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Post #1currently in a rust server where a guy called Bagon, is using speedhack, aimbot, i searched up his profile this is what is displays.
1 VAC ban(s) on record | Info
24 day(s) since last ban
how is he still able to play Rust when he has an active ban?
Please stop VAC banned players playing rust.
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he's able to play Rust because if he wasn't VAC banned in Rust specifically, he can still play Rust freely. VAC is per-title, not steam-wide.
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it should be steam-wide, its rediculous.
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It wouldn't be cool if I had learned from a very long past violation not to cheat again. Let alone some servers strictly disallow VAC'd (from another game) users in their servers.
The mark of shame is permanently branded to their account, you are using a few people to represent a whole, a few guys who didn't learn just to hurt the rest of them. They already have it bad enough seen on their Account.
"Well if this guy has it and hacked, then all the others will hack again too."
Please.
Plus I doubt Valve would even allow that, knowing how good they are to people.
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I disagree, if it was steam wide nobody would be on steam anymore.
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banning somebody from all 69 VAC secure titles because of one infraction is pretty excessive to be honest. that's a lot of unrelated games.
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u mean all they cheat?
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It's their fault for cheating in the first place.
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yes, it's their fault for cheating. and they're appropriately banned from the title they're cheating in, there's no need to ban them from games they have never cheated in or even played.
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There is a plugin that already does this. Now go play on a server that uses it and stop crying, you big baby.
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Since they cheated , you imply that they should lose $30+(to maybe even hundreds), it could even Damage Valve's financial success.
Over one single violation, you are ridiculous.
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I got vac banned a couple years ago for prestige lobbying in MW2. I don't think it would be fair to be banned from rust, especially since the ban was so long ago (500+ days) :p. Most people do learn their lesson after cheating and getting a vac ban. But it's good to just keep the ban to that game, and if they keep cheating they'll get vac banned in other games too, that's why the systems there.
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Most people don't learn their lesson, they just learn to use new Steam accounts and rarely do you see anybody continue using an account after a VAC ban unless they had a lot of games on there.
The sad fact is Valve profits off of cheaters big time, they love the fact that they get to double profit off of cheaters who rebuy their games on new accounts. I'm also a subscriber to the "once a cheater always a cheater" motto, I don't believe most of them learn their lesson.
The ones who have never cheated are very unlikely to one day out of the blue decide to cheat, whereas the ones who have cheated in the past are certainly more likely to do it again. A shit leopard can't change it's spots.
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A person is only going to cheat a second time if they think it's worth the consequences. To some people, $15 every week or two is worth destroying everyone else with hacks in CSGO. To others, it's not. Sometimes it takes actually experiencing the consequence, rather than just seeing the threat of it, to change behaviour. Some cheaters never cheat again, some thieves only steal once, some killers really do reform. It's not fair to exclude an entire group based on the activity of some, no matter the ratio of good to bad.
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i would appreciate to delete the whole steam profile once a cheater get cought!
THEN they might learn to play legit
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All the people that are saying "It shouldn't be steam-wide banned" are obviously cheaters themselves lol...
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That's similar to the death penalty.
If they were banned on accident (there was a case with any CoD game), then they would lose their account forever.
Or imagine this just because you used a minimap mod for Rust.
Would be too hard I think.
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similar to death penalty? you cant be serious on that one.
and yes i would prefer losing their account, i dont care because "once a cheater, always a cheater"
also there is no "accident"...vac revoked like 3 or 4 times false bans (in waves) since its live
thats my opinion and for gods sake, free speech!
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If you kill an innocent, then you can't revert it.
Like the deleting of the account.
Just a thought.
Actually I like that idea. But Valve will never integrate that anyway.
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What a great argument, straight out of grade 6. I think it's a dumb idea and I'm usually one to piss on cheaters when they come crying for VAC unbans.
Permanently VAC banning an account for all VAC-using games for one single VAC infraction is a wildly disproportionate response. It's overkill. And it does nothing but encourage throwaway alts even harder, because now, if you want to cheat, you'd be risking everything on your account.
That sort of thing could actually land Valve in legal trouble, and that's likely one big reason why they don't do it.
"You stole a candy bar? 25 years in prison with no parole! Good luck finding a job or going back to your old life when you get out! Shouldn't have been tempted by your hunger over a dollar's worth of chocolate, you've ruined your life now!"
Clearly, that is what all justice systems are really supposed to be like, but we're just too pussy to destroy society for the sake of rules.
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what a cynical and childish thing to say
You do realize that will actually make hacking even harsher? Even more people will want to cheat JUST to fuck valve off. That, and they'll just make a new account and it won't matter, it wont' stop hacking at all. If any thing, now that they have more throw away accounts, they'll do it even more.
and no, you can't "Ban them for alts", because they could easily just create it on a VPN and use a gift card.
I've seen tons of people who have out of the blue been vac banned, and have never did anything again
when people don't give a shit about what happens and just want to see if they can get away with it / joke around / tweak the game they get vac banned
a lot of the time its' more meaningless than you think, but a lot of them are little shits, the repeat offenders.
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Do you realize what would happen if Valve implemented such overkill policies?
People would craft malware to infect banner ads and sites frequented by Steam users (like gaming forums and even cheat forums, lol), and the ultimate payload wouldn't be spyware, but VAC-detected cheats to infect any one of a number of common and popular games that the malware finds installed on the system (TF2, CoD, etc.).
Oh, look, you weren't even trying to cheat, and you may not have even noticed anything visually different (no reason why the aimbot has to actually display to you what it's doing, just being injected is enough for VAC), but now you're VAC banned from everything forever.
The trolling would be terrible. And before you say that won't happen, it's documented to have happened with PunkBuster, although PB was sloppy and would detect snippets of cheat code that merely existed in an IRC channel. Yes, trolls were getting people PB-banned by just pasting cheat source into IRC channels they were in. Getting a VAC ban requires putting injection files onto the machine, but malware can already do all of that.
If VAC was abused to ban innocents like that, it would ruin the company's reputation. Hell, just the mass overkill of VAC banning you from everything forever would seriously damage Valve. I'd start buying more games off GOG and Desura and other places that wouldn't ban you from everything for one cheat in one game.
Valve has thought about this more than you have and have come up with better solutions (that are being used right now) than you've come up with.
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Last time I checked, The only time it applies to more than one game is when it takes place in a Gold Source or Standard Source (HL2, CSS, TF2, Etc) game.
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Those are still not "Steam-wide". They're by engine.
It's not like Valve publishes the list in an easy to find place or anything. I see people with wrong ideas of what VAC bans are almost hourly on here.
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it's pretty obvious most people saying "once a cheater always a cheater" and "VAC ban bans their entire account" are just asshole kids trying to be witty and thinking they understand people, attempting to make smooth zingers about cheaters.
I don't even care that much that they think this is even remotely a good idea. It's too idiotic and extreme to take seriously and would never be implemented.
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Engine wide is what I meant, thanks for the correctionThose are still not "Steam-wide". They're by engine.
It's not like Valve publishes the list in an easy to find place or anything. I see people with wrong ideas of what VAC bans are almost hourly on here.
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oh why? cause you like to cheat? adorable.
i still support my opinion cause i hate cheaters and they should lose their whole account.
i can think whatever i want and the argument "are just asshole kids trying to be witty...." is more than just lame. but hey feel free to jump on the failtrain like every other 12 year old internet warrior trying to look tough nowadays.
J!NX you are arguing like a 12 year old actually, calling other kids when you ran out of arguments and vocabulary.
this makes you look like kid but nevermind, just my opinion.
now feel free to offend me like you always do, seems to be your nature
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oh J!NX now i understand your opinion, you got a vac record on your steam account...you are pretty pathetic :D
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Smells of trolling. Or just extremely butthurt.
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Really? because every single one of your posts seems to be that of a 12 year old.
Also, you seem to rack up an awful lot of dumbs every post you make
And what is my account? link it here
2 bans for flaming and you still can't learn to stop shit posting. You will never learn, and eventually you're just going to be banned yet again from here because you are incapable of not sounding like a 12 year old internet warrior trying to look tough
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idontthinkso, you've spent a total of 10 days being banned for rude and trollish postings. How is it possible that you are immune to learning from your mistakes?
The one acting like a 12-year-old here isn't a Gold Member, let's get that clear.
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totally butthurt :D
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i couldnt care less, deleting browser cache is the fastest way to avoid the "ban"
idontthinkso, you've spent a total of 10 days being banned for rude and trollish postings. How is it possible that you are immune to learning from your mistakes?
The one acting like a 12-year-old here isn't a Gold Member, let's get that clear.
"gold" member with a vac ban on his account :D
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Whoa he knows how to delete cache look out guys we have an elite troll
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so, where is that link to my steam account
once a shit poster always a shit poster. You are never going to learn really. This is all you want to do, is try and sound witty and smart but, you don't actually know what you are talking about.
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I wonder if he's actually found my steam account or just trying to zing me
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it should be a client wide punishable offense to cheat. i agree that valve should instate a global ban (crackdown.)
what would this do? it would influence kids to refrain from ever stepping into the realm. it would also add more gravity to the act.
again i see people dismiss the remark "once a cheater always a cheater," which i proved in another thread was entirely psychologically viable. (search my name. you'll find the thread where i posted links that cite peer reviewed scholarly articles and university studies. to summarize, some people are hard wired to display these behaviors. others (the social norm) are programmed to despise them.) j!nx, your remarks are backed with zero evidence, and thrown like feces from the hands of an enraged primate.
i would consider typing this a waste of time, but indulging in your ignorance is like catching the flu. i have to do SOMETHING to relieve my symptoms..
ultimately the issue is a matter of opinion. but why not? why not make things harsher to dispel the hackers? i read the analogy of a convict falsely accused of murder. but you must realize that no system of punishment in the history of man has been 100% accurate in conviction. we simply do our best to keep the dangerous ones filtered out.
besides, valve could simply utilize their equity to instate a returns council; falsely accused? then plea your case to get your account back. other companies have done so, so please do not come with "they don't have the time."
i am particularly interested in the opposite side of this argument, as well. the emotional flare is indicative of a. people who do not want to be punished this harshly (hackers,) or b. people who have hacked in the past and feel sympathy ("reformed cheaters.") i'll have you know that either way, your place in the discussion is fallacious on the grounds of emotional bias.
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opinion, also you're not capable of seeing into the future.
source on all of this other information please (the documentation you claimed.)
also, if this were capable of ruining a company's reputation, why was punkbuster never run into the ground? i think steam's millions of users could endure just fine.
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There is a reason whenever anyone says "why not use punkbuster" tons of people reply "FUCK NO"magilla;44040628also, if this were capable of ruining a company's reputation, [B posted:
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We dismiss it because it's simply untrue, I searched my own steam account on Steamrep and I have seen numerous VAC'd friends, most of which whom I talked to planned never to cheat again. It shows as a generalization. I myself have cheated in the past, and I recognize the dangers of it, therefore I wouldn't do it again.
They lost almost an entire face value of a product in the past, I'm sure they don't want to do it a 2nd time.
Some learn, and some could care less as long as they can get to people like you and I. A global ban wouldn't even be as effective as you think it is, since most cheaters can just buy 1 game on a account and keep creating multiple accounts with just one game each anyway, you'd be only hurting the people that had spent and gathered all games on a single account.
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blizzard permanently bans WoW accounts with hundreds and hundreds of hours invested permanently at the slightest semblance of cheating. i would think it harsher to lose such an account. even with a couple hundred dollars invested in steam.
you also stated that it would be a legality issue; so change the user agreement. case & point.
people crave identity. many will suffer this hit in an attempt to use their own accounts, and the burners will pass. but this would teach a younger and less careful generation more about how awful the act of hacking is.
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that is because of punkbuster's recent weaknesses, not because people exploited banners and ads. their reputation is also not driven beneath the dirt. don't misrepresent my argument.
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Yep and guess what; only the people who truly will cheat again are going to make alts and do again, especially the ones with lots of money.
also, you don't teach someone to not steal by cutting off their hands. That's fucking insane.
How can they learn anything if you don't give them another chance? if they cheat once they can never play online again, what the fuck is that? "You stole once, now you're /never/ allowed in stores again".
The reason I call it cynical and childish is because it is.
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humans are hardwired to display the cheating behavior. i just told you where to go to find peer reviewed articles by scientists proving this fact.
your brain is programmed differently from the societal norm. whether you succumb to the urge again is pointless. the fact is that the desire still lingers in your subconscious.
the effect of the global ban would be in instructing younger players who would not be wise enough (or would be incapable) of creating burner accounts.
also, many people crave representing themselves. they would be tempted to use their real accounts.
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you told him where to find proof and don't even bother posting it yourself
how silly.
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Where do I go again?
It'd be much easier to come across your point if you posted it right here.
Looked on your name, found absolutely nothing.
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