1. Post #81
    XoX

    September 2010
    244 Posts
    You don't get it: You cannot try something implausible. It's like letting someone try to walk upside down on the ceiling...
    There's that part too.

  2. Post #82
    steamfreak's Avatar
    July 2008
    123 Posts
    You don't get it: YOu cannot try something implausible. It's like letting someone try to walk upside down on the ceiling...
    I dont think you understand my point, let me explain it in as much detail as possible.

    Why not let him try something that he thinks is possible? Even when you and everyone else thinks its not.

    If a kid walked up to you and said "Hey, if i flap my arms hard enough, i think i can fly." Are you going to tell him "No, humans cant fly, ever." Or are you going to sit back and watch as he tests it and figures it out on his own?

    If you tell the kid he cant fly hes most likely going to blame you, or at least be upset that you fucked his whole world view.

    Again, ill ask you guys, why not let him try?
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  3. Post #83
    Learn from history, don't become it.
    Onisan's Avatar
    January 2014
    63 Posts
    Look, steamfreak - if he wants to try something let him rent his own server and test it there. Otherwise there's no point in letting him waste some other poor saps time.

  4. Post #84

    January 2014
    33 Posts
    Well, if you don't want an answer to your question, don't ask it. You could say: "Shut up and let him try." Instead you are asking 'why' and don't accept any answers.

  5. Post #85
    steamfreak's Avatar
    July 2008
    123 Posts
    Look, steamfreak - if he wants to try something let him rent his own server and test it there. Otherwise there's no point in letting him waste some other poor saps time.
    Now your starting to get it.

    Well, if you don't want an answer to your question, don't ask it. You could say: "Shut up and let him try." Instead you are asking 'why' and don't accept any answers.
    Now your being technical.. I ask why simply because its funny to watch you struggle to understand my twist on humor.
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  6. Post #86

    January 2014
    22 Posts
    In that case, why not let him try?
    If people are talking like XoX, and he isn't alone with his opinion, it's time to get the point where dreams end and thinks are impossible. Loominal stated he has a server and asked for instructions. So there is one's trying already.

    And yes after thinking about... injecting dll's into windows would be similar to alter shared objects within linux which aren't pgp'ed... if it'll be possible you can also announce root password of server as a motd.
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  7. Post #87
    iSoldier's Avatar
    January 2014
    25 Posts
    Thanks steamfreak.

    Again, I say to you all, if you do not understand script injection detection, go google online classes or something to help you understand it.

    To those of you who are trying to figure out what I'm using? That's not going to happen.

    I am not going to just give out what I use, I want to first test it privately, and if it doesn't work, then so be it, but guess what.

    If someone decides to inject a script to the server and elevate their permissions to Admin to shut down the server? It denies them access to doing that by banning their IP from connecting ever again or until they change their IP.

    I like all the questions, but please, sort out your thoughts before you hit the Post Quick Reply button after ranting for a quick sentence. The things most of you are spouting off are entirely false, and gives me a idea that I shouldn't post about fixes anymore. I like to help communities of games, I have worked with www.i-stats.net personally and discovered that what I have and use works, confirmed by them. If you know anything about cheat detection via stats in games, these guys are the ones to go to.

    I just came here to ask a simple question, and instead I got told that its impossible, and doesn't work and cant work because its not a "thing". Well I wouldn't still be here if it "wasen't" a THING.

    Cheers!


    Edited:

    Look, steamfreak - if he wants to try something let him rent his own server and test it there. Otherwise there's no point in letting him waste some other poor saps time.
    If I could get the files to put it on my own PC at home, I would just host the server myself, I have a powerful enough server to run this, and both of my FTB Minecraft servers. With ease.

    Only thing is, they don't allow people to get servers anymore from what I read.
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  8. Post #88
    No title or gold masterrace, whoops.
    Teddybeer's Avatar
    July 2012
    5,223 Posts
    Again, I say to you all, if you do not understand script injection detection, go google online classes or something to help you understand it.
    I'm lazy, link me.

  9. Post #89
    iSoldier's Avatar
    January 2014
    25 Posts
    ok i soldier i have a server what do you need to implement it
    How can I contact you further for testing?

    Edited:

    I'm lazy, link me.
    Here, let me google that for you

    (User was banned for this post ("Let Me Google That For You" - Craptasket))
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  10. Post #90
    No title or gold masterrace, whoops.
    Teddybeer's Avatar
    July 2012
    5,223 Posts
    I'm going to sit here and frown until you link me for real and not some bullshit.

  11. Post #91
    DaddyC's Avatar
    January 2014
    83 Posts
    Lol. You can be banned for posting that link? It a virus or something?

    Or just pissed at his sense of humor? lol


    ~ C

  12. Post #92
    steamfreak's Avatar
    July 2008
    123 Posts
    Wow, you really banned him for that? It was simply a sarcastic response using a website meant exactly for that purpose.

    Why do i even bother with these forums if Mods can simply ban on a whim.


    Lol. You can be banned for posting that link? It a virus or something?


    Or just pissed at his sense of humor? lol




    ~ C
    Its not a virus, its a website that you can use to make sarcastic replies, the website literally Googles it for you.

    Im actually upset that he got banned for that. I think its about time we started redoing the rulebook around here, i just took a look at the section rules and found nothing against Let me google that for you.
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  13. Post #93

    January 2014
    47 Posts
    Actually I have had a 100% catch rate so far via Minecraft and World of Warcraft, and ARMA3.
    What are you talking about here seriously? Are you author of a system implemented on both these 3 softwares and that is proven to have caught every cheat on these three softwares. Sounds phony.

    VAC does not work serverside.
    It scans your memory which it obviously does on your PC, not magically from the server.
    If you think it works differently then I am happy to listen.

    Considering the amount of cheat around on Rust, we safely assume that VAC is not up to the task. It was designed for CS, so far I understand it detect significants signatures of known hacks. It surely cannot help that much on an alpha software using an minor engine (and not source that all valve games use).


    All of this sounds nice until someone purchases a VPN and says their IP is a random IP in India. Then your anti cheat pretty much fails.

    Not even a matter of VPN. Is IPv6 completely deployed? No it's not. Are there enough IP with IPv4 right now for every internet user? No, it's not the case. It's not new that some provider, in India but not only, do NATs to provide internet to their customers. So banning an IP in 2014, it's for sure a way to ban legitimate users.
    You can surely implement test based on IP, delay, cross-checked in case of suspicious things, but not a simple ban, definitely not.


    Dit WILL detect them injecting their script to alter their client on the server
    The client... on the server.
    Have you some code that we can check now?


    I think if you have a problem understanding what I'm talking about, maybe you should go take some free online classes to help understand more how cheat detection "Really" works.
    So far, it really looks that you do not even understand what a client/server architecture is. So please provide some code.
    And dont tell me your code need to be secret or any crap of the like. If we can read the code of OpenSSH, gnupg and the like, we surely can read also the code of your great system for Rust.

  14. Post #94

    January 2014
    140 Posts
    Wow, you really banned him for that? It was simply a sarcastic response using a website meant exactly for that purpose.

    Why do i even bother with these forums if Mods can simply ban on a whim.
    Because he's obviously full of shit. Sitting there telling people to take online classes for cheat detection and script injection is ridiculous because they don't exist. If he would have said "I have my CISSP" and given his CISSP #, or said he had a software engineering masters (not comp sci) then it could have lent some credence to his argument. However, he chose the stupid route and spouted off nonsense about things he's clearly undereducated and overconfident in.
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  15. Post #95

    January 2014
    22 Posts
    lmgtfy is a site where the one googl'ing for you is saying "you could also done it like me".

    But I looked through the results and this is crap. If someone would ask how to make a pizza someone can use lmgtfy but not for such a specific question. Seems he was attaining some online courses and read some books and thought it's the whole truth.

  16. Post #96
    steamfreak's Avatar
    July 2008
    123 Posts
    Aaaand now the assholes jump in to take over now that OP cant post.

    Moving right along, time for me to go back and count the number of brain cells dying on other threads.
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  17. Post #97

    January 2014
    7 Posts
    Because he's obviously full of shit. Sitting there telling people to take online classes for cheat detection and script injection is ridiculous because they don't exist. If he would have said "I have my CISSP" and given his CISSP #, or said he had a software engineering masters (not comp sci) then it could have lent some credence to his argument. However, he chose the stupid route and spouted off nonsense about things he's clearly undereducated and overconfident in.
    So, banning him was the solution? Since when the fire is fought with the fire? Since when immaturity is fought with other immaturity?

    P.S.:sorry for bad english
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  18. Post #98
    steamfreak's Avatar
    July 2008
    123 Posts
    So, banning him was the solution? Since when the fire is fought with the fire? Since when immaturity is fought with other immaturity?

    P.S.:sorry for bad english

    Agreed. I think its time for that mod to retire.. hes acting a bit bitchy.

    inb4 i get banned for posting my opinion on mod abuse.. gg guys.

    (User was banned for this post ("Meme reply" - Craptasket))
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  19. Post #99
    Wow, you really banned him for that? It was simply a sarcastic response using a website meant exactly for that purpose.

    Why do i even bother with these forums if Mods can simply ban on a whim.



    Its not a virus, its a website that you can use to make sarcastic replies, the website literally Googles it for you.

    Im actually upset that he got banned for that. I think its about time we started redoing the rulebook around here, i just took a look at the section rules and found nothing against Let me google that for you.
    Facepunch has certain posting standards, and LMGTFY links haven't been funny since 2010, they're childish and unhelpful. If you're going to post a LMGTFY link, you might as well not post because you're just shitting up the forum.

    Bans are warnings on Facepunch. A lot of the rules are unwritten, and you learn by lurking around. They're generally common sense. The mods will also usually reduce or undo bans if they think you've learned your lesson and won't be doing it again. Bans are the way mods tell you that you need to improve your posting quality if you want to stay here.

    Facepunch doesn't have time for people who can't be bothered to at least try to put some effort into their posts. This isn't a new policy, it's how the site's worked since the beginning, and if anything it's become much, much more relaxed.

    You used to get autobanned for misspelling. Or forgetting the apostrophe in common words.

    Edited:

    inb4 i get banned for posting my opinion on mod abuse.. gg guys.
    oh dear.
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  20. Post #100
    XoX

    September 2010
    244 Posts
    Considering the amount of cheat around on Rust, we safely assume that VAC is not up to the task. It was designed for CS, so far I understand it detect significants signatures of known hacks. It surely cannot help that much on an alpha software using an minor engine (and not source that all valve games use).
    Considering there have already been ban waves..?
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  21. Post #101
    Resident Beat Eater.
    wauterboi's Avatar
    August 2009
    4,881 Posts
    A lot of times when someone posts a LMGTFY link, I actually think it's just a tiny bit helpful until I get stuck in the stupid step-by-step animation. It's better to just post the link to the query that goes directly to Google.

    I will admit that sometimes I can be tripped up with searching for what I want, because sometimes I don't have the words to explain myself efficiently.
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  22. Post #102
    XoX

    September 2010
    244 Posts
    You used to get autobanned for misspelling.
    If I ever make a forum......

  23. Post #103
    Resident Beat Eater.
    wauterboi's Avatar
    August 2009
    4,881 Posts
    If I ever make a forum......
    Incorrectly writing an ellipsis disqualifies you from having a spell-check banner.
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  24. Post #104
    XoX

    September 2010
    244 Posts
    Incorrectly writing an ellipsis disqualifies you from having a spell-check banner.
    Didn't know it was a rule that it had to be 3 dots.

  25. Post #105
    DaddyC's Avatar
    January 2014
    83 Posts
    Didn't know it was a rule that it had to be 3 dots.
    Lol. It actually is a rule in English writing.

    ". . ." or "..."

    Why... am I caring so much...
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  26. Post #106

    January 2014
    22 Posts
    Not only in english also in german writing and XoX should speak, at least a bad, german.

  27. Post #107
    Lol. It actually is a rule in English writing.

    ". . ." or "..."

    Why... am I caring so much...
    Except at the end of sentences, when it is in fact four (the ellipsis is three, and the sentence-ending period follows).

    XoX used six.

  28. Post #108

    January 2014
    47 Posts
    Facepunch has certain posting standards
    Thinking of your average posts makes this sentence incredibly funny.

    A lot of the rules are unwritten, and you learn by lurking around.
    Yeah, in Ancient Rome, they loved the concept of unwritten rules, it helps to keep in place. But here, what are you but another paying customer of a game, who makes your "rules"? Patricians much?


    They're generally common sense. The mods will also usually reduce or undo bans if they think you've learned your lesson and won't be doing it again. Bans are the way mods tell you that you need to improve your posting quality if you want to stay here
    People come here for the games. Not because they feel so highly of the average posts on these forums. I'm still here because I wonder whether the people behind Rust are at the image of this forum or. But my expectations are getting lower every minutes.


    Facepunch doesn't have time for people who can't be bothered to at least try to put some effort into their posts.
    Exactly what I'm interested in. People like you patronizing everybody in the name of Facepunch, but none really stating whether they are really linked to Facepunch or not.

    Edited:

    Considering there have already been ban waves..?
    Is a ban wave sign of a successful antispam device? I've seen waves of banning on MW3 - and the game remains unplayable (different topic; peer-to-peer online multiplayer cannot be secure). On the other hand, I've never felt any wave of bans on CS/CS:S.

    Edited:

    Except at the end of sentences, when it is in fact four (the ellipsis is three, and the sentence-ending period follows).
    Sounds weird. Can you document that? In some other languages (French for instance), it's definitely three dots, no less no more whatever the case. I'd be interested in an authoritative reference about this.

  29. Post #109
    lolo's Avatar
    February 2010
    2,051 Posts
    Well if you don't like unwritten rules, no one tells you to stay, not like anyone in the moderating team even cares whether you have common sense or not. You're banned and don't like Facepunch? there's always the exit Tab button, and by the way, you don't see ban waves till' they affect you.

  30. Post #110
    doLawN's Avatar
    September 2013
    255 Posts
    It's like Nazi Germany up in here. Christ.
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  31. Post #111
    Remember kids if your age is on the clock you are ready for the cock

    August 2013
    358 Posts
    so many fucking boxes here how many trees have we killed so far

  32. Post #112

    January 2014
    1 Posts
    This is a very sad sight guys. A guy comes along with an idea to solve a major problem for a game. It would be a huge help, and would make the game much more enjoyable. And you all just decided to shit AAAALLLLLLLL over it. I'm an admin on both of this guys FTB servers, and I have never had to ban anyone for hacking. It's been up for 6+ months, and I have never heard of anyone hacking on his server. He helps us out with our computers all the time over teamviewer. He knows his fucking shit, ok? It is bullshit, you hear me? fucking BULLSHIT, that he get shat upon for trying to help! How many hacker reports do you think are posted on this forum? What percentage of posts do you think are hacker reports? A shit ton. His anti-injection service works, I can vouch for that, and so can everyone who plays on his servers, of which there are many.
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  33. Post #113
    Resident Beat Eater.
    wauterboi's Avatar
    August 2009
    4,881 Posts
    It is bullshit, you hear me? fucking BULLSHIT
    We're sorry Tritix. We won't do it again. :(
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  34. Post #114
    KillaMaaki's Avatar
    August 2013
    999 Posts
    This is a very sad sight guys. A guy comes along with an idea to solve a major problem for a game. It would be a huge help, and would make the game much more enjoyable. And you all just decided to shit AAAALLLLLLLL over it. I'm an admin on both of this guys FTB servers, and I have never had to ban anyone for hacking. It's been up for 6+ months, and I have never heard of anyone hacking on his server. He helps us out with our computers all the time over teamviewer. He knows his fucking shit, ok? It is bullshit, you hear me? fucking BULLSHIT, that he get shat upon for trying to help! How many hacker reports do you think are posted on this forum? What percentage of posts do you think are hacker reports? A shit ton. His anti-injection service works, I can vouch for that, and so can everyone who plays on his servers, of which there are many.
    Can't tell if you're joking. If so, carry on.
    But if you aren't, I would like to tell you something. Having written a book on multiplayer game development, I like to think I know what I'm talking about too. Either his service isn't doing what he says it's doing (but works great), or it's doing exactly what he says it's doing, which does jack shit for 99% of the hackers in Rust.
    Not a damn one of them is somehow injecting DLLS onto your server. Not one.
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  35. Post #115

    July 2013
    3 Posts
    If you look up on how script injection works, you would see that when the attacker creates the injection in the first place, as SOON as he hits that little simple "inject" button, it sends a process written into virtual memory, which opens as an EXE. on the Rust server. That in turn is what gives the elevated privileges to the player account. Whenever your connected to a server, your computer is talking back and forth to the server to remain connected. What most people don't understand is through that connection, a number of things can be happening. This is just one of them.

    VAC does not work server side because it would be too much hassle and they don't wanna be liable for losses on the server end of things. Then again, who would??
    you are aware that most of the game is client side

  36. Post #116
    steamfreak's Avatar
    July 2008
    123 Posts
    Im back from being banned.. for saying i was going to get banned..

    Right then, Is this guy still wanting to test his anti-hack theory? Would really love to see more posts about this.

  37. Post #117
    iSoldier's Avatar
    January 2014
    25 Posts
    Yeah I'm back too...
    Not going to be posting anymore on this forum.
    As far as I'm concerned, anyone posting here is just wasting their time, and I'm sorry if i've wasted yours.

    Cheers.

    Its evident that the kind of questions I ask, and things I seek aren't welcome in the FacePunch Community.
    Good luck growing a community with Mods like "Craptasket".

  38. Post #118
    Gold Member
    reedbo's Avatar
    July 2005
    2,541 Posts
    Yeah I'm back too...
    Not going to be posting anymore on this forum.
    As far as I'm concerned, anyone posting here is just wasting their time, and I'm sorry if i've wasted yours.

    Cheers.
    Cool, I'm sure no one needed a RAT installed on their server.
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  39. Post #119
    Resident Beat Eater.
    wauterboi's Avatar
    August 2009
    4,881 Posts
    Yeah I'm back too...
    Not going to be posting anymore on this forum.
    As far as I'm concerned, anyone posting here is just wasting their time, and I'm sorry if i've wasted yours.

    Cheers.

    Its evident that the kind of questions I ask, and things I seek aren't welcome in the FacePunch Community.
    Good luck growing a community with Mods like "Craptasket".
    What's up with the random underlining and bolding? You're emphasizing nothing.
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  40. Post #120

    January 2014
    111 Posts
    There is nothing to try. He just describes something impossible.
    Read and hopefully comprehend this:

    "The impossible exists simply and only because we do not strive to make it possible"