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Post #1I'm seeing some really questionable developer moves and im worried as hell about the future of this game. There are some great future changes coming that seem good. workbench craft time was awesome, higher level work benches sounds great, bow and arrow improvements sounds fantastic... but why are those taking so long?
In the mean time we have seen some horrible shit actually get implemented. The locked backpacks idea was laughable but I do have to give credit for the devs to put it off by default due to the backlash.
Rushing to remove zombies because of some ego trip that this game isn't supposed to be a zombie game was a mistake. while im fine with replacements for zombies at least do it when you are ready, rather than making the game worse by implementing ANOTHER placeholder at the expense of game play. i dont think there is anyone who enjoys the incessant howling of the red animals. It appeared that rust was very near the final replacement ("all will be revvvealed") but that seems to not be the case based on the poll today by garry asking people what replacement they want. looks like we have to wait months before we even get them.
this causes me great concern with the future of weapons in rust. removing high powered weapons is analogous to creating a really successful game with a large emphasis on gun based pvp, and then removing the gun based pvp... Now, I am completely supportive of changing the military style weapons for equal weapons that just look more like the bolt action or something. A rusty and makeshift AK47 for example would make perfect sense with the 'lore' of rust, even though no one knows what that actually means and it appears the devs dont either. sure there are some noobs out there that want a 'caveman' simulator or god knows what, but this game wasn't advertised as such either. this game opened with zombies and m4's, and its hugely popular.
removing powerful weapons would cripple this game. the only real threat in this game is players. you can farm enough wood and metal to make a base that is impractical to raid in about 2 hours. can you imagine playing on the same server for weeks with your godly tower and the only threat is players with pipe shotguns and bows? SNOREEEEE.
please don't let your heads get in the way of improving this great game. focus on the important updates. i know this is alpha but at this rate this game wont be released for years. you are bringing in ample resources to develop this game properly.
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Garry has said himself (don't ask me to link it. You know damn well I won't be able to find it) that the modern military weapons are "placeholders and for balance". They'll definitely be replaced by more primitive weapons. Slings, spears, etc. They'll probably be kept in the game as really rare drops, but that would be their limit I would assume.
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One of the developers stated on an AMA they would be making the high end military weapons much more difficult to acquire but they would remain in game.
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This is exactly my point.. do u think this game is popular because people just cant wait for spears in 3 months? This should not be the route the game takes. Its popular for a reason. It requires the devs to swallow their pride about some half baked idea they had a year ago and not try to fix something that aint broke
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You have CoD seeping from your pours, its disgusting
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I was hoping they were going to pull them.
It would be more of a challenge and a lot funnier to raid with revolvers and pipe shotguns. If they are going to leave them in, they might as well add sniper rifles and ghillie suits.
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Hopefully it will be popular for other reasons later. Right now it seems like it's mostly kids that enjoy catching cats on fire.
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First rate analysis there...What does that even mean or have to do with anything? I dont play rust for the m4 i play rust for thr pvp. And without guns of equal effectiveness the pvp would become slow pased and ineffective. Only materials would become prized loot and players with lots of it would just run away and your spear would be ineffective at taking them down. Pvp would become running away. And for the record i havent played cod since the original on pc ten years ago
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My guess is that they'll make guns more makeshift, as you said, to better fit the set/setting of the game. I'd guess there will also be some more balancing and plenty of additions. I doubt they'd remove guns entirely. It wouldn't make much sense, in my opinion, to add them so early on in development, put forth all that effort, only to scrap them entirely.
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well thats rational and logical but this is the rust development team we are talking about. they added zombies early on in development, put forth all that effort, only to scrap them entirely, and put another placeholder in that is 10x worse. this management has NO foresight and it makes me sick. mark my words this game will be terrible in 6 months if they don't get their shit together. they take opinions from the community way to seriously. it sounds great in theory to develop a game with the players' opinions, but its exactly like making a professional sports franchise business decision based on what the fans want. not to mention there is a lot of subgroups of players in rust that are extremely under represented on these forums. I know a hundred PVPers who are just flabbergasted with so many changes in this game. the dev team doesnt care 1% about pvp and its actually what makes their game good. the average IQ on the internet and on these forums is below average, and these are the people making gameplay decisions, it makes no sense. these forums are flooded with carebears that have some idea of what rust 'should' be and its half baked and silly.
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Actually, I think that the rust team have said more than once that they put their own plans/vision for the game first, and consider user feedback secondary. Also, I'm quite sure that zombies required much less effort to implement than all of the firearms in the game, and they were certainly not as integral to the gameplay, either. PvP is, indeed, a core part of the gameplay, and they don't seem to be turning away from that, either. I think that the game is better off without zombies. I think they removed zombies in order to focus on pvp as a more primary means of conflict.
The game is in alpha, and you are witnessing the process of 'getting shit together.' That involves a lot of broken shit along the way. I think you should calm down. Stressing this much over any game is not healthy, let alone one that can drastically change and break at the drop of a hat.
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i respect and agree with your opinion actually, but zombies arent the focus of my argument at all. my point was that replacing them prematurely was a huge mistake and it shows lack of foresight. and your point about this game being drastically changed or broken at a drop of a hat is precisely why im worried about what they are doing. rust is the only gave i have fun playing, period.
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If the game were in mid-late beta stage, I could probably agree something like that would be pretty concerning. Alpha stage is really not a time for foresight. This is a time when the dev team is still testing shit out to see what works. If something doesn't work, they'll almost definitely remove it even faster than they implemented it.
Sorry you can't find any other games to play, but this one is still in early development and that's how games are made...
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I disagree with this statement. If Garry and his team decided they didn't want them at some point in development, now is the time to pull it rather than letting them sit in the game longer and get more entrenched. I'm not crazy about the rad animals either, as they're too easy to hit compared to the zombies - but I'd rather them remove them if they don't want them in the game.
My guess is that the military weapons will remain in the game, but become much more rare and harder to craft. At least that's how I see development should go, and how I'd prefer to see it done.
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Not everyone plays the game for that. There are different styles of play. What you are arguing for is that your style of play is favored.
No it wouldn't. It would cripple the ability of many people to get the advanced weapons and use them to quickly dominate. The gap between the start of the weapon progression and the end is great. What the game needs is a much larger set of weapons and options for both offence and defense.
What I am seeing a lot of is people whining that the game is going to change from the current state where they have a way of dominating. The authors have to balance different play styles against each other. If you want to be a bandit, you need people to murder and rob. If you want to farm resources and run away, then there better be some bandits floating around to challenge you and keep you on your toes.
If the game is balanced such that anything other than PVP is worthless, then THAT will kill the game. An ecosystem of balanced player types needs to exist for everyone. This is one of those "be careful what you wish for" moments. If the balance is purely in favour of PVP and bandits, all the fun a lot of people get from murdering farmers and taking their stuff will dissolve when everyone left is also a bandit.
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If all you play Rust for is guns, then you need to go find another game to play.
Rust is not about guns. The guns are means to an end, but they are not the core gameplay mechanic, or even a necessary gameplay mechanic, to Rust.
As others have noted, go back to Call of Duty or Battlefield or whatever it is you normally play.
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What the fuck dude!?
They should add more guns not removing the ones we got, fuck primitive weapons, add them but keep this ones as they are.
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The concept of survival and progression is a big part of this idea to make military grade weapons somewhat impossible to acquire without a lot of time and effort.
I'm perfectly fine with this idea, it makes rust more interesting. I have recently stopped playing simply because there is nowhere for me to go, I have everything can make everything. Progression is the key to making players keep coming back, along side that it involves more content wider options of what to do.
Go away with your "Guns Guns Guns", The whole KOS mentality is built upon the fact that guns are so easily accessible.
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they didnt make the zombies that used to be in the game, nor all of the placeholders, the zombies are a simple asset on unity 3d just like the map and the same with all of the military style weapons. and also you cant have the average IQ below average because its The average
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I don't think the guns are going anywhere but it does seem that the higher-level hardware will become much more infrequent. This is really as it should be and I wouldn't assume that you'll be able to blitz build a metal base in 2 hours for very much longer either.
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make the gun harder to get?
so you must require different parts like barrel, receiver, bolts and spring etc I guess lol.
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I also was hoping they would completely remove them. They just dont fit... no way could anyone craft a high tech weapon with what seems to be the world of rust. They should ALL be removed an replaced with primitive style guns. No machine guns at all.
imo :)
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Why not man, cause dinosaurs. Am I right? Take out all the guns. We'll have dinosaurs, and turn it into a turn based strategy puzzle hybrid with survival elements.
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I hope there are more projectile based weapons, more primitive stuff too. I'd like to be able to throw my stones at people for example :D Perhaps a slingshot, that sort of thing.
We've all played a million games with MP5s and M4s, yes they are fun but I can't wait for other things.
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its just not possible to create an m4 with 30 sheets for low q-metal. end of story.
you would need some high q-metal that uses nickel, wolfram, molybdenum etc. and some advanced tools.
making a barrel which is straight, isn't that easy. Why do you think that the first guns were all smooth-bore barrels and unprecise as fuck?
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You don't do that now? You are missing out. Just add theme music and you are all set.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ooc8X...oq9kxlCYmQ1W8O
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You would need to have a factory and have the parts machined. I would love to see the hand made weapons. The pipe shotgun looks awesome. I don't mind the current weapon performance. I just don't like the factory made look.
Also I want wall lanterns.... ammiright?
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Yeah Anyone who is genuinly upset that they would remove / or restrict the availability of modern weapons is clearly playing the wrong game.
rust is in the survival genre like it or not. that implies several unchangeable facts.
1 good means of personal defense are rare and fleeting.
2 the game is always a struggle.
if you want modern weapons to be as disposable as toilet paper , then go play one of the many modern fps shooters out there.
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It's not Dayz, and the Devs didn't want it to be a Dayz clone. Everyone who has bought the game knew full well things where gonna be removed/changed and added.
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I would love for the guns to go away. I would love to on ly be able to make CRAFTABLE things. It would be really fun to make defenses like swinging logx, spikes that drop, nets to capture people etc. This bolt action sniping and M4 spraying has no place in a real survival. Make it like we are on an island with nothing, and we need to make everything from scratch.
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This best suites why the game needs to be changed.
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Actually modern weapons with machined parts have no place in rust. Like I said I don't mind the performance of the guns. I just wish they had a hand made graphic. I would love to see u in a survival scenario craft a shiny assault rifle similar to what a manufacturer like Colt can do in their machine factory. Just change the graphic. Make the m4 and others look like it was hand made.
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welcome to videogame development dude
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So you think the reason it's popular is all the stuff it has in common with the thousands of other FPS games out there? Not all the unique stuff?
If you want to hop around trying to quickscope people there's already plenty of games you can do that in. Don't try and make this game like them.
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Yeah, because it's not like we've ever seen an MP5 or an M4 in a game before...
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I hope so. Get rid of the modern weapons. Give me a spear and a giant lizard!
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I don't think that the guns are intended to be removed but sounds like in the future they will be the super rare items, to the extent that having one is a sign of prestige.
That said are guns required for an interesting PvP system? I think it would mean the dev's need to develop a more interesting melee system so we can have shields to block with and melee weapons suited to different tasks. New armour mechanics so each piece affect the area it covers along with more choices, Kevlar may become super rare with guns and the easy metal crafting alternative would be chainmail or platemail armour. There would need to be more weapons in general with different purposes such as a broad sword for piercing thick armour.
If developed right there could be a lot more strategy and skill involved in PvP caused by the rarity of these advanced guns and I personally wouldn't miss them if they were replaced by more improvised style weapons and clever game mechanics that mean the items people use change the tactics you need to fight them.
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The military grade weapons and explosives would definitely be a rare drop of some sort. While they add in makeshift firearms like the ones currently in the game as well as some spears and such.
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i think we could go as far as muzzle loading firearms right up to flintlock maybe even caplock. That would make it acceptable while M4s, Mp5s, and the P250 would be more on the rare side. Bolt action could be the pinnacle of the most basic firearms and the next gateway into the semi auto tier.
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remove military guns, replace with primitive weapons (matchlock,) implement hard skill based combat like mount & blade
the end
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I fully disagree with your opinion about the locked backpacks being laughable. Raiders can't simply go in guns blazing, they have to guard and fight the dropped packs. Huge improvement to balance, allowing respawned players a chance to retaliate and retrieve their items without having to mount a separate full raid.
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I agree up to a certain point. I think the game needs a lot more other dangers rather than just people (Which is why Garry is taking a poll, asking us what we want those shitty red wolves and bears to be replaced with)
Dumb x 21
Agree x 10
Disagree x 6
Funny x 1
Winner x 2
x 2
Zing x 1
