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Post #1Just joined a fresh server and built a small base 5min run up a mountain hidden away. Within 2days my base got raided and they guy who did it said he already had 15charges of C4 saved up. On day2.... The C4 in this game needs nerfed or something.
No matter your base with enough C4 your stuff is never safe. C4 needs another look it, not saying I have the answer but something needs to be done.
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That is part of the game. No base is 100% safe
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its just a matter of how available the owner made c4. change server
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This is your answer
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That's part of the game currently, yes. But, this being in alpha, things can change. And I don't think it's too much to say that C4 is a little too common at this stage of the game.
But, yes. Play on a modded server with C4 scarcity increased. Easiest solution.
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Building better bases and spreading resources helps
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It's an alpha C4 will eventually get worked on. They are still working on everything.
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Our server runs custom loot tables that make C4 a little more rare, and explosives (the item used in crafting C4) only come from air drops. There are no research kits, so players can't craft as much C4 as they want.
Well, since we're on the topic, assault weapons only come from air drops as well.
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In my server also C4 is limited to airdrops so you can still raid and you have to think twice before using them and blowing a part a whole base is no more possible.
Some players enjoy the "offline raid war" gameplay, others like you and me just hate it. You have to find a server that fits to your taste.
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C4 should very rare to get AND very rare to make.
People using it already within some days is way to OP.
But yes it might be the serverside settings of that server
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Way should your base be 100% safe?
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He is not saying his base should be 100% safe.
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I think c4 should be removed due to the fact grenades can do the same thing. C4 is only used to breach and it takes so few on structures. Im not hating on this mechanic but I feel that two items that serve the same purpose, one should go. Have you ever used a grenade on someone? It's incredibly hard, specially if they are running. I only use grenades to breach.
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Nades is for throwing in windows when you raid and there are people fighting back :-P great way to distract and even do some aoe to a group of people ;-)
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Good luck getting them through metal bars, specially if they are blasting away at you.
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Don't think grenades do damage to structures anymore. At least not metal.
But I'm not so sure if lower the damage output of the C4 will really help. All you do is to force players to bring more. Better to leave them as they are now until more stuff have been added to the game and see what that does first.
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Did a raid post patch and was able to breach. But I can live with lowering damage output. Most structures can be brought down with 2 c4's so maybe making it 5-6 would be a lot more balanced imo.
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C4 itself is fine, it just needs to take wwaaayyy more resources to craft it.
At the moment its a self perpetuating cycle of Find/Craft C4 - Raid - Usually Get Enough Resources From Raid to Craft Lots More C4 - Rinse Repeat.
It's so easy to pump out that its even worth blasting down shacks with it atm. Basically, make it so using C4 means you won't have more for a looooonnnnnng time due to resource requirements (maybe quadruple?), i think that would help a lot.
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yea man i bet they balance c4, maybe remove it, hopefully something. These guys giving you crap about it just can't let go of the offline raid approach. I used to do that, but it wasn't making me a better player.
t3l01v, what is your server called? I've been wanting to find one with a limit on the assault weapons.
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So for people who have absolutely tried to perfect their house (which is cool to see some idea's) making sure they cannot build at the side and have a mass of metal doors normally requiring maybe 10-20 c4 to get into a decent loot room, your saying if should require 50-60 instead. and if people know how to build there can be alot of houses at least requiring 6-8 c4 for a smaller place.
IMO I think its just people need to learn how to build better, its mostly people who build a reasonable size tall house and then get raided via them climbing up and wall banging the side with 1c4 to loot room.
And yes I learn from these mistakes, If i get raided i watch the route they managed to get in and simply improve it.
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So much wining.
C4 is FINE. Unless the server you play at has an airdrop every five minutes, it's not that easy to make C4s. If this guy played the game for 48 hours on two days, he deserves the 15 C4s. However, it's most likely that he's the admin or a hacker and obtained the C4s unlegitely.
Just stop wining and play the game. IMO C4s are not THAT easy to make/obtain. If they need a little bit more resources I would say it's fine but, apart from that, it's not needed to be changed AT ALL.
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No, you can't make an unraidable base because there are too many bugs and glitches so being good at building wont help you, your base WILL get raided, no matter what.
This is the main problem of this game, you can't build a safe house and you can't even hide it underground like you do in Minecraft.
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go play minecraft, rust is tough and maybe it's not for you.
about loads of c4's, basically you don't have to use dropparty to change c4 spawn frequency, it just needs an admin who won't call airdrops every 10 minutes. it's required a decent amount of resources to make c4, because you'll need like 10-15 of them to raid a decent build base. go check it out how much sulfur do you need to make those babies.
but if you play on aidrop party server, one of airdrop has 5 c4 on it, plus some supply signal. so that's from where loads of c4 are added.
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Even if they were radically reduced GAME-WIDE, someone would still save up, blow up your shit, and you'd be posting on here all over again.
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m4s come from the military boxes from rad zoines aswell
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Rust is not tough, Rust is buggy, it's different.
Being good at building in Minecraft actually matters, because you can build your base underground or hide your chests behind walls etc. Building in Rust takes NO SKILL at all, all you have to do is building an ugly maze with tons of metal doors inside, and even then, you can get raided EASILY.
C4 is not the problem, the problem is people abusing of bugs to reach the last floor of a base with boxes and barricades.
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lol, why not build bigger???? what i learned from other players who love to raid all the time is build so they cant build on top of you and just blow your walls with c4 next makes lots of floors with doorways and a ton of metal doors. your real loot on highest floor always, decoys on the other floors. but dont stop building keep going up and up and up. soon it will take 80c4 to take out all your doors and like 40 to get to your loot which only you know which way to go. lol be smart be taticail.
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Right, because making c4 is easy.
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Here you go:
\+/Cult |Wipe1/23|Noob Safe|PvPSLP|Events|AD20|NoCraftMilitary
23.239.111.98:28135
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Im just sad its to easy to make c4 there should probably up the ingredients.
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If you play in a group its quite easy to get C4.
If you play alone its bit harder, unless you play on dead server.
We all play for the game for different aspects. Join a PVE server if you are to afraid to loose the base.
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Then I ask, if my buddies and I have an abundance of c4 and the maze house takes 8+ c4 to crack, how is it worth it? Which, whatever, but i'm not going to waste my time farming c4 to get 2 back. It's a question of the attack and defense balancing issues which make the risk/reward seem pointless.
I'm not arguing a point, just trying to theorize what would make more sense for the fun of the gamer.
I'm on a new server and aren't up to any c4 capabilities yet, but my intention for raiding is to approach while someone is online. A scramble to build scaffolding, a firefight, and the invade. High risk, High reward (hopefully). :D All together more fun me thinks.
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What about if one ingredient is also a signal grop grenade?
You choose whether u use the signal grenade or craft a c4 charge. ;-)
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There are servers that have limited C4, you should check em out. I have one, but will refrain from posting it here, but check my previous topics.
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I agree, the C4 is to easy to make and to OP, nothing is safe if you dont have metal doors and walls, it ruins the game for freshspawns and for the game as a whole. AKA, make C4 harder to craft and to find.
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C4 is pretty scarce, and since it takes 2 for a metal door or a wall, it would take 20+ C4 to loot a base with a good layout.
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I rather see c4 reworked and divided in two diferent explosives : Molotov and manual explosives. Nothing against using explosives to raid bases but the idea of C4 in particular is kinda meh on rust. same goes for m4 and shotgun and maybe 9mm for me. they should be reworked on more "manual versions ".
Would be quite fun to have to make each piece of an explosive in order to make one instead of just spamming c4 and exploding things while people are offline.
Proficience in crafting would be the best way to go for me. Again i have nothing against explosives but i really dont think a c4 fits on rust.
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Yes, after blowing a door. Bounced a few through it to kill the guy hiding round the corner with a shotgun.
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i agree c4 is a problem but in the original post you said they had 15 charges saved up. sounds like you got a cheater/duper problem with said server. my advice build elaborate maze like homes with enough metal doors that it will take large amounts of c4 to get any kind of pay off.
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i wiped my server on the 24th and already one guy managed to gather 26 c4 to raid my base. i had 15 in a stash at the time. i do think c4 is a bit easy to get at the moment, i never really was bothered about it before but the spawn rates are just stupid at the moment, with 3hours on the server and about 15 mins of farming zombies we got a c4 then 10 minutes later got another drop a loot box at a rad zone. I dont think it should spawn this way
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