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if crosshairs are such an issue then the game should have been released on a console where programs would not have existed.
they aren't though, it's an insanely trivial issue that effects no one, there are FAR bigger issues right now, like real cheaters.
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I don't think they are "such" an issue, nor is it worthwhile in any way to try and officially punish their use. That said the people using them are playing a different game and should be aware that they are undermining not only the intended experience of the game for themselves but that of others as well.
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really because if it was ruining their experience so much they wouldn't be doing it now would they? Obviously they enjoy it because it enhances the experience.
and I seriously doubt anyone sane would actually care about a little dental floss.
of all the things OP could have an issue with he picks the most random and meaningless one and calls it a "Cheat"
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Unless they make the camera dynamic and give weapons oscillation through movement, anybody can do this. How can something anybody willing to spend either
five minutes to code a centering dot
five minutes putting a transparent tape in the center of their screens
be considered cheating? It is akin to turn your volume really loud or changing the volume balance to detect certain things.
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I'm sorry for butting in, but that's just ridiculous, they are not playing a diferent game nor are they undermining the experience, coding a dot on the screen/painting one on your monitor is pretty much adding training wheels to the experience of getting used to the weapons, it doesn't undermine anything, it's just an aid.
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It being easy in no way changes the fact that it's still cheating. I mean we could all beat up little old ladies and it would be easy but it's still assault, it's assault if one person does it, it's assault if everyone does it.
Turning up your volume super loud doesn't make you able to hear things that are otherwise inaudible. It's not like you can hear the sound of someone sitting still on a hill just because you turned up your volume really loud. You're acting within the design intentions of the game, not cheating. However you have no crosshair with a bow unless you physically alter your monitor with dental floss or something or use some sort of software and you do these to counteract design intentions. These are two very different activities.
The overall point I'm making is that games have rules, when you are not acting according to the rules you're not even playing the game. The entire activity becomes pointless at best and harmful to others at worst.
Edited:
Please do. :D
If you were meant to be able to have that training wheel experience it would be available to you as a game element. Who knows, maybe in the future that very thing will exist and then it'll be perfectly acceptable.
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Really because using a crosshair VS using an aimbot is like
a jokish shoulder jab vs beating the living death out of an old lady
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A crosshair does nothing in this game...
Haven't you seen that the gun moves a little and the camera doesn't?
This means you will put a crosshair and it will probably never hit that spot...
ps: But doesn't VAC take Screenshots of people in-game? If so they will probably pick the ones made with software and may think it's a hack, but I have no clue if there's that feature on this game (hope they do it later because of the ESP cheaters)
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I don't disagree that the magnitude is different but they are qualitatively still both cheating.
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ahh yes
so that makes a jokish shoulder jab assault?
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Why are you comparing tape on your screen to beating up old women?
In much the same vein that turning your audio very loud for sounds that do not show up in soundscape can also apply to having a monitor too small to properly view your target.
You can invoke how many changes you want to a game's settings or your own hardware to have some kind of advantage , but in no way does putting tape on your screen or making an application like so should be considered an offense to lose all right to playing the game.
I am sure the developers sympathize with your complaint, but look at it from their perspective. How on earth do you enforce that?
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Ehh, it's not like anyone here truly agree's on punishment to be fair
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The comparison is to illustrate that a violation being easy to commit in no way removes from it the quality of being a violation.
I am not advocating that people who "crosshair cheat" lose a right to the game, if you see my first post in this thread I just say they should be publicly shamed. As I say above I don't think it's cheating on the same magnitude as aimbotting but it is still cheating and should be discouraged.
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after 20m of bow use, I can accurately hit things from a longer range no problem... I do keep thinking of using some tape to make a xhair though, as to be competitive, you need to have every advantage you can (without hacks because that just makes the game dumb).
Only prob I have with shooting the bow is, after I get guns and drop the bow, it takes that 20m of pratice to get back to using the bow accurately.
would a crosshair help? sure, it would reduce that practice time a bit (still have to account for drop... unless you put several marks on your 'crosshair')
do I care if other people are doing this and I am not? not really, it does not give that much of an advantage unless your really bad at bows to begin with.
its just not worth the effort of trying to stop, unless you want to have every player submit a picture of their screen with date and time stamp before loggin every time...
in the long and short run, adding a crosshair to the game does not do anything, and in the long run, it does not change anything either. this thread is just silly and sounds like the OP can't aim IMHO.
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Crosshair's already pretty much useless since they added the lazy aim cone, all crosshairs do are help you aim with a bow and get a general idea of where you're aiming. People who use crosshairs didn't kill your family, quit getting mad.
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I totally agree there's no practical way to try and prevent this that would be worthwhile but I think it's worth making it a social taboo. Fair play should be encouraged at every turn.
I'm not mad, I'm a little sad that not everyone shares my zealotry for having a level playing field, but what can you do? :D
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This is a troll.
The OP has complained about using VOIP programs such as TS/Vent/Mumble as it isn't intended. The OP has complained about crosshairs, because they aren't intended.
The problem with this logic is that it ignores the premise of online gaming, social interaction through an avenue that suspends reality and provides the ability to experience something new with others. That means that any game, not just RUST, is nothing more than a vehicle for social interaction with loose guide-rails to direct that interaction in a particular common bearing. A game like Rust, being a sandbox game, actually has FEWER rules/restrictions than most games. Garry and his team have never said anything about a desire to limit the social interaction of players, as that typically would spell the doom of any online game. Instead, they focus on what direction the social interaction will go.
Changing things such as doors, defense, environment, ect, actually could have a massive affect on the TYPE of game this is. They know that and that is why they will probably make small adjustments at a time in order to evaluate how those things affect the environment of the game. They are going to continue to work on balance, weapons, ect. What the OP is taking issue with though about "aim" tools doesn't really affect the game much. People in BF4 have crosshairs on all their guns and still suck at playing them and end up with 4-20 K/D ratios. The best players in those games can play on hardcore servers and without any crosshair still dominate. Why? because in the end, it comes down to skill and a player with crosshairs won't be all that effective.
So, complain about it all you want, but in the end, you will find little sympathy for your cause. Good players will continue to be good, and bad players will continue to be bad.
Now, Aimbots and hacks are a different story and should be addressed. Whenever you change or misuse the code or whatever in order to gain an advantage, that is gamebreaking and dangerous.
*EDIT* Apologies to the OP, only Ebrim has mentioned VOIP.
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I heard gary was making house visits .....so yes they wil be banned
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That's not nice. :(
You can't socially interact with people via the in-game voice system? Why do you think the in-game voice system has it so you can hear people near you? Maybe it was an accident or they just wanted to punish people who didn't use teamspeak, right? Must be.
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You can't quote half of my thought process there.... I followed that up with....
That would LIMIT social interaction, which NO dev team for an online game EVER tries to do.
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They were different premises. One is that third-party software is an essential part of social interaction (I would argue it's not, see above) the other is that no dev of an online game should ever try to limit the above. The latter may in fact be true and I'm not necessarily advocating that they do but it should still be regarded as a form of cheating (if you don't think it's cheating you should probably consider my earlier question as to why the in-game voice is designed as it is).
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The answer to what you want, which I've seen in past games, is to find a server/community that is non-VOIP based. Some groups want to intentionally not be on VOIP. They prefer listening to music or whatever.
That is what this game allows, people to choose that. What you are advocating is too widespread and I could go into the game/social design of online gaming for hours about why I believe your logic is a flawed approach to an entire game. Instead, I will simply leave it at the above. I've seen those communities before and understand why they exist and it sounds like the perfect concept for you... just not for the whole game.
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That's what I was saying...
Only a Dumb would try to put a crosshair in this game, thinking it will help LOL.
For the others:
Try a gun with a laser and don't aim, move your mouse slowly around, you will realize crossair is just a stupid idea here
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Agreed.
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My monitor has such great dental hygiene, it flosses more than I do.
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If that's the case why don't people noscope effectively in any game that allows no-scoping, or why don't people get consistent headshots all the time?
Aiming Down Sights is a crosshair. You need a crosshair of some sort in any FPS.
Prove me wrong. Show me a clip of you killing someone at long range with no crosshairs, sights, or anything. Unless you are a god at making sure a group of five pixels lines up perfectly in the center of your screen, it's impossible.
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Just add sway to the weapons when shooting from the hip, like when you look left your gun moves more to the left of the screen and also shoots more left, or when you look right its vice versa. Kind of like in ARMA. This way any crosshairs put on the screen will be inaccurate.
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There's not really a way to stop it.
If you manage to stop people injecting into the game with their overlays, they'll sellotape string to their screen.
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I think you're right, there's no definitive policing type action that would prevent people from doing this. However if we all agree it's cheating that in itself will deter a great many. While there are always annoying people, the majority will not want their victories robbed of them in the knowledge that they are in fact, cheating. I know I wouldn't. Remember old platform games when things were hard and if you ran out of lives you were done? If you told someone you beat one of those games but you had to use an infinite lives code (which anybody could use) to do it, they'd tell you didn't actually beat it. The same principle applies here.
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I've spoken with many people who have taken clear tape, and put a dot on it as a crosshair. I tried this and I didn't like it for the guns but loved it for the bow. When firing from the hip your bullets won't go to the crosshair because your arm has some area to move which is why, even with a crosshair, I was still using a lazer sight.
If you right click to look down the gun then my bullets would go to my crosshair but i'm right clicking to give myself a crosshair by looking down the sight of the gun so i wound up taking off the tape.
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That's what I was saying...
Only a Dumb would try to put a crosshair in this game, thinking it will help LOL.
For the others:
Try a gun with a laser and don't aim, move your mouse slowly around, you will realize crossair is just a stupid idea here
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Are you saying that weapon sway makes crosshairs ineffective? This is untrue, because the third-party crosshairs that I have seen on streams stay in the (adjusted) center of the screen regardless of weapon sway (you can actually see the crosshair fighting against the weapon sway graphically, repositioning itself slightly, pixel by pixel, every time weapon sway occurs) and allows people to no-scope with the Bolt Action Rifle with ease. They are smart crosshairs, basically.
Unless Punkbuster is enabled, I don't see third-party crosshairs being banned, and you can't ban tape on the screen, as others have pointed out. It sucks, and it does give an advantage over vanilla players, especially if the crosshair player is already a good player, but I don't think there is anything you can do about it.
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the advantage is so only with the bow. If the non crosshair player has a lazer scope then having a crosshair is a disadvantage.
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I would disagree. Have you used one or seen them in action? You can no scope people with Bolt Action Rifles no problem. Even if you get close to somebody with a Bolt Action, which should be a disadvantage for the BAR user, they still hit you without any effort.
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This is simply not true. When you move your mouse your arm can move without your screen moving so that, when you shoot, your bullet does not hit the crosshair when firing from the hip. I repeat your bullet does not hit the crosshair when firing from the hip. When firing from the hip the bullet will go to whever the lazer scope points. Go ahead, get some tape, put it on your monitor, put a dot on the tape and try it. I did and my bullets were going anywhere BUT the crosshair unless i scoped. When I scoped it was like getting a crosshair.
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You missed the part about third-party programs correcting for this.
The program adjusts the crosshair accordingly.
I REPEAT
The program adjusts the crosshair.
(lol).
EDIT: However, I guess it's less of an issue now that the Laser Sight is fixed for the Bolt Action, which makes no scoping very easy w/ vanilla.
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Holo Sight = win.
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Just to make clear for people that might get the wrong idea : He's not talking about hack that add crosshair. Hacks will always get you banned no matter how simply they are :v .
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"why did you get VAC banned?"
"I put some tape on my screen"
Yes, this is how stupid your argument is...
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A easy and reasonable solution would be to permanently ban everyone that opens the game, because without players there would be no cheaters.
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