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Post #1Hey,
So rust updated the grass etc (looks nicer, less lag supposedly), but while I think it looks great and weaving through it is pretty cool, its just not worth it when others can just turn it off.
I feel as if that shouldnt be an option and should in future add details for the grass if its still persistent in lagging for some people (I don't lag in the game so I cannot tell).
Just thought i'd post this because it would be cool to be able to use the grass while not being massively disadvantaged, crouch weaving through the grass adds a better sneak element to the game.
Let me know what you guys think
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No, Grass lags older PCs. It's nice to turn it off.
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But that is why you would add lower - higher changable detail for the grass as i suggested, and they said its less laggy in the patch they just did (10min ago or something)
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What if people don't like grass everywhere? It's a nice option to have to turn off.
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I can hear were he is coming from tho. Grass is such an advantage when everyone has to use it, you can literally hide in it.
If it's a option, then the grass adds no advantage. An you might as well turn it off. Unless you are on a PVE server were I can see you could use it to make things more pretty.
~ C
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I turn it off for visibility reasons - it's easier to see people with it off
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My point really was that if you want to fight other people fairly, with the grass on makes it harder to spot them. making it almost not an option, feels like it has to be turned off.
They did nice updates for it when they probably realise your disadvantaged for using it.
Guess im just ranting ofc but hopefully people can see what I mean
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yeah this pretty much
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No no, I see your point. They did work hard to make it look good, they should make it a server option to force it on! That way we both get what we want :D
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THIS is exactly why we want this to happen!
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That's true a server side option could be something, not a bad idea.
however not exactly still what i'd want since it relys on server's implementing it.
I however respect your opinion thanks for posting :)
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Quite frankly, it is worth pointing out this might bring some disadvantages for players that do use grass, but unfortunately on some systems (like mine) it is simply impracticable to leave grass on.
I think most people would like to have it, as it adds so much more authenticity to the environment... but for the moment Rust is a light game that runs on most computers, even laptops, and that is one of the perks in it compared to the ArmA series / DayZ for instance.
However, as there is no way for the player to go prone, the amount of cover grass provides is arguably minor.
Perhaps a solution to please all parties would be to add this "force grass" feature as a server option?
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I turn it off because the laptop i'm currently using shits itself with grass on.
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I already said that :P
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TBH I cant give a fuck about older PCs. The benefits of turing off the grass for the game play is too mush. I feel handicap if I have the grass on as its allot harder to see loot bags and people ducking in the grass. So I turn off the grass even though I have no FPS problems at all with them on.
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Pretty much what Vilusia said. I can see if people are running pretty old system's it wouldn't be fair on them. In some places the grass is higher than crouch height so I think it's higher than minor but nothing like prone for sure.
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Good thing you aren't deving the game then because obviously you would lose half your user base because you don't care about game performance.
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Same situation as me(regarding the no fps problems). would be nice to hear from people that do have trouble using grass to know if they've tested it after the recent patch and see if it made a difference.
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I would not have cared if I lost half the user base. Especially in an alpha test. Game play have to be the most important thing, even more important then earning money. And people need to update there PCs too FFS. Stop playing on old shit that is not even in production anymore. Or should I QQ over that I can't play this on my old Atari 520st?
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Good luck ever running a successful game then. Luckily rust has smart devs who care about the game.
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Also not all of us can get a new PC.
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If you add features that kill game play over profit I'm not so sure that you care about the game at all
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Make it a server option, default it for official servers and raise minimum requirements of the game.
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A game can have all the great features in the world packed into it, doesn't mean shit if the game doesn't run good. Hence why performance trumps gameplay.
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in reality grass is everywhere isn't this game suppose to be realistic as hell
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plus opens the aspect of velociraptor roleplay
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I'm not entirely sure you get the point though. Yes its good that you can turn down things to enhance the performance. However if you also get a benefit in the game play "forcing" every one to turn things off not because of performance but to get an advantage in the game play its bad as you kill tactical elements in the game that you spent resources to put in. If this was a single player game I would have not complained at all. But this is a hostile PvP game where every little trick counts to get the upper hand.
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Edit: bah, can't embed tweets!
Check Gary's twitter page, he's already mentioned that grass will be forced on once they eliminate / reduce the performance hit.
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The removal of the grass.on command will be a big plus to gameplay. You'd actually be able to sneak around.
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grass is bad for you, you shouldn't touch that shit
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Great find man. This makes me happy knowing it will forced on eventually :)
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games do have minimum requirements for a reason.
it is completely unreasonable to expect some piece of crap laptop that has no business being a gaming rig to run a game with features that very clearly can have balance implications turned off.
this is 2014 , if your computer cannot handle things like 2d grass sprites ...... then you might need a new computer.
2d sprites arent even remotely close to what id call the pinnacle of performance killers.
what the hell are you going to do when they add better models with higher poly counts and larger texture resolutions?
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You obviously have no clue what you are talking about. Thousands of 2d sprites can be really fucking Peggy.
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not really. not when properly optimized , the performance killers are non compressed high resolution textures that eat up memory like a fat guy in a doughnut shop.
all the devs really need to do is ad an option to make the grass have really low res textures or have the texture quality reduced at distances.
but killing off the sprites is not the answer.
that only serves to punish people who want the game to look better.
it is never a good idea to do that.
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Or just make the sprites not show at a certain distance.
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that has an issue too, imagine i am in a valley mining rocks and there a group of bandits on the road.
unless the grass covers the whole valley they will be able to see me and engage me.
if you just cut the grass at some arbitrary distance , then you should also cut the rendering of players as well. otherwise the whole point of the grass is ruined.
if the devs are going to bother with rendering things at great distances , then it has to be the full package or things like this issue will crawl out of the wood work like an army of termites .
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I think a server option to force it would be awesome.
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It is SO SIMPLE:
Removing grass makes PvPing, finding crates, finding your bag you just dropped because ou died nearby, etc EASIER - meaning IT IS GREAT FOR GAMEPLAY!
Leaving the grass ON makes all the things afore mentioned EXTREMELY harder and it's AWFUL for gameplay (be it because of lag or because you don't wanna miss anything on the ground [a player or a chicken/squirrel?]) but it makes the game REALISTIC, isn't that the intention here?.
In my opinion, different places should have different grass. Deserts(are there any?) and mountains should have some type of grass or maybe none, forests should have higher grass at some parts but shorter at other places. The bottom line: if the DEVS want the game to have no lag-videoish related issues and make it competitive at another level, remove grass entirely or remove most part of it and make it Very short. If the DEVS want the game to be realistic and fuck the world, remove the grass.on false option. Last but not least, if the DEVS want to let us choose, leave it at how it is.
My grass is always turned off, I believe I have an upperhand against people that have it on but I don't care, I just wanna kill everybody I find.
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I would prefer it to be harder to find bags and stuff.
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Beside the point.
What if people like other players to be bright magenta and resources bright yellow?
I play with the grass because it's immersive. I often crouch in the grass for the same reason. I know that it wont do shit to the many players playing without the grass.
That's a loss.
But I guess it's a matter of game design. There is something very broken in the notion of letting clients deciding what is to be on screen, instead of the server. Clients should not know what is outside of what their player could actually see. That would be the end of all these wallhacks, etc. In the same way, there should be at least some kind of heavy green fog replacing the grass to recreate the exact same sight with or without the grass on screen.
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My two-year-old computer is not able to play the game without turning the settings all the way down, turning off grass, and reducing screen resolution. This was a computer built for gaming. It is absolutely unacceptable to expect people to replace hardware that is still well within its lifetime just because you want your software to run on the current high-end hardware. Replacing a $1200 computer every 2-3 years is not something that you can expect people to do, so you have to make your software backwards-compatible with hardware below the current high-end benchmark.
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Dude you made a dumb investment, you cant expect everyone to do that.
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Please explain to me why he made a dumb investment.
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