low.
My poposal for possible solutions are:
1. Make the max. item duraibilty score after a repair higer (e.g. minus 5 per repair process)
2. Implement a "large weapon repair kit" to restore 100 duraibilty scores. I woud propose that the crafting of such a kit is quite expensive.
3. The " large weapon repair kit" shouldn't be craftable from the begining. Instead it could be found as bluekit or by airdrop only.
Now I would like to thank you for the improovments regarding the Frame Rate. What a change!!! I just love it how fluent Rust works now. You have done a great job on this.
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I have a hatchet at home. Been using the thing for about 12 years. Its never needed to be repaired. Ive got half a crate of hatchets which are near rubbish in my boxes. Do not like. I also think the loss of 25 points per repair is too much. Essentially 4 uses from a hatchet...
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i like th eidea, i think it needs tweaking, the durability degrades to fast at the moment, after 10 m4 rounds ur m4 is down to 74% durability. when repaired its stuck at 80% after.......
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I've never liked item durability stuff in games, and in Rust, currently I hate it.
The items break way too quickly. I was playing on a Battlefield server and my M4 went from 100 to 75 in about 5 kills. That's way too quick.
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the ONLY thing I dislike is when i'm hunting mutants & they smack me once or twice, it gets annoying having damaged cloth/leather gear so easily, maybe slightly reduce how much damage wolves and bears do to gear? other than that i'm all for it. It does indeed make people choose to shoot or not.
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