[greatvalue]

I'm hesitant to explain exactly how they do it on an open forum, but there are a lot of people using a crosshair overlay in Rust right now.
The program they're using is really popular among gamers and its normal ingame overlay is for legitimate things not directly related to the gameplay. Some people figured out how use it to place a dot at the center of their screen to create a crosshair. Since the program they're using is used by so many legitimate players and because it's use has never triggered a VAC ban before, I'm curious if VAC is capable of detecting them crosshair cheating with it. I'd very much like to see these cheaters dealt with.

[PremiumKrap]

I doubt it. if your talking about a mumble overlay....probably not. I wouldnt worry about it since you can just put a crosshair sticker on your screen and be done with it

[cyclohexanol]

You have to really fucking suck at life to not be able to shoot without a crosshair.

[cwzy]

no there are too many ways to do it, they should just add an optional crosshair to the game

[slait]

Real gamers wrap dental floss around their screen for a crosshair

[GC_Stealth]

No they won't a lot of newer monitors come with built in crosshair overlays so it is impossible to be detected unless Garry comes over to your house and checks.

[Sunrock]

slait posted:

Real gamers wrap dental floss around their screen for a crosshair

Easier to just put some tape on the screen.

PS: But then again what a retard player are you if you need one?

[Splatta]

slait posted:

Real gamers wrap dental floss around their screen for a crosshair

Lol, real gamers play the way it was meant to be played...

What's one to do tho with as someone said newer monitors having a cross hair overlay, what's next aim correction ?

[OndieJ]

^^ They are out there and I know a few players who use them.

[Sunrock]

Well it's possible to ban anyone for using a monitor like that if they like... However way do you want to cheat in a game? Every one will just think you are a d-bag or worse if they suspect you use a thing like that. Besides you just destroy the fun of playing the game for your self in the long run.

[8FoldPath]

slait posted:

Real gamers wrap dental floss around their screen for a crosshair

heheh

[J!NX]

May as well ban for gamepads as well

oh, and larger monitors

and superior computers

and changing the brightness

and changing the FOV

and macro mice

and turning off grass

and having a superior internet connection

and having a bad internet connection

and using teamspeak

and not announcing their existence before shooting you in the face

and being good at the game

oh and please piss off with "it gives you an advantage", literally all of the above does that as well, calling this a "cheat" as if it's somehow equal to aimbotting is simply idiotic.

[8FoldPath]

J!NX posted:

May as well ban for gamepads as well

oh, and larger monitors

and superior computers

and changing the brightness

and changing the FOV

and being good at the game

I Agree with this more or less, just relax. if people want to use third-party or put a sticker in the middle of their screen to shoot let them :)

[elixwhitetail]

J!NX posted:

May as well ban for gamepads as well

oh, and larger monitors

and superior computers

and changing the brightness

and changing the FOV

and being good at the game

Don't forget to ban all admin powers whatsoever. And rcon. All servers are completely headless except for being able to be turned on and off by the GSP.

[dssalmon]

and obama

[Wallack]

dssalmon posted:

and obama

Lol XD

Anyway, I think, for example, Teamspeak, gives by far a bigger advantage than a crosshair. While a crosshair is currently only suitable for a bow (as rest of the weapons don't shoot to the center when shooting from the hip and with the shotgun you shoot when you see the yellow name) the TS gives by far a bigger advantage as it also allows you to do something that you can't do in game (private communication within short and long distances) but nobody seems to be complaining about it.

I would love to be raided by 10 guys using the ingame VOIP system.

[Tasho]

I think it's funny that people haven't learned to use the hotbar buttons as a guide for shooting... all the `hacks` you need are already built into the interface.

[Pigbear]

Ban crosshairs? How about we ban everyone that touches game settings. That would solve more problems.

[dssalmon]

Surprised no ones attempted to use programs like windows magnifier to get that little extra zoom while aiming.


Btw windows magnifier takes to long to update it's render so don't bother :)

[elixwhitetail]

dssalmon posted:

Surprised no ones attempted to use programs like windows magnifier to get that little extra zoom while aiming.

Btw windows magnifier takes to long to update it's render so don't bother :)

Take a guess why no one has.

[J!NX]

Pigbear posted:

Ban crosshairs? How about we ban everyone that touches game settings. That would solve more problems.

How about no one has any special settings and all are forced to use the same, badashellforFPS controller

no... WAIT that's why we're on a computer! to get away from the nature of the console

rust would do better off on an xbox if crosshairs were that bad, but they aren't.

[Ebrim]

Using a crosshair is lame and you should be publicly shamed if you're doing it. I feel the same about not using in-game VOIP. It has an audible proximity for a reason, to enhance gameplay. All you're doing is making the game less fun by introducing rules that are not part of it. When you play Monopoly you can't just bring your own money to the table and use it for in-game currency.

[J!NX]

Ebrim posted:

Using a crosshair is lame and you should be publicly shamed if you're doing it. I feel the same about not using in-game VOIP. It has an audible proximity for a reason, to enhance gameplay. All you're doing is making the game less fun by introducing rules that are not part of it. When you play Monopoly you can't just bring your own money to the table and use it for in-game currency.

except doing that in monopoly would be exactly the same thing as inventory glitching or aimbotting, so that's a completely silly example and doesn't even make any sense at all. It's not even nearly as strong a cheat as that.

I hardly see how a crosshair will "Ruin the fun" in constrast to monopoly and money, as with monopoly and money you are essentially autowinning the game. only an aimbot could 'autowin'.

literally anyone can crosshair "Hack", even if by painting it on their screen and everyone can use teamspeak. Teamspeak is fair game.

[Thezar]

If you want a crosshair put holosight/ laser on.

[Zechs]

Really? This is a new low to complain about. This community man....let me tell ya.

[Krzyzyk]

I think the idea of no crosshair should be scrapped in favor of greatly decreased accuracy while hip firing.

[Brex]

This kinda only affects bows.. and kinda changes depending on your distance.. so..

[ezkl]

J!NX posted:

May as well ban for gamepads as well

oh, and larger monitors

and superior computers

and changing the brightness

and changing the FOV

and macro mice

and turning off grass

and having a superior internet connection

and having a bad internet connection

and using teamspeak

and not announcing their existence before shooting you in the face

and being good at the game

oh and please piss off with "it gives you an advantage", literally all of the above does that as well, calling this a "cheat" as if it's somehow equal to aimbotting is simply idiotic.

We can't change the FOV, but if we could that'd be great - a lot of motion sick gamers are not playing this game simply because the fov cannot be changed

[jasonalloyd]

With anti cheat software such as Punkbuster you would be banned for crosshair overlays. It happened a lot in Battlefield games. But Punkbuster would take screenshots of your screen which I believe is the only way to detect it and as far as I know VAC does not do anything like that and VAC is the only anti cheat so far for Rust.

greatvalue posted:

I'm hesitant to explain exactly how they do it on an open forum, but there are a lot of people using a crosshair overlay in Rust right now.
The program they're using is really popular among gamers and its normal ingame overlay is for legitimate things not directly related to the gameplay. Some people figured out how use it to place a dot at the center of their screen to create a crosshair. Since the program they're using is used by so many legitimate players and because it's use has never triggered a VAC ban before, I'm curious if VAC is capable of detecting them crosshair cheating with it. I'd very much like to see these cheaters dealt with.

[whoismiked]

1. How do you even know if someone is using one? Let me guess anyone that is able to hit you with a shot is right?

2. I don't even see the issue, or even why anyone who isn't new to FP games would even need one. Anyone that has been playing any FP games for any amount of time knows where the middle of their screen is without something on their screen. Anyone who isn't experienced enough to know where the middle of their screen is probably don't have the skill/experience to even aim with one.

[MAVE2ICK]

there is a VERY simple solution to this, make firing at hip LESS accurate. Similar to Battlefield. If you did this the only weapon in the game the "crosshair" will benefit is a crossbow...and if you cant beat someone with one of those you need to play some more.

[Ebrim]

J!NX posted:

except doing that in monopoly would be exactly the same thing as inventory glitching or aimbotting, so that's a completely silly example and doesn't even make any sense at all. It's not even nearly as strong a cheat as that.

I hardly see how a crosshair will "Ruin the fun" in constrast to monopoly and money, as with monopoly and money you are essentially autowinning the game. only an aimbot could 'autowin'.

literally anyone can crosshair "Hack", even if by painting it on their screen and everyone can use teamspeak. Teamspeak is fair game.

I'm saying that games have rules, once you've altered the rules you're no longer playing the same game as everyone else. So what is the point? Claiming that just because everyone can cheat, everyone should, defeats the point of having rules in the first place and thus the game.

That there is no crosshair on a bow or that you can hear people over VOIP are design decisions with intentions behind them, circumventing them to gain an advantage over other people who are playing with the original framework of the game is anything but fair play.

[J!NX]

Ebrim posted:

I'm saying that games have rules, once you've altered the rules you're no longer playing the same game as everyone else. So what is the point? Claiming that just because everyone can cheat, everyone should, defeats the point of having rules in the first place and thus the game.

putting tape on your screen is hardly bending the rules.

anyone can do that, even honest to god anti-aimbot extremists.

Ebrim posted:

That there is no crosshair on a bow or that you can hear people over VOIP are design decisions with intentions behind them, circumventing them to gain an advantage over other people who are playing with the original framework of the game is anything but fair play.

So teamspeak is cheating now.

[Ebrim]

J!NX posted:

putting tape on your screen is hardly bending the rules.

anyone can do that, even honest to god anti-aimbot extremists.

I edited my last post, see above, you are moving contrary to game design decisions to gain an artificial advantage.

Can does not equal should.

[J!NX]

Ebrim posted:

I edited my last post, see above, you are moving contrary to game design decisions to gain an artificial advantage.

and I also intended to gain an unfair advantage by paying 1300$ on a gaming rig and blowing money on superior control hardware. Also, I totally will turn grass off even though it runs really well.

Am I cheating?

[Ebrim]

J!NX posted:

and I also intended to gain an unfair advantage by paying 1300$ on a gaming rig and blowing money on superior control hardware.

Am I cheating?

I don't think Facepunch designed Rust so that only older machines could play it, it's entirely anticipated and accepted that people will use different hardware. That's quite a bit different than intentionally deciding not to have a crosshair for the bow.

[amitkilo]

You know, you get just draw a dot in the middle of your screen, or place a circle sticker

[J!NX]

Ebrim posted:

I don't think Facepunch designed Rust so that only older machines could play it, it's entirely anticipated and accepted that people will use different hardware. That's quite a bit different than intentionally deciding not to have a crosshair for the bow.

a crosshair isn't going to make you suddenly magically have a huge advantage over everyone dude. Infact, despite the obvious intent of increasing accuracy it will give a very limited number of kills.

A proper gaming rig however, will, assuming everyone is running the game poorly.

I've taped my screen in CSS before, I was still shit on.

[Ebrim]

J!NX posted:

a crosshair isn't going to make you suddenly magically have a huge advantage over everyone dude.

A proper gaming rig however, will, assuming everyone is running the game poorly.

That may or may not be true, what is important is that one of these is perfectly in line with game design elements and the other is contrary to them.

[hqtitan]

Garry has said that nothing will be done about crosshairs; if users can't have a crosshair overlay running, they'll just wrap dental floss around their screen. You can't check every monitor for dental floss....