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Stop relating cheating in a game to raping people in real life dude.
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March 2010
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And I say you're an idiot because not everyone with VAC bans are rampant cheaters. I did it once. Fully knowing I would get banned. Because I was done playing MW2 and wanted to go out with a bang. And I don't mean I wanted to rape anyone, so stop with your stupid fucking rape analogies.
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Well, neither would I. lol
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Okay fair enough. In my defence though, something that looks like this: vac_exceptions _file_ (with exceptions ids) does kinda look like a file that would allow VAC banned players onto their server if their id was put in.
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thats what they all say and its pretty pathtetic to believe someone believes YOU!
once a steam acc is marked its worthless, but hey its yours!
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Well, I don't have to prove anything to you. I don't cheat in Rust. The lack of a VAC ban in Rust is testament to this. And I feel that I'm better off not playing with you whiny, judgmental types anyway - when I kill you legitimately I bet you cry hacker regardless.
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i never said anything about rape? i said that you wouldn't want to associate your children with a pedophile like you wouldn't want to associate your server with a known cheater. it's a rather asexual analogy, although you seemed to draw that in your personal defense as i am essentially equating you with a pedophile. LoL
ah, i see. i'm the idiot. because marking your account purposefully just to achieve some self gratification at the expense of others' gameplay makes you a living library of alexandria, doesn't it? :)
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there are plenty of hackers in rust which are a testament to VAC inefficiency, as they hack successfully and go unbanned. so in truth your lack of ban is a testament to nothing but that, and proves nil. your record makes you remain questionable, and shady, as all others with prior bans are. hence the creation of this entire topic.
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No, it only proves you have no idea how VAC works. It isn't instant! They're getting flagged, they're getting reviewed, they're absolutely going to get banned. I personally have only seen two blatant cheaters in the past month. There's no cheating "epidemic" like you crybabies are making it seem.
My record is about as shady as someone who committed a speeding offense 10 years ago is still a "criminal." So if you want to go ahead and imply that I still cheat, then I am happy to not be associated with someone as bigoted as you.
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i strongly disagree. there are cheaters who go undetected. that is a reality. and in this game, they can strip a player of hours of hard work unjustly. as an admin, i would not want anyone who 1. currently engages in such behavior, or 2. previously engaged in such behavior, to be anywhere near my server.
and ehh with speeding there are too many separations. you might be racing to work, you might be late for something important. i'd say a good analogy would be if you were a serial killer.
much like serial killers, cheaters are driven to cheat by either inherent desires/character flaws, or negative life experiences that develop them into the individuals that they are.
let's say it was within the grounds of the law. if a notorious serial killer got out of a psych ward and told you that he was no longer interested in murder at all, would you want to be friends? or would you be cautious and try to keep your distance in the event that said killer still relished murder?
cheating doesn't equal murder, of course. just saying that the approach would be the same. stay away/keep the person out.
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Okay. But I cheated 4 years ago. I am open to admitting it. How many cheaters on this forum actively deny cheating even though it's blatantly obvious? I am the least of your worries. If someone got VAC banned some 5 days ago, sure, I wouldn't want to play with them either, but having a "VAC BAN = OBVIOUS CHEATER, GET BANNED" attitude does more harm than it's actually worth.
Stop comparing cheating to pedophilia and murder. You can't casually get off to kids or kill someone like you can casually cheat in a videogame.
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I wasn't going to get involved in this argument but I think you need to chill with the extreme analogies. First of all, comparing cheating on a video game and a serial killer is not viable at all. For someone to be a serial killer, they usually have a warped mind and have serious mental issues. Someone who cheats on a game clearly knows that there are no extreme consequences to his/her actions.
The fact that you're acting like cheating is someone acting out because of negative life experiences is just insane. I used to cheat on the first few Pokemon games because I thought "Hell, I want to be able to catch all the Pokemon." not because of something stupid like "Oh lord, because I wasn't loved as a kid, I feel like having all the Pokemon indirectly fills the void of being unloved."
That's just a stupid way to think and you're really over complicating it. I in no way condone cheating on a game that is strictly multiplayer (If it's a random single player game, who cares? It has no effect on anyone else). The thing is though, I personally don't see that much hacking on Rust and I think that although they absolutely need to stop it from being in multiplayer games, if someone cheated on something 4-5 years ago, it's completely unfair to think "Well, they are 100 percent gonna cheat on Rust."
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thats all hypothetical. i never even mentioned that you hacked nor cheated in rust or did i?
but thats exactly what i have expected to read from a guy that is marked by vac, all the time the same stupid excuses and accusations that others are whiny little turds.
well played but failed like every other 12 year old playing this game.
sorry if i hit your feelings ;)
all i am saying is that once an account is marked its worthless to me and honestly the person owns it.
i wouldnt even post a single comment when everyone could see my steam account that is marked as a dirty little cheater, because thats what you are, maybe not now but you cheated in an online game to get an advantage.
or in your words "wanted to go out with a bang"
seriously?
and please attack my lacking english skills and grammar because this would be the next thing i expect!
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my analogies are extreme but not fallacious. people who enjoy hacking/cheating rather than legitimate play have different mental makeups. this is leagues lesser, but are psychopaths and sane people not a coinciding, albeit not equivalent, example?
i was also speaking in terms of multiplayer experiences. if you are cheating in a single player game, you are compensating, but you are not giving yourself an advantage over living beings. you are not harming others, as AI has no feelings. people who hack in multiplayer experiences are compensating, lashing out, or simply trying to damage others. this is indicative of a different mental makeup. again, this ties into the extremity of my metaphors.
stupidity is in the eye of the beholder, and i find your condescension amusing, as you have utilized that term for my view when in fact you directly misrepresent my argument in the same paragraph. where did i say he would 100 percent cheat on rust? i said that it is logical to eliminate the ELEVATED RISK of him cheating on rust. because of his history, he is a higher risk individual as opposed to someone who has never displayed that particular mental makeup before.
i am a psychologist, so perhaps i am extreme in my analysis. but typically if a patient displays a negative type of behavior once, it will repeat itself in time or manifest in other negative forms. from my experience, i deduce that it is logical to pre-emptively eliminate the risk of hacking by automatically banning players who have been VAC banned within other titles. whether you accept that or not is beans to me.
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I was over exaggerating with my last line and yes it was vague but because it's written in words it's always more difficult to get that across. It is implied that you'd expect him to cheat though. I think you're looking into this far too much. There will be people who hack just for fun and there will also be people who hack while still trying not to alert other people. That's simply them trying to either enjoy the game in a way that most people disagree with or with the second example, try to portray themselves as a better player than they actually are.
I apologize if you felt I was trying to be condescending, maybe the use of the word stupid was harsh. I do still feel like you are being far too judgmental and I do believe you are extreme in your analysis.
I also don't think you can say one person is at a higher risk than another. The reason I say this is because again, it's a video game and the consequences are a lot less extreme. I know you can use past examples to back up your argument, but for someone to hack in a game, there has to be a first time. So even these people who you are saying have an elevated risk, at a time they had never hacked before. I know you see this differently, but you can't say "Well certain behaviors would point towards them hacking." because unless you knew the person outside of a video game, there's no way to find that out.
I know you could turn around and use the "would you befriend a serial killer." example again but I've also stated that it's too extreme and they are far too different. Would I let someone who had cheated on a game 4-5 years ago onto a Rust server? Yes I would. If they hacked on that server, then they can get banned once they've done that.
I guess I look at Rust differently to a lot of people, I don't want hackers as much as the next person and they should do what they can to stop it, but they cannot stop the hackers before they've hacked.
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cute how Protocol7 marks my reply as "dumb"
got nothing else to say?
no more arguments (real arguments)?
unable to handle critics?
little rascal we all know you keep on cheating when you get mad, your overall behaviour proofs it
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He actually compared pedophilia and murder to a simple game cheat?
That's remarkable.
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110%. You have nothing to base someone's future actions off of other than their prior performance and actions. Someone who has been VAC banned before has compromised integrity. I don't care what game it's on. And with a game as frustrating as Rust, I would expect them to revert to their old habits much faster than others.
But also, cheating on a video game is not at all comparable to murder, pedophilia, or even theft. That's silly.
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yeah keep those vac marked "users" out of any game
i would prefer to delete their whole steam account once a cheater got cought
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Considering your argument is little more than "LOL YOU CHEATED ONCE, YOU'RE ALWAYS A CHEATER AND SHOULD LOSE YOUR ACCOUNT" I think that says all we need to hear about your "argument." I know for a fact I don't cheat in Rust. Unlike the cheaters who claim they didn't after they got VAC banned, my Rust account is in good standing. There is no argument because you're objectively wrong and too bigoted and conceited to accept that, in fact, not everyone cheats all the time.
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I have no idea how VAC works beside the faq that its a anti-cheat. :\ LOL
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you are the biggest retard i have seen this week, and this means a lot while browsing through this forum.
again and just for you, try to activate your brain first, then read and then reply.
and yes no one trusts any vac marked users. you should lose your whole account, thats right!
(User was banned for this post ("flaming/chill out already" - postal))
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Were you on Steam back when this used to be the case? A buddy of mine was hacking on Counter-Strike 1.6 and his ENTIRE account got nixed. Frankly, I wish they could go back to that. But I feel like there's a legality issue there...
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i did not make a direct comparison. i proposed the argument that making the analogy is not fallacious, as both a murderer and a hacker have different mental makeups/behaviors than we see demonstrated in typical baseline human beings.
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yes and i also know someones account has been completely disabled (not removed and no vac on it), i dont want to talk about the reason behind but yes they also do that if you mess around ;)
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I have a VAC Ban from when i was young and stupid, and bored of CS 1.6...never hacked since then, never hacked before, all your points are invalid. Hacking isn't THAT bad in Rust, and I play multiple servers...I haven't seen a hacker since before the falldmg hack. Obviously they're there, but they always will be, always. Hackers actually have to USE hacks for VAC to work properly, otherwise they'd never catch new code for newer programs. And I think the 3day-7day wait on VAC bans make people think VAC doesn't work, or there is some kind of problem, when really, one day a week thousands of people get the ban hammer. It's just to be not obvious, otherwise coders know exactly what hacks are bad and you don't net all the hackers for the ban, just ban a few and word spreads and people stop using the detected hacks. Lets get real, most people have enough money to buy the game time and time again, and keep hacking, hell the hacks probably cost more then the game if you can't code, meaning hackers WILL buy the game over and over, which is good for Face Punch :D
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Given that there is No lacking of rust players, and That this game Is incredibly harsh on folks when they lose they can lose hours of work and effort, Would I choose to play with The Clean Never before vac banned Players or The Previously banned sort? - Of Course i would rather not play with People with a Black mark on the account so I use Groupgate On My server and The Instant anyone with a Vac Ban Joins it kicks them off and tells them No vac banned players allowed try another server.
is it wrong? - No I pay the monthly fee so its my choice
Does cheating In Online Games? equate to murder or pedophila or theft? - No - but it is indeed The same type of antisocial behavior.
Also if i Suspect someone of Cheating and i see the steam account has 1 game on it, I ban them simple as that if i have a reasonable suspicion and the account is clearly Only for rust. ya its gone. Sure they can rebuy and do it all over again be my guest That way they can help support rust more.
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Pretty much what it boils down too. Just like people complaining admins use their powers abusively, find another playground.
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or try to stay legit mister "igotvacced" ;)
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I was born legit, and with a shirt with a flipped up collar.
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So what? people who were idiot kids on half life years and years ago should be autobanned from servers in rust?
Your attitude to everyone you reply to is sour and shit, and your level of arrogance really just is incredible.
please go
I shouldn't even have to explain why disabling an account for a vac ban is dumb either. Because they were being a little shit they should loose potentially thousands of dollars of games? What if their account was hacked? Now they can't even get it back ever, period.
I think I'd sooner attack your constant need to sound superior to everyone who isn't perfect lol.
this is like throwing a potato at a guys head and telling him "kill yourself your a drunk" when he's been sober for 20 years. Way to be a little psycho.
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yes this would be the best deal to go
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I can't expect VAC to understand I've been legit since birth, and by extension anything I do is legit because it's rationalized by how legit I am and for so long, so I sucked it up, just like any real legit person and forgave VAC after Gaben said sorry in his prayers to me, then I helped test HL3
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Maybe cheating is more like a building code violation.
No one gets physically injured and no property is lost or destroyed.
It's just a breaking of the rules with an appropriate fine.
But no one gets fined in video games, so that's absurd.
How about sneezing on someone elses food?
It ruins it for them, and the sneezer doesn't really get anything out of it.
If you're belligerent about it you might get turned away from the table.
That makes more sense to me.
I know that's from several posts back, but thought my 2 cents might help sort out murder from mashing buttons.
I'll show myself out...
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Lol, well, I found it funny enough. However, if I was to be picky, I'd say that the sneezing analogy doesn't work. Cheating gives someone an advantage so it can't be compared to the person who sneezes in someones food.
I think this thread should die now though, everyone is just going in circles. lol
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Dammit. I wish I wouldn't have bought that gameshark for my N64 back in the day. Well, at least now I know I'm wired differently and doomed to anti-social behavior and sexual deviance for the rest of my life
I guess I'll go find a corner somewhere and cry about my doomed existence; all because I cheated at a video game when I was 12.
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you cheated when you were 12
man, you should be banished from the internet!!!!
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oh noes another big mouthed smart arse
do you honestly think i would care about your opinion? i dont
and yes valve disabled this account i mentioned, why do you even argue when you got no idea what happened, pls get lost
and again, i couldnt care less about who you are and what you think.
see ya
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You download software to get an advantage over other players. BAN!!!!
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I think he's saying because moniter's have it built in(Which is total bullshit, really), or people can put a dot on their screen it's not really fair, or important to ban such people. Which i'd be inclined to agree with if it really mattered, like if REAL people watched videos and it took real money/manpower to make a ban wave. Which it doesn't, VAC does the same work banning 1000 users as to banning none in a week span, same amount of scans. Then again, his arguement is getting damn close to 'I started hacking to kill other hacker's' arguement which is dumb as hell too.
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Watch out guys, don't cheat or else you'll go to vac jail.
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as i explained earlier, cheating against a.i. demonstrates compensation for a personal fault, which is not necessarily indicative of the exceptionally negative behaviors. there are too many outlying factors.
however, going through these means to gain advantages over other human beings is indicative of negative behavior trails and odd mental makeups. hackers, cheaters, etc are typically compensating for flaws pertaining to other human beings, as opposed to flaws with the game, making the subject infinitely different.
i'll ask for the future here; if you're going to respond to me further, please read all of the information that i have laid out. my analogies and points have been largely misrepresented, either due to laziness or ignorance. i would like to think that the issue is the former.
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