[Maximum Over]

lunatic1979 posted:

The butthurt seems strong with this one..

I'm continually dumbfounded at all the people who expect -- nay, DEMAND -- that this game be flawless right now. There will be cheaters, there will be bugs, there will be problems, there will be LOTS of room for improvement ... it's all part of being alpha.

In this case, if a server becomes unplayable, you just walk away. Find another server, or put the game down for a few days. Maybe read a book or go outside. Seriously - it'll be here when you get back, and you won't have to deal with the cheaters. The people raging in the forums about "OMG HACKERS THE DEVS ARE LAZY" deserve to just quit the Internet.

[Bierno]

this mass kill is retarded as hell...
worst hack ever... and we dont even know who doing the hack so we cant even ban them

[dobeyxxl]

Maximum Over posted:

I'm continually dumbfounded at all the people who expect -- nay, DEMAND -- that this game be flawless right now. There will be cheaters, there will be bugs, there will be problems, there will be LOTS of room for improvement ... it's all part of being alpha.

In this case, if a server becomes unplayable, you just walk away. Find another server, or put the game down for a few days. Maybe read a book or go outside. Seriously - it'll be here when you get back, and you won't have to deal with the cheaters. The people raging in the forums about "OMG HACKERS THE DEVS ARE LAZY" deserve to just quit the Internet.

Spoken like a kid who either got a free key from Beta or Mommy gave him 20$ for a game. Others, you know the ones who invest real Monthly Money and dedicate tremendous amounts of time running and modding there servers so you can play may have a different outlook.

Admins need proper tools to combat hackers, like esp, and spectate, kill logs and a better rcon tool. At a minimum the Rcon needs to log all players that connect and disconnect and keep a easily sorted log so that we can manage the playerbase properly.

20 or 40 dollars per month per server hosted adds up, we are the playerbases life line, we provide the space so the playerbase can grow, we just cant go, Oh well it was only 20$ that mommy gave me, I will just play C.O.D, its only alpha.

We need a patch pronto, at least give us the option to turn off suicide.

[elixwhitetail]

dobeyxxl posted:

Spoken like a kid who either got a free key from Beta or Mommy gave him 20$ for a game. Others, you know the ones who invest real Monthly Money and dedicate tremendous amounts of time running and modding there servers so you can play may have a different outlook.

Admins need proper tools to combat hackers, like esp, and spectate, kill logs and a better rcon tool. At a minimum the Rcon needs to log all players that connect and disconnect and keep a easily sorted log so that we can manage the playerbase properly.

20 or 40 dollars per month per server hosted adds up, we are the playerbases life line, we provide the space so the playerbase can grow, we just cant go, Oh well it was only 20$ that mommy gave me, I will just play C.O.D, its only alpha.

We need a patch pronto, at least give us the option to turn off suicide.

Calling people children is a fantastic argument. You should be a delegate to the UN.

This game is in alpha, and you have unrealistic expectations for an unfinished game.

Are the hackers assholes? Yep! VAC should take care of most of them soon enough. The devs are looking at additional options. They are very aware.

[slait]

Its not a mass kill and its not a suicide command. If you type suicide you fall down dead without the sound of breaking legs like the hack is doing. From what the hackers say, they can kill anyone in ESP range just by aiming at them and hitting the hack.

[Oleoay]

Maximum Over posted:

I'm continually dumbfounded at all the people who expect -- nay, DEMAND -- that this game be flawless right now. There will be cheaters, there will be bugs, there will be problems, there will be LOTS of room for improvement ... it's all part of being alpha.

In this case, if a server becomes unplayable, you just walk away. Find another server, or put the game down for a few days. Maybe read a book or go outside. Seriously - it'll be here when you get back, and you won't have to deal with the cheaters. The people raging in the forums about "OMG HACKERS THE DEVS ARE LAZY" deserve to just quit the Internet.

I don't expect perfection. From a gameplay standpoint, the game's pretty fun so far. However, between the rubberbanding and the mass hacking, especially the suicide hacking, it's virtually unplayable. How can you enjoy a survival game where your survival half the time depends on whether you're lagging and the other half the time about whether a hacker just happened to type your name into a suicide console?

Heck, I love a lot of things about this game. It reminds me of early Ultima Online where you basically had to fend for yourself without some code taking away PvP and with scarce resources. I do think the resources need a little tweaking, btw... not so much in more resources, but they need to be spread out more so that the three prime locations (Hacker, Next, Resource) don't get camped.

But, here's the thing. I understand it's an alpha. I understand a lot has to be fixed and I can be patient about it. However, the idea that the official servers have no moderators to ban hate speech, griefers or spammers, the Rust Admin don't communicate much in forums and almost never in-game and they do things like updates and server wipes without warning or patch notes with all this happening on the official servers makes me wonder how well supported the final product would be.

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elixwhitetail posted:

Calling people children is a fantastic argument. You should be a delegate to the UN.

This game is in alpha, and you have unrealistic expectations for an unfinished game.

Are the hackers assholes? Yep! VAC should take care of most of them soon enough. The devs are looking at additional options. They are very aware.

I'll disagree about the awareness. That Rust post came out before the suicide hack and it's hard to tell if any admin stayed behind from their Seattle gathering to do anything about it.

[dobeyxxl]

slait posted:

Its not a mass kill and its not a suicide command. If you type suicide you fall down dead without the sound of breaking legs like the hack is doing. From what the hackers say, they can kill anyone in ESP range just by aiming at them and hitting the hack.

Esp is like 250 and the hack is 400 or so, as a admin you need to have a esp hack and God mod on to catch them which is comical since your legs are broken, its a joke

[ShorterName]

dobeyxxl posted:

Spoken like a kid who either got a free key from Beta or Mommy gave him 20$ for a game. Others, you know the ones who invest real Monthly Money and dedicate tremendous amounts of time running and modding there servers so you can play may have a different outlook.

Admins need proper tools to combat hackers, like esp, and spectate, kill logs and a better rcon tool. At a minimum the Rcon needs to log all players that connect and disconnect and keep a easily sorted log so that we can manage the playerbase properly.

20 or 40 dollars per month per server hosted adds up, we are the playerbases life line, we provide the space so the playerbase can grow, we just cant go, Oh well it was only 20$ that mommy gave me, I will just play C.O.D, its only alpha.

We need a patch pronto, at least give us the option to turn off suicide.

Yeah, there's just thousands upon thousands of lines to go through. A quick search for "accidental suicide hack loophole" and then deleting that should be a 5 minute fix at most. And it's not like things are intertwined or anything. There's totally just a box to turn on and off the features of the game and have it work flawlessly afterwards. They should totally just turn the suicide on switch to off. How are they not seeing this!