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Hi!
Admins need server commands like:
vac_autokick BOOL (kick players who have vac bans after before connect), I think it good idea.
vac_exceptions _file_ (with exceptions ids)
vac_timecheck DAYS (how long player have VAC, "vac_timecheck 1000" - allow players who have vac <1000 days)
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There is a mod for this, at least for the autokick feature. I have no idea if they have the other features though
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Wait am I miss something here? I don't know a lot about VAC bans, but I know where they come from and why/how they are issued. So why should Admins be allowed to have exceptions for VAC banned players?
If I'm missing something, let me know.
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Plugin cant check on loading. Need native support.
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For people who have had prior VAC bans on other games. VAC doesn't ban you from all your games, just the one you cheat on. People normally don't want players with prior VAC bans on their servers because it shows they are capable of it.
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VAC does not work like this.
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That I understand, but if VAC doesn't ban people from all games, then why would you need an exception file for Rust?
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I think VAC for all games.. :)
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It doesn't ban you from all games. Regardless, if what you mean is that you should be able to make exceptions for people who do have VAC bans for Rust, then that's a bad idea.
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From what I gather if VAC banned it removes the game in question and you have to repurchase it. Also it marks your profile with a VAC warning for x days. Honestly I dont see why this wouldnt work other sites can see ban status so how hard is it to just implement a code that block VACed user...
Example: http://steamrep.com/profiles/76561198005854860
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This is not true. if you get VAC banned from Rust you still own the game, can still launch, download and patch Rust. You may attempt to join rust servers, but you will be denied access automatically if the server is VAC secure. when people say "you got banned, repurchase the game" they're suggesting that the banned user creates a new steam account and repurchases the game there. Also the VAC warning is a permanent mark on that user's account and will never be removed.
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It also isn't always cheating when you get vac banned. Plenty of people get vac banned for things like overlays or pov editors ect.
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? But it kicked them automatically once they joined, I fail to see the problem here
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And altering the game to get an advantage with an overlay or pov editor ect is not cheating?
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Anybody is capable of cheating.
Good to know that anybody who cheated on Counter-Strike 1.6 when they were 12 isn't allowed to play on your rust server though :)
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Spreading lots of misinformation huh?
No, people get banned correctly 99.9% of the time. the only cases I know of where people have been falsely flagged is the whole hacked lobby thing in MW2.
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The chance for a false positive with rust is as high as my chance of getting laid tonight.
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I think that overlay isn't equal to cheats like (aimbot, noclip, wallhack).
You cant ban a person for a stupid overlay, anyone who has an ASUS(specific model lets you add overlay) monitor can use that, you can stick a piece of paper or place a dot with a marker and you will never know if that person did this, VAC will not ban them, but for a simple overlay program (a dot overlay or cross hair) you get permanently banned and ur 20EUR goes to waist, whats up with that ? Wheres the equality in that ?
VAC should ban the real cheaters for real cheats not for some dot on the screen...
I guess someone could win a lawsuit with these arguments.
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So... someone here is looking for a way to autokick anyone who has had a VAC ban on a different game?
That's about the most idiotic thing I've ever heard. Some people actually learn from their mistakes.
That's like excluding a criminal from life/community, just because he did it before doesn't necessarily mean he is doomed to repeat it.
Please give such people the benefit of doubt and let them play. If they misbehave again, VAC will get them.
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That's exploiting the game, you aren't meant to have a crosshair.
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As an admin I do not want anyone that has had a VAC ban on their account on my server. I do not give a damn how long ago or what game it was, once a cheater ALWAYS a cheater.
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Nope. Because it's a game, and only affects this one gaming part of your life. You cheat too much while driving? You lose your license. OP has a completely valid request. If someone has been cheating in Dayz, Warz, and CS:GO....I can assume that they are not someone I want on my server.
Besides, this is being requested for private servers. An admin has the right to choose that, it's his server. If you don't like a VAC check, then make your own server and allow people who cheat at 6 other games (but certainly would never cheat at Rust) to play there with you.
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I understand that but such a cruel punishment for such a simple thing... one or two weeks is ok but permanently thats racist !
(User was banned for this post ("image macro" - postal))
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More like discrimination.
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has long made the Autobahn, check the new players in the database through vacbanned.com
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A huge percentage of criminals are repeat offenders.
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Mainly because in america prison means you can pretty much forget getting a job.
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Maybe so, but why implement something that also affects the people who cheated but want to better them selves so to speak?
VAC is doing a fine job, IF they cheat again, they will get caught.....
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I support this because clearly when I cheated on MW2 4 years ago I am also currently a cheater on Rust which is how I have not been VAC banned yet. Genius!
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The problem is that most cheaters will open a new steam account and repurchase the game. Aside from vac banning specific ip addresses (which would mean innocent people who share the ip would not be able to play) there is no way to stop cheaters from buying a new game on a new steam account, and logging back on under whatever player name they want (including their old player name that was banned on their other account(s)).
It would be nice if there was a way to ban cheaters; however, there isn't.
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All we really need in Rust is an easier way to ban people and an easier way for admins to spectate users. It's pretty obvious when someone's cheating in most cases.
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Literally, the only thing you need, at all to detect cheaters is the ability to spectate.
Fairly sure someone can mod the game to allow this.
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It's not giving admins an exception. It's providing admins a tool to automatically kick/ban players that join the server with prior VAC bans.
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do you feel comfortable kicking legit players because of previous actions?
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please for gods sake get a brain!
its an advantage and as soon as you get an advantage OVER OTHER PLAYERS its considered as cheating.
even if you take a marker and paint a fkin DOT in the middle of your screen is cheating, you just cant get caught by that
got that now?
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You don't know anything.
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i definitely would. would you want to give a starving self proclaimed reformed pedophile a babysitting job, or turn him away and keep him away from your kids? it's called risk aversion. he knew he would become a pariah when he did it, anyways. even if it was years prior.
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You're comparing a pedophile to a kid who probably cheated in a dumb game like 3-5 years ago.
Do you realize how ridiculous you are? Not only that, I'm willing to bet over 50% of gmod coders even started coding because they wanted to learn how to cheat. That's how I did it and majority of my friends. Hell even the creator of ZS created cheat.
Your reasoning is a fallacy and poor, and sure, you could always say "To be safe" but your range of "just to be safe" is actually "way too safe"
Why dont you wrap your kids in bubble wrap while you're at it?
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Because it's hard to have kids when you're 11
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You might want to rephrase your statement. I'm going out on a limb here and assuming you play on a computer with better specs than the 5 year old laptop I do. This gives you an advantage, are you cheating?
Is using surround sound headphones cheating?
Have you ever used skype/ts/vent? Were you cheating then?
My mouse has a full numpad, does that mean I am cheating at every game?
Cheating is not a simple cut and dry question of advantage.
As far as the VAC related commands, there is no need for them to be built in. VAC is implemented the way they want it to be, FP should not waste their development time to help the small group that want VAC to work differently bypass the way its designed. There are modders out there that will make plugins for this that you can use, search for them.
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don't apply your mentality to a description of a general population. some of us here have no desire whatsoever to cheat, or further our gains by any illegitimate measure unless they exist within the grounds of the game.
you actually spent time constructing a cheat; that makes you questionable. my metaphor was not fallacious. some people are not as forgiving as others, and if they are paying for servers, said folks have every right to excommunicate those who they might deem a threat to the legitimacy of a product that they purchased. preemptively or not.
my metaphor was extreme, but is distinctly parallel. as an admin, a server is like a child that you nurture and care for. if you do not, it will die. when cheaters are as detrimental to a servers as pedophiles are to a child, parents and admins alike must be able to detect and preemptively be rid of these risks.
why do you think sex offenders must inform surrounding residents? like a sex offender, i would prefer not to associate with former cheaters, even if they are not scum any longer. no risk, no detriment.
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because clearly when I cheated on MW2 4 years ago
Because it's hard to have kids when you're 11
even if i was in all actuality 11 years old, i would have called you scum then, and i call you scum now.
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