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I'm getting tired of seeing groups of tens roaming around wrecking shit. It's unbalanced and not fun - worse than that, it completely ignores the survival aspect of the game and becomes a shoot em up game much like All Points Bulletin. This can't even be fixed unless the entire concept of the game changes - which I doubt will be happening anytime soon. Does anyone else feel this way or am I just crazy?
Say what you want about DayZ, about it feels like it is more about survival than Rust. I honestly think Rust is more playable, but DayZ has more potential in the future.
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This is pretty much the only thing that seriously threatens this game.
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put on kevlar boots, pants, chest, and cloth helmet. approach their group from behind, at an angle, so they don't notice you approaching. congratulations! you are now disguised amongst their group. there's so many of them that they won't realize you're someone else unless they get close enough to see your name.
now that you're extremely close and have the element of surprise, throw some grenades, blast them with shotguns, etc... with 2 or 3 people doing this you could kill off all 10 of them, because there would be way too much confusion for them to accurately decipher enemy vs ally.
if you don't have those kinds of supplies, stay off the beaten path. they're a very large group, so they're easy to notice when they come rampaging by.
besides, groups like this make the game fun, since they give the rest of the server a goal: work together to get rid of these assholes stomping all over the server like they own it.
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So playing with your friends, threatens this game??
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I disagree. Gathering groups together, to work together, is making this game great
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That would be awesome if more people had access to kevlar
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That is not what I said. I said playing in groups of 10s or 20s threatens the game. No longer about "surviving"
I don't think you bought Rust for the right reasons. If you like these type of games, play TDM on BF, CS or CoD or play in "police vs criminal" style games like APB, GTA Online, ect
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Make friends or lose to people who have made friends.
Making friends is a key point to survival in any realistic survival case I can think of - Besides how in the hell do you propose to outlaw friends playing the game together?
Gosh, how dare a videogame encourage teamwork!
Unbalanced for people with zero social skills or friends!
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March 2010
8,901 Posts
uhm
this happens in every single multiplayer game in the world, incudling dayz
you cant prevent it
get some friends.
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Getting near a workbench and using 2 items from Zombies that are killable with a Rock is a high bar to pass to gain access to the exclusive kevlar club?
What do you want - to spawn with it equipped?
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i think you have a poor understanding of the game's direction. here's a quote from the game's creator:
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I agree this is a problem. Just because, once you get to a group of 10+ c4 becomes a joke to craft. On my current server that was just wiped, within 2 days of server time my house was raided and I counted the use of at least 30 c4, assuming they did it perfectly. This was with minimal airdrops as well. For groups of 3-5 c4 is pretty balanced, but once you get those large communities 15+, every house not in said community is easy to raid. I could care less about large wandering groups, but their ability to make tons of c4 kills servers quickly.
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"The only aim in Rust is to survive. To do this you will need to overcome struggles such as hunger, thirst and cold. Build a fire. Build a shelter. Kill animals for meat. Protect yourself from other players. Create alliances with other players and together form a town. Whatever it takes to survive."
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Pretty much any postapocalyptic/survival piece of fiction book or movie involves some large group of bandits picking on individuals. So, do some reading or watch some movies to get some ideas together on what to do. Hint: Form a countergroup.
Heck, if groups weren't allowed, then luck would be an even factor i.e. who happens to get to c4 first so they can loot all the other individuals.
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It doesn't ignores the survival aspect, it is a part of it.
But I'm sure you would try to survive alone on an island with zombies and other stuff if this would happen to you. :D
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This is annoying to deal with right now but when the map actually gets fully developed, it'll be slightly less annoying because of the vast areas to hide and so forth.
Right now people are literally congregated around one "circular-ish" road. Even the farthest parts that spawn resources aren't that far from the road and certainly not that hard to find.
I think this will be fixed when the map becomes more expansive and introduces possible caves and so forth...really just the environment needs to be improved.
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*To the original poster*
I think the playstyle of the 'lone survivor' can actually be a lot of fun but you have to change your playstyle.
30 metal doors? How big is your base?
Playing solo can be a lot of fun but I've discovered through being raided countless times that stealth and several small bases are a lot more effective than one huge base.
In addition, if you are creative there are a lot of ways to hide your items.
Mix up your playstyle, you'll have a lot more fun! :)
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This is what I say to everyone.
It's no matter how strong your base is if you can't protect it 24/7.
Stealth is everything.
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What the hell are you talking about? There's no Kevlar blueprint by default
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You forgot the mention that's almost impossible to kill a zombie with a rock.
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After reading this thread: few suggestions for you... below of course
1) Form your own group and take control back
2) Learn to deal with it, it won't be fixed or going away at all
3) Stockpile tons of stuff and disperse it through several small bases. I'm not talking 2-3, I'm talking 5-7 with one large central base that you can use for your sleeping accomodations / fortressing.
4) Listen to the other posters and don't make excuses saying it's the games' fault when really, and ultimately, it's yours.
5) Play the game and have fun
6) Find a server where there's more friendlies and play there
7) Find a PVE server if you don't like what's going on
8) Don't play Rust if you really can't handle things like this. It will always be around.
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It's very simple to kill a zombie with a rock, Get within 5-8 yards from a zombie, hold mouse 1, hold shift, hit zombie, profit... it takes 3 rock hits to melee a zombie and you will take zero damage if you do it properly. In a sense you'll be charging up your rock ( thats how I think of it. )
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You must be very bad at this game.
Kill zombies with rock.
Acquire Kevlar BP.
It was changed such that Zombies have dropped Kevlar BPs for the last several weeks. Even if they dropped the straight Kevlar pieces like before - You would have gotten several Kits on average before a single armour piece dropped. End result is roughly the same time spent. With zero gear required.
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I only just acquired a Kevlar Helmet BP today lol
that's what, 20-30 zombies?
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Yep, it's very fast to acquire if you farm zombies.
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not sure what game you're playing, it is extremely easy to kill zombies with a rock.
left click with rock to start the attack, sprint and run through the zombie, time it so your swing ends as you're running through it, takes 3 hits, zombies drop so much food that taking the odd hit from them isn't a problem either (although you shouldn't get hit at all, tbh)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLA1fm-Qmxk some random vid that shows it
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I have no problems with massive groups that play this game. I am apart of a very large group myself. The problem comes from these massive groups annihilating fresh spawns at every turn. Guy chopping wood with a rock? Better gang up 7 to 1 and kill him. Then either bitch you wasted ammo on a naked guy hitting a tree with a rock (this happens WAY too much to me) or laugh and taunt him till he quits the server. Which is the normal response...
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So team up to a large group to greatly increase survivability is wrong to you?
Rust is freedom man
No complains from my side here
This is part of the game man
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Yeah... stop shooting everyone you see in the face like a fuckhead (a good bet you do considering 99% of Rust players do this), and maybe you can gather a defense of more than yourself.
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I used to play in a large group but found it easy/faceroll/boring. atm I play with 1 other and we have loads of fun killing groups of kev guys or at least trying. We have a few other friends in game and if we need the help to take out a larger group we get together.
Nothing better than sitting on a rock and ambushing a group of kev wearing cloth/leather with p250s :D
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they're wearing cloth helmets.. One shot headshot.. A group of 2 people, even one person with a decent aim and an M4 could take them all out provided he had the drop on them and wasn't trigger happy..
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This is typically more than playing with friends. It's playing with people you barely know for the sake of seeing someone else's experience ruined. I understand that it's a survival game. I myself play with 2-3 people at a time. But gathering 10 guys together and killing anyone in your path is just ruining the experience for other players.
If you're in a group that large, focus on raiding other groups the same size. Don't kill guys in their shacks or people just beginning to develop a compound. It's much more fun when they have just as much gear as you do.
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Obviously you've missed the point of the post. There are groups like this on every popular server. Not all of them wear cloth. Most of them are decked out in full kevlar with multiple guns, charges and kits. That's because they control the server and forbid anyone from developing any sort of competition.
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It is a sandbox game guys, not a linear one, so if you just want to gather ressources and build a cute little house, better play minecraft, or even the sims, no one will bother you ;)
But no ! Of course you want to play rust with no threats, what is the point ?
When we come across that kind of group with a friend or two, we are like : "yeaaah, tons of stuff :D" (We don't always succeed, i reassure you, but it is still fun and we start over).
Just improve your skills and stop whining ("no it is too hard [sob]" -_-).
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same here. For a week I was rolling with a group of 6. We raided and killed tons of people, but I got bored pretty fast. It's just no challenge at all to me when most people you destroy lack equipment, numbers and tactics.
I find it much more enjoyable to play PvP with 1-2 friends being hostile towards anyone (I'd say moderate difficulty) or being solo while trying to be a neutral survivor (which to me is Rust in 'hardcore nightmare' difficulty).
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Okay, so, let me get this straight. You don't believe that these people originally banned together in order to increase their own survivability? That a small 2-3 man group can't take them out, granted it's a coordinated attack? That large groups of people makes the game like CoD?
This is just silly, naive and akin to digitally throwing a tantrum. Look, I don't know your situations and I will not attempt to assume what they are. All I know is that this is the intended direction that the developers wanted. Not specifically gathering in groups to raid smaller groups, but the freedom to choose to do so; the freedom to choose to retaliate; the freedom to choose to run away; the freedom to choose to sit there picking sand from your butt. This game is about unrestricted choice, granted you can outsmart and outplay your adversaries.
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So you are saying, that DayZ and Rust are different?
If 10 people in DayZ come up to you, and you die and lose all your stuff, that wouldn't make you upset?
It's the same, in both games..
It sucks.
You can do 2 things.
You man up, and try to find people to raid those 10man.
Or you join a less populated server.
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Contrary to belief, this game is no more non-linear than DayZ and any other game is. The pattern of progression is amongst the user. Meaning that once you've acquired pretty much everything you need... your pattern is to either continue grabbing resources as a focus... PVP... or a mix of both. There's always patterns of linear progression in games regardless or not of if they're of 'non-linear' style. No matter where you turn, there is a pattern of linear progression.
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Groups are ruining the game. Games by definition are meant to be about skill, not about mobbing it up. I have played with friends before and it does not help. It is hard to get everyone online at the same time, too often when raided I was alone or in a much smaller group. Whenever there's more than 4 people in a group, the game is just ruined in that part of the map.
There needs to be a way to dispose or mobbed up players where it simply won't pay off to fight 5v1 in an open field. A buff to grenades, a scope for the Bolt Action, stun/smoke grenades, traps... I don't know. The game is very snowbally already, in groups it is insane.
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Might be correct @ 5v1 but as far as the game being ruined? Nah. I enjoy a challenge. Half the time I can take 3-4 of them down. Almost feels like its CS:GO on drugs... Counter-Strike: Survivor Island!
Just saying... it's fun. I was playing CS:GO about an hour ago and 5k'd people down long in Dust2 because I planted for long and they all thought they could defuse only to find themselves awped in the forehead while the last guy decided to try and m4a1-s rush me down long to get picked himself.
It's fun. I enjoy a challenge of this nature. Not saying that others don't... but this just adds flavor for me. When it's 10v1 there's a more drastic approach and at that point you better have 1-2 more people with you or you're toast.
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Completely wrong, the group would have to be complete morons - we're in VOIP and immediately know everyones positions, we're always calling and know our exact numbers/placements during raids - if anyone is out of place they're dead in a second - we have a group of 11 and honestly we've never lost a single raid
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