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LOL it IS released and we paid for it. hahaha most alphas and beta historically are FREE. Only in the past few years have companies decided to make us pay for access. Even Elder Scrolls Online was a free Alpha/Beta.
Since we paid for it, different rules apply. Sorry but calling it Alpha is not a cure-all salve
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BTW, guys use your brains and stop being agree cows with Garry. He won't give you a kiss just because you defend him or his game, you guys need to think for yourself.
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Just thought I might point out the contradiction.
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Except with the other you would have to buy it after the free point. Here you buy the early version and get the full for free.
Lucky for us we get people bitching about how unfinished it is.
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What is the contradiction? "things that aren't complete/working/in progress are gameplay, items, overall story" and "Base code not complete" are different. Do you understand the difference between a game engine and gameplay elements?
Come on dude, read my posts carefully before you try to post your clever one liners. You were wrong and it wasn't clever lol
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Do you understand what the Early Access scheme is for? The alpha/beta being for sale changes nothing, they are charging you for the privilege of trying the game before it's fully complete and then getting the full game when it is. An alpha is that, just an alpha and you can expect all kinds of game breaking bugs.
Most alpha and betas aren't free. Most aren't released to the public.
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Garry posted:
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Actually I think you will find that selling a game that is designated to be in an Alpha phase pretty much does imply things won't be perfect.
We are not being agree cows, we just have something you do not: Common sense.
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Supposedly, they have already made more money off alpha than they will ever make off of the full release lol. I can't believe you don't see the inherent problem with giving them all their money BEFORE it is complete. Just look at the Kickstarter games for PROOF. Obviously, I didn't learn my lesson till now.
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The fact you said that 'It implies the game is not completed' and then follow through saying 'It does not how ever say it wasn't completed'.
Stop embarrassing yourself. It is people like you who give the Rust Fora's a bad name.
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The store page is full of disclaimers explicitly saying that the game is not complete and won't be for some time. If you still bought it anyway, expecting a release quality product, then that's nobody's fault but yours.
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Obviously, but when you sell something it is put at a higher standard. a Free Alpha can have problems a pay-for Alpha should never have. Such as basic security problems.
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Please read earlier posts before you respond. Thanks bro :)
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There is not always a correlation between Cost and Standard. How, in any way possible. are these 'basic' security problems?
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An alpha is an alpha, paid or free doesn't make a difference. It's a game in early development, the standards should be the same.
Also please read store pages before blindly paying for games.
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Because two hackers came on an Official server and literally deleted ALL of the boxes, beds, sleeping bags, and items. How is that NOT a basic security problem when a hacker can edit the most basic elements of the Official server. Dang dude, i have to explain everything to you.
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I did, an addressed that in an earlier post. Please scroll up or use the page back button. I don't want to copy and paste my response to that everytime you say it.
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The only real difference is that you paid for the game itself - the early access to the alpha is an added bonus. If you wanted to, you could simply not play the alpha at all, and it would be no different from a standard pre-order.
The alpha is where they are working out the bugs, adding the actual content, and counter-acting hackers before the actual release. If the alpha hadn't been publicly available, then hacks likely would not exist for it, and things like noclip, dupe, and the mass suicide hack would have occurred during actual release. Instead, during alpha, these hacks/exploits have been discovered rapidly and fixed. Imagine the impact it would have had on the game if these game-breaking hacks had happened in the actual release.
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Hmmm seems like you are suffering from what's called The Dunning-Kruger Effect.
A basic security problems would be, for example: Someone being able to gain Administrator access by changing their name. How ever, this seems to be a it more than that, don't you think?
Also, this should help you with my post:
Or in laymen's terms: You are literally too dumb, to know you are so dumb.
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Actually, that is a good way to look at it and if I did see it as just a pre-order I would agree with you. I could always just downgrade my expectations of Alpha. I just did not expect hackers to be the main problem with the Alpha, I was hoping the main problem would be fixing bugs and adding new gameplay/features and stuff.
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76561198126178375 Banned for!! please understand
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You might try not cheating on your next account.
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lol someone started to take this personally. So your response to me is that I am stupid, yet you felt it necessary to copy and paste wikipedia in order to say it? Brevity is a virtue, just say "Your an idiot".
I understand what your saying, you think i am oversimplifying the problem. Perhaps it isn't a basic security problem, as I said. Either way, when a hacker can edit the entire server like that, it's not good. So how is that not a HUGE problem when a hacker can edit the entire server like that? Basic or not, it's ridiculous.
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You're still complaining about an unfinished game that that has issues?
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You still making dumb posts to get your post count higher?
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I'm sorry, but if you are going to criticise someone, get it right: "You're an idiot."
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You got me.
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I know, I constantly make spelling mistakes between You're and Your. But I never correct people's spelling so I don't get why you are angry. The greatest dick move someone can make is correcting other people's spelling, don't you agree? It's essentially saying "I have no real argument to make so instead I will attack your spelling of words" Very sad that you had no argument to make
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You're the one arguing that its unjust that an unfinished game has loopholes/exploits/hacks because you paid for it. I believe you're the one with the lack of argument here.
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If you want to continue this, PM me.
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Hello, my friends and I ran into this steam ID while playing: 76561198089632073
A quick check revealed he was banned for hacking, but that doesn't seem to be stopping him from logging into servers and ruining people's days.
Account looks like it's an obvious side-account though so he probably doesn't care.
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I don't think hacking was expected at this scale. Hackers tend to attract other hackers, and once they've made their nests it can be difficult to get rid of them. VAC ought to tire them out eventually though, but it's a slow process since VAC has delayed bans to avoid giving away what triggered it.
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Not really, I paid for a product with reasonable expectations to test out some of the available Alpha features. I played for a while, then a hacker deletes everything on the server. So my ability to test the available Alpha features was interrupted due to a security flaw that allows 3rd parties to make drastic changes in the game. Obviously, this should be addressed immediately. Is this acceptable? No.
Please understand, It's not all the hacks that get me riled up. There seems to a big difference in a hacker being able to affect their own character (aka, walk through walls, no recoil, light hack, ESP) and the ability of a hacker to affect everyone else (suicide hack, delete items/boxes/bed). I am saying that it's a way bigger (and more unacceptable) problem when a hacker effect the entire server. Not just some dumb no recoil hack or something, this was a "delete everything on the server" hack.
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Ok I think we are all thinking the same thing right now: If you are so unhappy, just stop posting, stop playing, make everyone's lives just that bit easier.
We have tried to have a calm and rational debate, but you have made this a chore. Is it acceptable for someone who has no knowledge of what is required to make a game, show complete disrespect to the people making them, and their work? No, it isn't. Get off your high horse, and be constructive or no one will take you seriously.
I know that you feel that a game in Alpha should be perfect, but that just isn't going to happen. This has gone off topic from hackers, and if you still think you have a valid point to make, make a thread about it.
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You know that the cheating problem is actually being addressed right now? It's called cheatpunch and I heard there is a large thread about it.
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Yeah, i didn't say it wasn't being addressed. It's just not being addressed half as well as it should be. Hacks that effect the entire server shouldn't be possible.
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Obviously, this is a big problem right now. Lots of threads have been made about entire servers being wiped by these hackers, I am not the only one.
One of the ways these things get done is by lots of people letting everyone else know. And this is the thread about CheatPunch
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But sadly they are possible in all bigger multiplayer games. But thankfully the developer is trying to work against it right?
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Hmmm plz how many time does it take to ban a hacker when u report someone on steam with SHIFT + TAB etc and on the forum here.
He is named "Mr Smoke :D" and always do the "mass sucide hack" its veeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeery anoying......
Im only wait one thing, that he gets banned
PS: i report him 4 days ago on steam, and 3 days ago on that Thread
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ALL large multiplayer games? I have never heard of an entire WoW server getting their items wiped. The only place I can think of hacks like this is the DayZ Mod but that was FREE.
I am not talking about ESP, light hack, aimbot....I am talking about the hack that deletes all the items on the server.
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You're repeating the same old arguments over and over again.
Here's an example or a well known set of multiplayer games having hacks to screw over the whole server: In 2011 when there was the upload/download exploit in the source engine, and you could gain access to the rcon command if you downloaded the server.cfg file.
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I wasn't making the same argument, I was responding to The Saiko. Hacks like that are NOT in all multiplayer games. And yes, but if you also remember, as soon as someone used that they were VAC banned. So it was a loophole covered by VAC. It might have been luck on their part but it was still covered.
Hint: if you stop talking to me directly I will probably stop responding.
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Actually no one was VAC banned for that initially. Because they were using valves code without modifying the memory in any way. And I am not saying you were making any new arguments, but the fact that everyone one of your arguments has been discussed, and we have tried to tell you how your expectations are absurd, you still maintain you are justified in feeling the way you are.
Look, you don't know what you are talking about, this isn't a 'basic' hack, and the mere fact that Cheatpunch caught 5000 cheaters within the first week proves that it wasn't 'shitty'. Why don't you just stick to your other thread, I am sure it will have already been noticed by a developer. It doesn't really have anything to do with CheatPunch.
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You keep putting words in my mouth. I clarified earlier that whether its a basic hack or not, it's unacceptable. It was a long post directly in reply to you so I find it hard to believe you forgot about it. Also, I don't think CheatPunch is shitty, you quote it like I said that.
Of course I am justified in feeling how I am. I paid for a product, it's called my opinion, which I was arguing for, and I am not the only person super disappointed by this crazy delete hack. Even if you think, and you do, that my reasons for being disappointed are absurd, that doesn't mean i have to shut up. Stop saying "We" too, you act like the world is on your side and it sounds presumptious.
You're the reason I am still talking. I hope you know that. lol
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