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I recently rented a server for Rust, I enjoy the game completely. The one thing i like the most out of all though is the building part. Would i be abusing my admin powers to spawn materials just build with on my server? I never keep any of the buildings, I never place a door. One of the things i built was a shanty town. Lots of shelters surrounded by Large spike walls. Probably 100 shelters all together. I thought that would be a nice PVP area. I've wanted to build houses all over the map to fill up some of the empty spaces and put in my own crates with random loot inside like the Rad Zones but i see all these posts about other admins abusing there power that i don't want to get slotted in with them. What do you guys/gals think? And I'm sorry if i posted this in the wrong place.
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Cantplay
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Yes.
It's probably not harmful abuse, but it's still abuse.
Abuse does not necessitate using something wrongly. You can abuse privileges.
If you do *anything* in game that you could not otherwise do if you were not the admin and has an impact in the world in any way, you're abusing the power of being an admin.
Of course, if your server title is "Prebuilt towns and housing" or something, then people will be connecting expecting that specifically, and it wouldn't be viewed as abuse necessarily.
You may be viewing it as not effecting the game, but consider this: part of the game is surviving long enough to build your shelter. If I stumble upon a prebuilt house and all I have to do is put a door on it, I'm bypassing a large portion of the "early game".
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No, but when I enter a new community server and the first thing I see is a giant metal base I assume admin abuse and leave. Just something to consider.
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if you arent doing it to gain an advantage i dont see why not. If you are setting up an environment for the players to enhance their experience id say thats being a good admin. I believe the admins accused of abusing their power would be taking advantage of their power to retaliate if they got attacked, or kick/ban players who cross them. Basically unsportsman like conduct. I actually wouldnt mind seeing an admin do things like that, adds some spice to the game. change up the inevitable monotony that occurs once you get your house and stock pile sulfur.
It might not be a bad idea to put a note in the server description such as "prefab houses, random loot chests" or something to that nature to give people the heads up that you have placed items around for their usage
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Id say yes, but not in a harmful way. Its not as bad as walking around with godmode on killing people, but it is still using admin powers to do something a normal player cant do.
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Yes it would be admin abuse.
Worse yet it would lag the piss out of your server and it's clients.
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By that token ANY admin power is abuse of power. The abuse comes in when using that power in a way that gives you an unfair advantage. If the buildings and other items mentioned are open to the players to discover and use then thats quite the opposite of abuse. Its using the admin power to enhance the game play experience
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The way i see it ( Which doesnt mean that im open to being wrong ), if an admin uses admin powers for anything other then doing admin shit like checking out hackers and the like, i see it as abuse. If a regular player cant do the same, i dont see why its fair.
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This is not abuse as long as you make it clear to people who play on your server that you will be doing it.
Admin abuse is using admin powers to give yourself a leg up on the other players on the server. If you choose to make a server that has random towns and spawns, and you tell people that you are going to do that, I see no issues with it.
The only problem I see is decay. Any place that is not used for a period of time will break down and fall apart. I think there are mods out there that can turn off decay, but I hope you don't spend too much time making towns that will eventually be destroyed due to inactivity.
As a heads up, the system determines that a structure is not inactive by doors being opened and campfires that are on the foundations. If you make lots of buildings with no doors, they will be inactive almost immediately.
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I have been playing with the idea of adding the MOD to stop decay on my server. Thanks everyone for your input. You guy have all given me some things to think about also thanks about the title suggestion so simple i would not have thought of it. If i where to actually build the way i suggested it would all mostly be out past Hacker Valley way east so people would still have to survive till they explored that area. Again though thanks for the input.
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No, that's definitely not abusive. You rent a server. You maintain it. You should have certain privileges to run the server the way you'd like it to be ran. Building up shanty towns and allowing players to take up residence inside of those pre-built structures is NOT abusive. Anyone claiming it is abusive has never met an actual abusive admin. Your building adds a different aspect to the gameplay. I wouldn't occupy a prebuilt structure because I enjoy a sense of accomplishment by putting time into my personal structure. But I can see the appeal.
What you described is perfectly acceptable. Now, if you spawned all the material for your own personal structure; that's abusive. (Personally I'd even be fine if you did that, but it qualifies as abusive; albeit, on a different level than godmode admins and weapon spawning admins).
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Do whatever you want on your own server
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You neglect to consider that sometimes servers have communities of 8-10 people that don't seem... you'd be surprised what can be farmed and built in a day... Rome, for instance.
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Rome wasn't built in a day.
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It's your server and it's your money so as an admin you are free to do as you please, but don't be surprised if players don't want to play on your server.
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I myself wouldn't see this as abuse as long at it's not built for personal gain. I myself am investing in a server to create a pve rp town for folks to come trade, craft, just gather. I expects folks to be off building in their own areas. But I want to build a community, not just a shoot you in the face steal your stuff. It's all about what you want out of your server. Just don't go giving everyone everything. Maybe only build the town itself, but gather your own materials for your own residence. Try to keep your game play separate from the towns gameplay. ie. if your not admining the server, be playing like everyone else, blend in.
Good luck and have fun, it's what it's all about.
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I wouldn't play on a server where an admin went around and built a bunch of buildings.
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I would consider the fact that sometimes building stuff in random places to "fill the map in" may take away build sites for future players.
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It's your server ... go nuts and build all you want. But you will quickly lose interest and begin looking for ways to populate your server with players (who probably perceive you as abusive).
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Of all the servers I've built i really have not found any in the no mans land they are all normally packed near to the road or that general area by the water. Ive probably found a few in Hacker Valley or that far east at all. But again thanks for the insight. Oh and also when i build i don't use metal buildings. Only wood.
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As already mentioned it is abuse, as you are giving materials to your self that would other wise take a non-admin many hours to gather. However, if your server mentions something like pre-built bases/towns in the title, then i'm sure players who like that sort of thing will join and not consider it abuse.
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You are wrong.
Abuse is misusing something.
In this case the admin is decorating the map he sees fit for his server, for all players. It is no more "abuse" than switching the map, or the gamemode.
If he was using the houses for himself then it would be abuse.
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No, i mean you are making the game more interesting, sometimes the fights are only in a desert land, making new "zones" with shelters and shit make the game even more interesting
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If you aren't harming someone or doing something for your own gain it isn't abuse. You would be making the shanty town for the good of your server.
Although, I hate seeing a ton of houses everywhere on a server to be honest.
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I find this thread somewhat ridiculous. As an admin I've built myself metal bases (not huge lag out the server kind) and I don't see how that is abuse. I don't pick on players around it and I don't store anything inside it. Mostly because I don't want some lucky (or hacking) and opportunistic person to get away with a king's ransom.
I pay a monthly fee to host "MY" own server. What I do in it is my own business. Same goes for any other server admin. However, I would define abuse as using your powers to kill people, spawning weapons for other players and sending them to do your dirty work, and a ton more examples of actual abuse.
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This is what's wrong with the community. I have a fairly big metal structure that took me hours and hours and hours to farm the materials to get. The admin has a wood shack.
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from a personally "ADMINISTRATIVE" point of view as I see the majority of this thread is filled with players rather than hosts:
I'd say it's perfectly fine to build bases, shacks, arenas, pvp hotspots.. but don't make the game too easy by leaving guns or other RARE items in the crates your discussing... add a tag to your server name like [New Towns] or [Added Lootable Buildings], I would definitely say NO METAL, metal is one thing that will make alot of people think an admin is abusing his powers... keep it simple, Barricaded towns, spike fence arenas and other things :)
Hope I helped...
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Thanks again for the input, sorry I'm just seeing some of these last posts or i would have responded and thanked you sooner.
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This is actually a very good question...
In my opinion IF you run it as a private server with a few mates who know what they're getting in to then NO. It's your server, your playground, do what u want. Not abuse.
BUT if you plan on running it as a public server then ANYTHING that gives you a practical advantage over another player IS admin abuse. As the others have said, "admin abuse" isn't always harmful. But it still gives you an advantage and therefore IS abuse.
If you want to try a few designs out I'd suggesting making your server private to throw some ideas together before doing a wipe and making it public.
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I personally wouldn't play on a server where the admin is giving themselves or their friends any type of advantage over other players.
That being said, tt's your server, you're paying for it, so you can do anything you want.
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How is it an advantage though if i don't keep the buildings or use them for my personal storage? Once I'm done building in that area i leave and go somewhere else to build.
Edit: I don't actually play on my own server other then to build places for players to explore and the aforementioned events i hold. If i want to raid or do normal PVP then i play on another server.
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If everyone on the server is able to do this, or it is just a private server that is not open to the public, then it would be ok. Otherwise, I'd call it abuse.....not necesarrily malicious, but abuse none the less.
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IF you build them then abandon them with no doors and no storage, then continue to build your own base somewhere else using only resources you've obtained yourself and NEVER return to the previous buildings then I guess it's fine.
But your setting yourself up for a distinct disadvantage. Someone could join the server, find one of these buildings and whack a door on it and there would be nothing wrong with that.
But IF you do return or plan to use these buildings for one thing or another, the sheer fact that you know exactly where they are and how they're built is your advantage. And therefore .. Your abuse.
It's better to just not do it.
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Let me see if i am getting the jist of this so far, If i use my admin ability to spawn in materials to build structures and what not for others players to explore (malicious or not) and us the same aforementioned ability to get the prizes for people for said events its still abuse and not enhancing the game play by adding more content and area's to explore?
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I don't return to these places at all, Before when i originally posted this i didn't add doors. Now i do though but they are all unlocked so anyone can open them. Also like i said before i just build and only do the contest on this server. I also over watch the server for hacks and greifing.
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Bottom line CantPlay,
IF whatever it is you want to do gives you even a slight advantage over another player then yes, it's admin abuse.
However .. There are no rules for running your own server, you won't get banned for doing it, at the end of the day .. You pay for it, you do what you want.
Players will make their own mind up whether they want to play it or not. There is nothing wrong with doing what you want on your own server. Don't let the fact that people label it "admin abuse" put you off. It's your server :)
For example: My admin spawned metal parts to make a jail when metal parts weren't even craftable in our server. That's admin abuse .. BUT everyone thought it was a cool idea. If it's your server .. It's your decision. Players will make their own mind up whether or not they think it's fair and will stay or leave based on that decision.
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Thanks Stewie, i see what your saying. My main deal with this thread is i don't want someone to come to my server see ow i run it and then come to the forums and scream admin abuse when im just trying to add to the game without actually trying to change the game. Does that make sense?
Edit: just trying to find that thin line between enhancing game play and abuse.
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I added a bit to my last post ...
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It's your server, if people don't like it they can leave. If they're going to rage and scream "ADMIN ABUSE" without taking the time to know why you do what you do, they don't belong in your community anyway. I think it's pretty cool that you create buildings for players to explore.
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Yeah I see what you're saying. I think most people ignore those threads.
At the end of the day it's your server, do what you want. The only place where admin abuse is a real problem is on official servers. And people who use it to gain a huge power advantage. What you're proposing seems perfectly fair and would be up to the players whether they agree to join in or not.
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if the server is empty who cares, if its very populated i would immediately leave
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