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Your only responding because your one of them. Yoou have nothing better to do than act like Garry's little back seat driver. Keep it up, maybe some day he will slap a star on your helmet. The lot of you are all a bunch of little tit sucking wannabe mods. Keep posting away and making your little 2 line witty responses to all of the concerned members who paid for this game just like you did (or didnt). You act as if they have no say and showing concern is a crime here. Get used to it and stop trying to white knight for the staff team. They are adults and know how to handle things.
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I didn't buy gold or have it bought for me, and I don't really see what my gold status has to do with anything.
You can shit post whether or not you have gold. Gold doesn't automatically make you important lol. Kind of like what you're doing now.
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well being "gold" is to nerdy for me. i like to play and not get cheated on, stop defending the game/devs. its a problem admit it.
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golds
you both shitpost
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I edited my last post for you since your to dumb to figure out the logic behind it.
(User was banned for this post ("Dumb trolling. Also "your to dumb" learn some grammar." - postal))
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Also, you seem a bit jealous there or perhaps I'm being entirely bent all out of shape, mate. Bullies at your middleschool keep taking your gold-money away from ya?
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My previous posts were actually useful and related to
now you're just shit posting to try and "Call out" golds, with, lol, guess what, childish unneeded banter. I'm not trying to white knight anyone, I'm just trying to correct you.
also, "You're too dumb"... what fucking irony... oh wait. ahahaah! you can't even spell. Even blue members think that you are shit posting. Please don't generalize me with the rest of the golds though that's pretty stupid of you.
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We acknowledge that hacking is a problem. I don't think anyone's arguing against that. There are specific reasons why hacking in Rust is so easy right now, and they can be boiled down to "because it's alpha and fairly early alpha at that." This will change in the future.
Where the arguments happen is when you guys get your entitlement whine on and a) insult the devs by saying they're doing nothing about hackers and need to do more, and b) insist that this become the highest priority of all in order to satisfy you.
You are actually expecting too much. You need to readjust your expectations.
"your to dumb"
Anyway, are you done complaining about shitposting by shitposting? You're derailing this topic to complain about other users posting off-topic derailing posts. And doing a terrible job at it.
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Same shit in every post. I see about 8-10 of you stroking each others egos feeding off each others 1 liners. I'll be on my way now.We acknowledge that hacking is a problem. I don't think anyone's arguing that.
Where the arguments happen is when you guys get your entitlement whine on and a) insult the devs by saying they're doing nothing about hackers and need to do more, and b) insist that this become the highest priority of all in order to satisfy you.
You are actually expecting too much. You need to readjust your expectations.
"your to dumb"
Anyway, are you done complaining about shitposting by shitposting? You're derailing this topic to complain about other users posting off-topic derailing posts. And doing a terrible job at it.
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I'm straight, and it seems like I haven't ever raped, or in fact had sex with a woman ever.
July 2008
7,883 Posts
Shut up.
You're being called out because you're a moron, not because of any Gold Member elitism. If you put some effort into thinking and posting like an actual human being, maybe you wouldn't so consistently get the short and shitty end of the stick.
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It looks like you just came here to flame and troll and bitch about people who are supporting Facepunch. You haven't even bothered to chime in with any thoughts whatsoever on what this actual thread was about.
I'll reiterate what I already posted though. The game is in Alpha and the top priority for the developers should be to "develop" the game.
They have already caught countless cheaters with VAC and 5000+ initially and counting with their implementation of Cheatpunch. How exactly is that ignoring the problem? It would be a waste of their time at this point to personally investigate individual reports of players cheating. VAC & Cheatpunch have been doing a better job (and automated at that) combined than anti-cheat measures I've seen in many other games. Additionally, it is highly likely they are gathering data on the cheats that players are using who haven't been banned yet for future ban waves.
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From this comment I can make two assumptions:
1) You love this game actually, and 20$ for 300hours is good value for money, therefore stop crying coz 0.066$ per hour of gameplay is really cheap.
2) You are a complete idiot, you sank 300 hours into something that wasn't fun and now you're here crying about it, you should have stopped at 10hours and waited from more progress from the dev's
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Hi, I'm not a gold member but I have been on here since before Rust was a thing.
There is literally no preferential treatment or advantage to being gold besides the bigger/animated avatar and access to the gold forums. Anyone can become gold by paying for it (or by having a high enough post count before 2006/07/08-ish).
The issue that people who were around before Rust have with the people who are just joining now is about the issue of entitlement. When you buy into a game in a early-access alpha state, you are expected to realise that the game isn't in a finished or developed state at that time. Think about the difference between when Minecraft was first in alpha versus where it is now (no weather, no biomes, no blocks besides grass, dirt, stone and water, only basic tools, no monsters besides zombies and the only animals were pigs and there was no health bar or sprinting or potions or ender dragon or nether, or anything really). In fact, think about what minecraft was like before alpha, Minecraft Classic, which was just a simple block building game with no premise or survival elements whatsoever.
Rust is arguably at that stage right now. The game is being actively developed and constantly updated with new features that may drastically change the game. Considering the game hasn't even been out for a year yet, a year from now you might not even recognize it. With that in mind, the main issue people are complaining about are hackers. Garry and his team have released updates and are continuing to work towards a hacker-free build of the game. Thousands of people have already been banned but there are simply so many people hacking that they haven't gotten around to banning them all yet. They simply cannot ban people based on reports since that is so prone to abuse it's not even funny, and yet people continue to post reports DEMANDING that offenders be banned despite it being made very clear that things don't work that way and that facepunch forum mods don't have the power to ban people within games (outside the forums). The only way to effectively deal with large amounts of hackers is by systematically working through the codebase and looking for ways to detect hacks that are using exploits as a way to automatically ban them. The facepunch team is delligently working through this as fast as they can and it really isn't reasonable for people with no experience in programming to essentially try to whip them and say "go faster!" when it really isn't helping anyone. It is certainly possible in the near-future that hacking in Rust will be the exception not the rule but until that time comes, will you please stop attacking facepunch mods and users who have nothing to do with the development of the game? And will you please stop attacking the developers who are already working hard to fix the problem? You really have no right to complain when you bought a in-development game that the developers are still developing. If I were you, I'd save my breath until the facepunch team stops working on the game when it is half-finished and still full of hackers, but given Garry's track record of supporting his other game for almost 8 years, I don't think you'll need to worry about that.
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reset the server every 24 hours and the problem is solved. There will be no cheaters will not be sorry for your items. Stay the only true testers
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This will not stop any hackers since they can still come on any moment and cause chaos at will
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Honestly the system that FP's got at the moment is very slow, but very effective and very accurate at punishing hackers.
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i'm still seeing people banned daily on our server by the cheatpunch i have to say well done a massive amount of hackers have been banned and i look forward to what the game brings in the future.
i would rather they take time to improve the game like they are doing instead of rushing it and causing more problems ;)
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Will not mind losing your stuff. It will not be like the soul cries. But cheatpunch will continue to evolve. The game will continue to evolve.
People like TS can quickly convince people that the server is full of cheaters and that play there useless.
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I'm not afraid to lose things so I do not pay attention to the cheaters. I'm just waiting for when they are banned. Waiting waiting waiting ... read the forum, play, waiting again. I think a lot of play as well. Do you think the players nerves of steel and they can wait forever? RUST competitors are not asleep!
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but in general, it's just a joke. Brainstorming.
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They don't need to get anything straight. They're making a game and they're letting you play it during the DEVELOPMENT TIMES. You owe them, not the other way around.
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Gimmick: They've already mentioned before that they don't ban people straight away. They spot the hackers, get their proof and add them to a list. Then they batch ban all at once at a RANDOM LATER DATE.
For those that don't know I'll explain why using this scenario:
. Say I'm a hacker and I make a cheating program that gives me wood and stone.
I use it to get a million wood. Nothing happens. Cool it worked. Use it to get a million stone, WHAM! VAC banned. AHA! So the stone hack had a flaw and was detected, let's work on that. THe hacker could then debug his hack to improve the stone cheat as that was detected.
. Now if VAC didn't insta-ban the hacker like it does now, he thinks the stone hack worked as well. The hack program spreads like wild fire and everyone has wood and stone aplenty. VAC continues to freely spot all the hackers and cheaters. Then after a time has passed they ban-stick the lot. None of them know exactly what got them banned but they all know they were cheating sods.
The only real reason that there are so many hackers in Rust is that it's popular and growing. Popular games attract more cheaters than pacman for obvious reasons. They want to look 'awesome' in front of others no matter how they got there. Systems are in place to nail them and you have to let them do it at the pace they have set.
Back on Topic: The game engine is still in it's infant stage. (alpha as pointed out MANY times). A LOT has still got to be done and the Devs are working on all the new stuff whether we can see it or not. We might only see some minor cosmetic surface stuff being added but the game has grown from 468mb when I first installed to a 1gb in size. Same map and almost all the same models. That's ~500mb of functional code. I wouldn't call that dragging their heels. I'd call that a LOT of bloody hard work. A lot of the initial bugs I've experienced, reported/confirmed with extra details where I could HAVE already been fixed.
Yes, they don't respond to all the threads on the forum and I'm glad that they don't. I'd rather they keep coding and spend the time improving the game.
Personally, I haven't seen/experienced any of the hacking going on, on the server I'm on. Seems like you've just been unlucky in server choices so far.
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Almost all the threads on the rust forum are complaining about being banned, why isn't the alpha complete, and hacking.
What are you doing?
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It can be very frustrating to even find out who is hacking in the first place.
Even reports of hackers (at least on my server) are taken with a grain of salt (innocent until proven guilty), but with invisible gear being more or less worthless and no form of spectator mode..
Garry - spectator mode plx
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Isn't this the kind of thing that could be modded in with server mods?
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I feel like there is a whole lot of presumption on what the priorities of the developers actually are.
I think that for a game such as rust, there can be a whole lot of priorities at once, and the way they are ordered might not be a way that will make the game immediately better. Some problems are large and complicated, so they can get shifted to the back to be fixed later.
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Its true that we don't have a complete insight into what the devs are doing, and I think they for the most part are doing a good job. But when I look at the trello they've set up, the skybox/dome has just been fixed. This for me seems like a bad priority, not because it shouldnt be done and not because I have a good idea how game development should be done. The reason is simple; They sold early access and should fix the most pressing issues first and worry about graphical issues later.
Right now the most annyoing bugs for me (notice the ME) is the stutter that occurs very often, the extreme CPU hog this game is (2500k @ 4,4 GHz and stilll 70-80% utilization at any point), the bugzone that is small radtown (invisible walls, extreme lagspikes when entering one of the buildings etc).
For me it seems that these issues should be fixed first. But hey, what do I know, right?
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Actually, optimisation comes last in game development. In any sort of programming.
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I do wonder why they're not adding more objects in the game (they will eventually)
I'd really love to see new content then a new skyline..
FacePunch is doing there best i know, don't tell me.. But i just wonder
why they're not creating a few new models instead of implement a new sky.
Cba about the sky, fun to have a new and improved one but i'd rather see a new mod for my gun, or defensive stuff for my base for example.
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Just a question :)
Have fun.
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Wouldnt it make sense to write optimized code straight away instead of doing the work twice? (ofc profiling and shit is hard without running code).
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the problem is that coding isn't a linear line of "write x, do y", it's more a kind of "why the fuck does this code work"
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So how about they let the users who want a refund get one. Since the game isnt released its basically a preorder.
Also it is pathetic how these forums are moderated. You would think the fact that so many people complain about it they would do something but hell, the guy who banned the OP was a dev.
Losing hope in this game by the minute.
Enjoy my $20
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I've been banned a million times and I think the mod's generally do a pretty good job, not sure what you're complaining about.
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1) that's something to take up with steam and valve doesn't do refunds unless it's something absolutely abysmal (like warZ or APB when it first came out)
2) that's one mod out of 10+ mods, one for each section of FP and more general mods who go everywhere.
3) i'm sure garry will be quite happy to take your $20 and put it towards something useful. like paying devs.
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You'd need to optimize the code after every content addition so you end up optimizing on every patch release. it doesnt make sense. First, you add content, then squash bugs, optimization comes very last on list of developers.
Rome 2: Total War has been out for months in retail and optimisation patches come thick and fast.
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Some people seem to forget they paid 20$ of the current product not the future. When you paid 20$ you paid for the game the way it was. They could stop development tomorrow if they wanted. You willingly bought into their alpha game so get it out of your head that somehow they owe you more then what you already got.
You don't buy a loaf of bread at the store and then go back to complain because it didn't come with all the ingredients to make a sandwich do you?
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I'm straight, and it seems like I haven't ever raped, or in fact had sex with a woman ever.
July 2008
7,883 Posts
That's kind of a bad example because bread isn't usually advertised as eventually being a sandwich, whereas Rust is advertised as eventually being a different game.
Your actual point is spot on, though. The game is advertised as eventually being better, not as being better; not to mention that "better" means a thousand things to a thousand people.
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I have to agree. The store page has big notices plastered all over that this is in alpha and what you can expect. There's nice banner saying: Report bugs here! Anyone who chose to ignore that... well...
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No one listens to that because they're too excited about having a "zombie survival game" to realize the giant blue sign beaming "Don't buy unless you want to give a shit"
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Not that you'll ever see this reply, but others will. Did it ever occur to the OP that wiping the server where these devastating hacks took place might also delete the evidence and information they need to solve the problem? Could it be that perhaps they are secretly collecting information even as this hacker plies his destruction to the world of Rust? If they tipped him off that they were on to how he is doing what he is doing, he may stop and wipe his tracks. People need to be patient. This game is in EARLY DEVELOPMENT and that includes security and anti-hack measures. What we don't want is a game bogged down with excessive security code and third party anti-cheats.
Facepunch is most likely trying to plug the holes that this hacker has found in their game code, rather than patching them with bandaids like Punkbuster, Cheatpunch, VAC, etc. In order to do that, they need the hacker to show them where the holes are. Once they are happy that the exploits in their game code are taken care of, THEN they'll apply the necessary anti-cheats to tighten it even more.
It's the old adage, you don't start bailing out the boat before you plug the holes.
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I agree. The game is pretty unplayable right now with the amount of hackers. Even if its in alpha, the game is not really enjoyable for the legit players... I'm going to take a break from ridiculous rust!.
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Quit talking out of your ass, at most since the game has been on steam, I seen it at PEAK, 54k... Thats no where NEAR the MILLIONS you're claiming play this game kiddo...
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