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So i always wondered why i read so much about how admin abuse is rampant in this game. Well the server i was playing on didn't have admin abuse in the traditional sense. It was a Pve server and they built a giant metal fortress for everyone to hide in and never get raided. It lagged out the whole server and they gave people a bunch of LQM. The next server i went to was with some of my friends clan he played dayz with. Well everything was going well until the admin came and killed all of us because i shot his friend, he then blewup our whole base, spawned in like 3000 airplanes then reset the server.
Well long story short i was frustrated with all the admin abuse so i decided to create my own server. I wanted a server where i could set the settings i wanted and there would be no admin abuse. Also i wouldn't have to rely on other people to ban the hackers and the troublemakers and i could just do it myself. So things were going well and my server was growing. Me and my friend have obviously been playing on it ALLOT so we have a big metal base with lots of items. Overall the experience has been awesome. Recently though i was looking for some pvp because well, the game gets boring without pvp. So an airdrop happens and me and my friend really need a metal foundation so we run to the airdrop and kill 2 guys in the process. Well they start bitching about how we got there to fast and how we must have teleported to them and spawned our Kevlar armor etc etc.... This went on for a while as they continued to yell at us for supposed "Admin Abuse". Well they left and i figured whatever they can think what they want so we went back to our base, unfortunately without a metal foundation. :(
Time went on for another day or so and we got up to 15 people on at one time. I was excited to see the server growing. So i decided to go see if i could get some pvp fun going on. Well i went and shot some guys in their foot around their base. So we got into a firefight and i won. Of course they knew i was an admin and they starting bitching saying i had god mode and how my server sucked and i didn't deserve anyone to play on it. I tried to explain that i was just looking for some fun pvp and that i don't abuse my powers but they just keep whining.
Well how am i supposed to prove that i don't abuse my admin powers? I cant period. I wonder if people call admin abuse all the time simply because when they get killed by an admin who likes to play the game just like me they can make themselves feel better by blaming it on admin abuse? I mean how am i supposed to deal with this situation. Not play on my own server that i pay for? Let me know what you think, i really want to get other people point of view on this topic.
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People are always going to whine whenever they die in Rust, even when you kill them legitimately there is nothing you can do besides feed on there tears.
''omg u killed me u use godmodez111!''
''omg how do u hav ful kevlar u spawnd it in!!11''
''omg howd u find me u must ov teleportd to me!!11''
''admin abuse''
Apply water to the burned area.
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I get accused of it semi often when someone gets killed and just shrug it off. People know me around the server and usually tell the person to STFU.
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"admin abuse" will always be said when you get killed b y a admin as your a bad loser this happens on ALL games not just rust ive owned many minecraft servers and i am unable to play as if i do they automatically say im spawning in items or in god mode ect, if you get killed by a admin dont assume just get on with it or move server
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ive been called an admin abuser in the server i play on multiple times.. im not an admin lol. people are just whiny these days, not much you can do about it.
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admin abuse is dependent on your view of it. Is it really abuse if they pay for the server which ENABLES them admin powers, which the server rental companies did not choose to regulate? NOPE. They are clearly playing the game on their server the way they intended for it be. Hate to break it to you and players like you but the admin of those servers dictate those rules. Don't like them? Go find another server. To sit here and whine about "OMG Server XX/XX/XX's admin abused his powers" is juvenile and ridiculous. You coming here whining about it shows that you are nothing more than a leach that can not abide by the community server admin's rules. Get out of here.
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I have $200 to waste on hosting faggots, i have adblock for a reason, KluKluxKid sexiest man alive!
October 2013
111 PostsThere are a few things you can do to stop the whining....
1.) Do not tell anyone that you are an admin...
2.) Change your name immediately for people who already know your an admin....
3.) Make sure you are logged off of Steam friends before any name changes....
If you do the steps above the whining will be limited to about 75% less....
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Not sure if you actually read my post, doesnt look like you did. I was trying to understand why people say admin abuse all the time when admin abuse isnt really happening. Admin abuse isnt a good thing for the community and people who do abuse their powers are worsening the rust community and taking players away from otherwise fair servers.
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It's no different to people accusing others of hacking, simply because they got shot. It's childish and ill considered. You can change your name, but you can't log off and change it back every time someone needs you to put your admin hat on.
On a related note, I recently shot some dudes with god mode on. I didn't realise it till I tried to suicide ...and didn't die. So I omg admin abuse'd (tp'd) to them and gave them a bunch of shit.
For any players or people wondering how to detect admin abuse before investing time into a server, ask who the admins are when you join, then find and shoot them ASAP, and talk shit about it. If they don spaz out and go all teleport tim on you, they're probably fine.
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We see this happen all the time on our server. Basically anybody who kills anybody is accused of being an admin or a cheater. If you employ basic strategy or are a good shot, you're obviously cheating and/or an admin.
Just normal 9-year-old kiddie gamer whining.
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Remember kids if your age is on the clock you are ready for the cock
It is because people have no sportsmanship
Can't believe I accidentally gave this a disagree rating shit lol
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Ill agree with it for you :P
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Dont tell anyone ur the admin....
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Here's a short answer to your question: The majority (certainly not all) of the rust communtiy are immature, prepubescent children, who can't control themselves. Be it the admins or the players, they simply can't act/behave in a respectable manner. The fact that commands exist to do these things opens the doors for all kinds of abuse. I'm sure this could be a heated topic for debate, however this is only my opnion and observation.
This is why I generally don't play on community servers, if and when I play rust.
Edited:
Wait why does rust even need admins... Micspam and chat spam? It was fine in the days before the steam release when I played... Having admins would ruin gameplay, there's nothing for them to do...
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as an admin, i have stopped playing and killing people altogether, our roles as an admin should be to manage the server and make it more enjoyable for others. Esp catching hackers and holding events.
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no admin abuse over at vonkeiser uk :-)
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http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?...konvict+gaming
no admin abuse here, come and enjoy a stress free server :)
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The server I play on the admins got accuses of abusing their powers because a random airdrop dropped the packages near their house.
This only happened once the whole time I was on.
People jump the gun to much and call abuse when most of the time it's not.
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^^this. As in any walk in life - to be trusted in position of power you shouldn't have conflicting interests. Playing the game while having ability to spawn whatever will always raise questions. Sadly it's either be an admin or a player but not both. I know this sux but same applies in real life..
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Yep... I'm always nervous when airdrops happen near my base. I honestly don't even go for them anymore.
I get accused of teleporting or calling the air drop for myself.
HOW DOES THIS MAKE SENSE? I could spawn myself any item in the game... Whydwould I spawn airdrops for myself?
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Sorry should have been a bit more clear. My post was directed primarily at the whiners. Was a very late night
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Every single time I raid a base everyone in the server screams "OMG its the cheating admins spawning c4!". It takes me all week to gather for my sat evening raids as I work full time.
Every time I kill someone who can't aim for shit because they came from minecraft everyone in the server screams "OMG its the cheating admins using godmode again!".
Every time someone tries to raid my fellow admins base everyone in the server screams "OMG it had a million doors, stupid admins spawning walls and making impossible bases". I've checked, his base is the 4th or 5th largest base in the server and it took ALL the metal we collected for the first two weeks of the server to make it.
This game is an absolute whine fest, and it is getting really old. And no, I will not stop playing the game just because I own the server. I know that I am clean, I know that the only other admin I allow is clean as well. Unfortunately unless they remove equipment spawning I can't prove it.
The only spawn I've done is when the config update broke airdrops for two days and I set three off at once before leaving to make it up to the population for being unable to advance in tech for that long.
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Seriously? You join this month and just start advertising your presumably crappy server without any bearing to the thread? Please don't advertise in other people's threads.
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My server has reached 75 people and then unfortunately my GSP got ddosed, however we reach 30 players on average at random times during the day -- and I have a sponsor spot on toprustservers to try and bring in some extra people
We haven't wiped yet, but honestly most of the veterans left because they got raided or just wanted to leave, so not too many people are geared and player counts are low enough that farming should be easy
We'll have several admins when rust++ 1.5 comes on, and I moderate the server pretty strictly. However when I'm playing I'm playing as a regular player, so feel free to kill me and what not - most of the time I'm not playing and just moderating/chatting through console
On weekends if the playercount is below the air drop requirement I might just do one during the daytime for the heck of it
http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1347749
All the info is there, it's US East so if you're in the US feel free to hop on, make sure to join the steam group cause I announce downtime and yatta yatta there. Only join if you're like not a child or some complete idiot, play how you want, understand there is downtime, and understand people ddos servers and it's out of my control if it happens
All data is backedup several times a week, and there's no rules besides no cheating/excessive racism
Quick info
100 slots
pvp/sleeper
3/4 craft
fall damage off (it was originally turned off to prevent that exploit, but i just kept it off cause fall damage is kind of wonky, feels better with it off)
So it's basically vanilla, and it has rust++ with NO starter kits/pms/friends etc
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Why you choose server with admin abuse?
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There's a lot of psychology behind it, tbh, which I'm sure someone, somewhere, has done some studies on, but here's the general thing...
PvP games tend to draw people with a specific, competetive mentality.
Part of the process of competing is the assumption that the bare, naked you is at least on a par with every other person in a game, and in a lot of cases, even suggests that you feel you are in some way better than the majority of other players. It's a sort of superiority complex, and as part of that kind of players self image, facing up to the reality that they might not be that good is just beyond them.
Because self reflection and being able to accept that you might not be as good as others, or even just "caught a bad break" is not always possible for people in that mindset, rather than instinctively saying "hey, I did that wrong" or "ouch, my luck ran out at the worst time" they instead assume that the other player must have had some unfair advantage.
Rather than "I ran across the ridge line at the top of a hill, exposing myself to anyone who looked in my direction, and took a bullet for my stupidity" they prefer to spout out:
"OMG, Camper noob" or "Aimbot!" because it's easier for their ego to assume you are at fault than they are.
This is why, on making the move into Pro gaming, a lot of gamers start recording themselves. They accept that they make mistakes, and analyse how they play to figure out what they did wrong. It's a process of maturing as a gamer that some people are never able to work up to, and others take to almost immediately.
In this case, your fault, as pointed out by others, was by making it known that you are an admin on that server. This immediately flags you as someone who can take advantage of something that is beyond the means of the average player with a superiority complex. This is the reason for everything you achieve, and everything you do on that server is tainted by it. You will never be divorced from that fact now, without completely wiping the server, and actively banning anyone on it that knew about your position and isn't the kind of close friend that will shut up about it.
I grant you, it sucks for you, a lot, that this is the case. You've inadvertently become a "badmin" without necessarily having done anything that qualifies.
But. And its a big but,
I sincerely hope that this will help you reflect on your own experiences on other servers, and you own views and opinions on the admins that lived there.
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OP, I experienced the same thing in my buddy's server. I had admin there and every single time I killed someone they complained about admin abuse, and left the server. I even had people posting on different forums we had advertised on saying not to play there due to admin abuse. Ended up shutting down the server as people wouldn't play on it.
I recently purchased my own server, and plan on building it into a fast pace pvp style server, rather than traditional. What I will do differently this time, is I will use a second steam account that I will put rust on, and I will use that account as the Admin to my server, but will for the most part just be afk in game and respond with that account when people call for an admin. That way I can play in peace with my normal account and still frag with out people complaining about it.
So for $20 I hopefully can run and play the game on my server without the hassle of people calling abuse.
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So, if an admin makes personal structures using Admin commands its abuse, but everything is all hunky dory if they were using Admin powers to give stuff to everyone? Its hilarious how if an Admin does anything except ban cheaters its considered abuse. The mentality of how if an Admin actually uses their powers for anything other than showering the server patrons with freebies they are "abusive" or "corrupt" is why you almost never see Admins/GMs on most MMOs.
When they eventually make it that anyone can setup a personal server and not just have to rent one, I am gonna personally join every single one and call out all the hypocrites that do what they are considering "abusive", but is suddenly OK because they are running the server.
EDIT: I forgot to add: I've played on games where on rare occasions Admins/GMs would attack people either with god mode or super high stat GM gear. I get that its annoying in a game like Rust where you drop all your stuff on death but maybe they were trying to mix things up? I can't help but think if it was an invincible monster rather than a player things would be different.
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Seriously, stop advertising your shit. This thread isn't for advertising servers.
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Nice rbreslow, way to re-advertise his post by DUPPING it entirely and letting someone re-read it.. nice.. your totally helping the problem.
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Unfortunately, those most drawn to power are typically the last that should have it. Some cheaters and some admins probably have very like mentalities. In a game like Rust, server rankings and reputation will be essential in the long run.
I think it's also possible a lot of good would-be admins are holding back due to the extent of cheating in Rust. When that stabilizes, so too will the community.
In a game like Rust, server rankings and reputation will be essential in the long run.
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Stepping into the rust forum is like stepping into the special education classroom in an elementary school. This is exactly why rust faces these problems of admin abuse, cheating, and hacking.
I quoted his post so people would know who/what I am referring to -- this isn't re-advertising.
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If you are a server owner getting called out on it, just use broadcast message to communicate and play the game without anyone knowing you're an admin, works for me and I can play hassle free.
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Hey guys,
try this Server out;
Mvp-rust.com
the admin isnt even playing so there isnt any Abused
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I gave him all the info he needed on a server, and linked to the actual post in the server section
If that makes you upset then feel free to cry, it's already been deleted by whomever which is sadness in itself because I took the time to type it out for the OP
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Any dickhead can play the game.
Similarly any dickhead can rent a server.
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There isnt as much admin abuse as these forums would lead you to believe. Are there some bad admins? For sure there are, but Im thinking there is a lot more fragile ego's that couldnt take being kicked or banned for doing something they shouldnt have, and feel they need 'the last word' more than anything. Most of us try to run solid, respectful communities.
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Eugh. This is true.
For instance, on a server I play on there was a giant clan that took up over half the server's population.
The owner thought it would be best that they leave, so he politely asked them to leave after the next wipe because it's not the environment he wanted to promote on his server.
At first, they did just that, no problem. But then for some reason they decided to throw a huge shitfest on the forums, making up tons of lies regarding his behavior and treatment of them.
Anyways, the owner himself is so against admin-abuse that he hardly does anything as an admin.
Probably the most he uses admin for is calling in airdrops once per day (he has it set to manual) and teleporting players who are stuck in the terrain.
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Pretty sure you can get yourself out of terrain, simply F1 suicide enter.
There is no reason to ever use anything but kick/ban/say when running a server. Possibly invisible gear simply so you can AFK somewhere.
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Suicide because you got stuck in glitchy terrain when an admin could just teleport you a few feet away? Makes no sense.
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