1. Post #1

    January 2014
    11 Posts
    So as of two days ago me and 5 of my 8 friends have been VAC banned. We've been playing on mainly one Multiplay server.After about 3-4 days of building we were doing quite well,we had a small house hidden on the back side a mountain and only got raided twice(no clippers assume since we hadnt lost any metal doors) which wasnt a big deal. As we played a lot of us had common glitches occurring,Glitching back to where i just was,or walking into an invisible wall and getting stuck, or more common just going up hill then all the sudden falling threw the map to our deaths.We understand its an alpha but after that latest patch i got stuck on the corner of a tree and then my screen spazed and i was vac banned. Similar case for my 5 other friends. one was at the crafting table and fell threw the floor and then was DC'ed and Vac banned.

    I've also had two friends from my steam list who i dont play with that much complain that they got banned after an admin tp'd them to him. Will anything be done or do each one of us have to appeal to VAC for this?
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  2. Post #2
    Ogopogo's Avatar
    March 2011
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    Appeal the ban with valve. Maybe if you are lucky you will get unbanned.

    Most likely not.
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  3. Post #3
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    Wyvyrias's Avatar
    January 2014
    1,623 Posts
    VAC scans your memory and DLL stuff.
    If you got VAC banned, then not for tp'ing.
    You used a cheat. Deal with it.

    btw: Your Steam profile seems to be invalid. Add a valid ID, please.
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  4. Post #4
    lolo's Avatar
    February 2010
    2,051 Posts
    Garry said himself that no one is going to get unbanned, I wish I could find the thread to quote it for you. But you cheated, you got banned fair and square.

    VAC only detects modifications to .DLL's and .EXE's, the "teleport" or "bug" excuse doesn't work on anyone.
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  5. Post #5

    December 2013
    111 Posts
    i'm admin and i tp myself all day long, so if tp could generate a vac ban i would be banned.

    so... are you another cheater lying?
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  6. Post #6

    January 2014
    11 Posts
    VAC scans your memory and DLL stuff.
    If you got VAC banned, then not for tp'ing.
    You used a cheat. Deal with it.

    btw: Your Steam profile seems to be invalid. Add a valid ID, please.
    thats my correct name in my profile,dont know whats wrong on your end.
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  7. Post #7
    lolo's Avatar
    February 2010
    2,051 Posts
    thats my correct name in my profile,dont know whats wrong on your end.
    You should click on it yourself to verify.

    Right under your post count.

  8. Post #8
    Dennab
    December 2013
    50 Posts
    gj vac
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  9. Post #9

    January 2014
    11 Posts
    We all got dc'ed all the time when just walking around randomly.But i guess ill just appeal then. Non of us cheated,we played on a very low pop server with its top being 10 people so we could just build and kill each other. there were maybe 2-3 people on the server we played on who werent us. two of which were admins.

  10. Post #10
    SwitchOr's Avatar
    June 2013
    6 Posts
    Is this you Xcrona ? http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198019441239
    Can you make your profile public?

  11. Post #11

    January 2014
    11 Posts
    You should click on it yourself to verify.

    Right under your post count.
    i didnt work for me ether..dont know why its not working since thats my steam ID in my profile.And my name is Moss but when i click on my profile it comes up unspecified?ill find a link to my accountant

    Edited:

    Is this you Xcrona ? http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198019441239
    Can you make your profile public?
    THERE IT IS! and yah one moment

    EDIT: Its on public now

  12. Post #12
    cyclohexanol's Avatar
    December 2013
    154 Posts
    I like it when people post shit like that here as if random players can somehow unban them.

  13. Post #13
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    Havolis's Avatar
    November 2012
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    Appeal the ban with valve. Maybe if you are lucky you will get unbanned.

    Most likely not.
    You can appeal for a VAC ban??
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  14. Post #14
    Scynix's Avatar
    January 2014
    154 Posts
    I like it when cheaters pretend like they weren't cheating.

    Because VAC has a notorious history of permabanning non-cheaters.
    I'm sure he didn't have anything injected. I'm sure he's just a friendly guy.

    Every single person I've seen who got banned in that wave were *notoriously* cheating.

    Try to appeal with steam. They almost never overturn bans though.
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  15. Post #15
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    ZestyLemons's Avatar
    September 2007
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    You can appeal for a VAC ban??
    You can try to, but you're not going to get unbanned.
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  16. Post #16
    yttrium's Avatar
    January 2014
    47 Posts
    I like it when cheaters pretend like they weren't cheating.


    (User was banned for this post ("image macro" - postal))
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  17. Post #17
    -snip-
    code_gs's Avatar
    March 2013
    11,479 Posts
    Blast to the past man.

  18. Post #18
    Memento audere semper- audaces fortuna iuvat.
    lapsus_'s Avatar
    February 2010
    8,407 Posts
    You can try to, but you're not going to get unbanned.
    wikipedia posted:
    Valve has "a zero-tolerance policy for cheating and will not lift VAC bans under any circumstances."

  19. Post #19
    Vendor's Avatar
    October 2013
    29 Posts
    We all got dc'ed all the time when just walking around randomly.But i guess ill just appeal then. Non of us cheated,we played on a very low pop server with its top being 10 people so we could just build and kill each other. there were maybe 2-3 people on the server we played on who werent us. two of which were admins.

    You get dc'ed when you speedhack, or super jump. It's a kick, and it's automatic. It can happen on accident if you get stuck in certain objects (like a rock). But since it happened "all the time", I have to assume you are a cheater.

  20. Post #20
    Huffing Jenkem Like There's No Tomorrow :^)
    jonnymad's Avatar
    January 2012
    5,762 Posts
    What's unclear about it? You cheated, you got banned. Should have thought about it before you wasted your money.

  21. Post #21
    Evil Joe's Avatar
    August 2005
    137 Posts
    There have actually been cases of legitimate players being VAC banned in Rust. When you are lagged out, if you hit F1, it will actually say "Facepunch kick speedhacks".

    Apparently, this is logged and may result in a VAC ban.

    As for VAC bans never being overturned, this is not the case. Here is an example of someone who was wrongly VAC banned on Rust who had it overturned:
    https://twitter.com/playrust/status/421253814860005376

    A lot of people will jump to the conclusion that a VAC ban means you were cheating by default, as if VAC is completely infallible. As you can see, this is not the case. Hack detection is a necessity, but it seems that whatever programming they have used to detect it in Rust is overzealous and results in false positives. Admins teleporting also used to result in a DC, with the console message also being "kicked for speedhacks".

    And before people jump all over me, my account is still in good standing (8 years without incident). I'm not defending hackers, simply stating that "you must have cheated so you got banned" is not necessarily the right attitude all of the time.
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  22. Post #22

    December 2013
    11 Posts
    There have actually been cases of legitimate players being VAC banned in Rust. When you are lagged out, if you hit F1, it will actually say "Facepunch kick speedhacks".

    Apparently, this is logged and may result in a VAC ban.

    As for VAC bans never being overturned, this is not the case. Here is an example of someone who was wrongly VAC banned on Rust who had it overturned:
    https://twitter.com/playrust/status/421253814860005376

    A lot of people will jump to the conclusion that a VAC ban means you were cheating by default, as if VAC is completely infallible. As you can see, this is not the case. Hack detection is a necessity, but it seems that whatever programming they have used to detect it in Rust is overzealous and results in false positives. Admins teleporting also used to result in a DC, with the console message also being "kicked for speedhacks".
    Ahem, Keemstar was actually caught hacking in Rust and other games on multiple occasions.
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  23. Post #23
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    Wyvyrias's Avatar
    January 2014
    1,623 Posts
    I still can't (and won't) believe that VAC does wrong bans.

    Off-Topic:
    Actually I wanted to ask if a VAC ban is legit because it's only mentioned on the loading screen, but not on the shop site. But we can strike this out because I just saw it's on the shop site now.
    When did they add the VAC on the site? With the last update? hehe

  24. Post #24
    Poor people are peasants
    Dennab
    October 2012
    1,401 Posts
    Because VAC has a notorious history of permabanning non-cheaters.
    In MW2 thousands of people got vac banned for no reason. So yes it could happen. However I haven't seen a vast number of people claim they aren't cheating.
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  25. Post #25
    Evil Joe's Avatar
    August 2005
    137 Posts
    Ahem, Keemstar was actually caught hacking in Rust and other games on multiple occasions.
    Any links to proof? The ban was, in fact, lifted, so...

    I still can't (and won't) believe that VAC does wrong bans.

    Off-Topic:
    Actually I wanted to ask if a VAC ban is legit because it's only mentioned on the loading screen, but not on the shop site. But we can strike this out because I just saw it's on the shop site now.
    When did they add the VAC on the site? With the last update? hehe
    There have been instances in the past where VAC has been wrong. For instance, they have lifted over 500 bans for MW2 due to complaints, and there was a HL1 mod that would, for some reason, trigger VAC to ban sourcegold on your account despite being a single player mod.
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  26. Post #26
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    Wyvyrias's Avatar
    January 2014
    1,623 Posts
    In MW2 thousands of people got vac banned for no reason. So yes it could happen. However I haven't seen a vast number of people claim they aren't cheating.
    Maybe they used any kind of mod?
    However personally I would never defend any CoD player. But sure it's not fair if a player with a normal client gets banned.
    And even if it's true what you said, why they play it then? I would never touch a game with a ban rate like this (I wouldn't touch CoD anyway but thats not the point :P ).

    Edit:

    There have been instances in the past where VAC has been wrong. For instance, they have lifted over 500 bans for MW2 due to complaints, and there was a HL1 mod that would, for some reason, trigger VAC to ban sourcegold on your account despite being a single player mod.
    What do you mean with complaints? But the people were able to proof their innocence?

  27. Post #27
    Scynix's Avatar
    January 2014
    154 Posts
    In MW2 thousands of people got vac banned for no reason. So yes it could happen. However I haven't seen a vast number of people claim they aren't cheating.
    I promise. More people cheat than you can even comprehend. I work at a collocation facility that hosts several "Tripple A" titles, and you have no concept for how many auto logged, repeated violations of game physics we see. You have *no idea*. One of the games silently captures a screen shot at random intervals and stores it for review. ESP is so common it borders on completely unbelievable. If not ESP, than model replacement/"hacking" is easily #2.

    If I had to guess, more than 70% of the player base in WarZ was ESP'ing at one point.

    Though, I firmly believe a large number of people who would never cheat, play games they enjoy and become so frustrated with the people who cheat to ruin the game that they end up trying to one up the cheaters just to protect themselves.

    I wouldn't do it, but I don't think I could ever blame them. If you're trying really hard to play legitimately, and you're continuously obliterated by people who refuse.... well I'm sure a lot of people can't just "zen garden" it out of their minds.

  28. Post #28
    Poor people are peasants
    Dennab
    October 2012
    1,401 Posts
    Maybe they used any kind of mod?
    However personally I would never defend any CoD player. But sure it's not fair if a player with a normal client gets banned.
    And even if it's true what you said, why they play it then? I would never touch a game with a ban rate like this (I wouldn't touch CoD anyway but thats not the point :P ).
    You can't hate on CoD if you play Rust.

  29. Post #29
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    Wyvyrias's Avatar
    January 2014
    1,623 Posts
    You can't hate on CoD if you play Rust.
    What? Why?
    CoD and Rust are 2 different worlds.

  30. Post #30
    Poor people are peasants
    Dennab
    October 2012
    1,401 Posts
    What? Why?
    CoD and Rust are 2 different worlds.
    They're both shit
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  31. Post #31

    September 2013
    615 Posts
    So as of two days ago me and 5 of my 8 friends have been VAC banned. We've been playing on mainly one Multiplay server.After about 3-4 days of building we were doing quite well,we had a small house hidden on the back side a mountain and only got raided twice(no clippers assume since we hadnt lost any metal doors) which wasnt a big deal. As we played a lot of us had common glitches occurring,Glitching back to where i just was,or walking into an invisible wall and getting stuck, or more common just going up hill then all the sudden falling threw the map to our deaths.We understand its an alpha but after that latest patch i got stuck on the corner of a tree and then my screen spazed and i was vac banned. Similar case for my 5 other friends. one was at the crafting table and fell threw the floor and then was DC'ed and Vac banned.

    I've also had two friends from my steam list who i dont play with that much complain that they got banned after an admin tp'd them to him. Will anything be done or do each one of us have to appeal to VAC for this?
    its not a vac ban its sever ban go play on another server
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  32. Post #32
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    Wyvyrias's Avatar
    January 2014
    1,623 Posts
    They're both shit
    I didn't expect that you would say this about Rust. huh
    But everyone has his own preferences.

    b2t: Do anyone know a legit statistic about VAC and it bans?

    Edit:
    @Unemphatic
    Thats his SteamID (he said)
    http://steamcommunity.com/profiles/76561198019441239
    So it seems he got VAC banned.
    But you're right. There are also people who think they got a VAC ban although it was only for one server.

  33. Post #33
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  34. Post #34

    January 2014
    2 Posts
    I'm thinking there's a lot of people who modified their files to clip through doors VAC banned, and these people thought since they didn't use a program to do it they weren't "full blown hacking". Good riddance I say.

    I've been recording the steam profiles and ID's of suspected script kiddies on my server to pass on to the admin to help out, and looking through them today at least 70% of them have been VAC banned in the latest wave.
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  35. Post #35
    cyclohexanol's Avatar
    December 2013
    154 Posts
    There have actually been cases of legitimate players being VAC banned in Rust. When you are lagged out, if you hit F1, it will actually say "Facepunch kick speedhacks".

    Apparently, this is logged and may result in a VAC ban.

    As for VAC bans never being overturned, this is not the case. Here is an example of someone who was wrongly VAC banned on Rust who had it overturned:
    https://twitter.com/playrust/status/421253814860005376

    A lot of people will jump to the conclusion that a VAC ban means you were cheating by default, as if VAC is completely infallible. As you can see, this is not the case. Hack detection is a necessity, but it seems that whatever programming they have used to detect it in Rust is overzealous and results in false positives. Admins teleporting also used to result in a DC, with the console message also being "kicked for speedhacks".

    And before people jump all over me, my account is still in good standing (8 years without incident). I'm not defending hackers, simply stating that "you must have cheated so you got banned" is not necessarily the right attitude all of the time.
    Oh god, now that you posted this everyone is going to be spamming @playrust on twitter trying to get unbanned. Especially the hackers.

  36. Post #36

    January 2014
    41 Posts
    VAC can't have false bans?

    Puhleaseee.. Go read about punkbuster, way more focused on anticheats and even they have had false bans - see Nov 2013 for battlefield 4. To say false bans isn't possible is ignorant at best.
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  37. Post #37

    December 2013
    157 Posts
    Im not one to defend hackers, but a large amount of hackers at least have some intelligence when it comes to hacking, like say, making a new account for every game. i noticed this OP has 125 games, is level 8 on steam, has over a hundred friends, and has thousands of playtime hours, now why would he ruin that?
    With the amount of false positives from vac over the years, it is honestly so hard to believe that not every ban is legit... its an automated program, regardless of what its designed to do its not perfect.

    i personally just dont think someone would be dumb enough to do that. but ill probably be wrong, and he probably hacked.

  38. Post #38
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    Wyvyrias's Avatar
    January 2014
    1,623 Posts
    VAC can't have false bans?

    Puhleaseee.. Go read about punkbuster, way more focused on anticheats and even they have had false bans - see Nov 2013 for battlefield 4. To say false bans isn't possible is ignorant at best.
    VAC isn't Punkbuster, Valve isn't EA.
    You can't compare a great company like Valve with EA.

    Edit: Ok Punkbuster isn't made by EA, it's made by Even Balance. But still, EA is using it the most. :P
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  39. Post #39
    lolo's Avatar
    February 2010
    2,051 Posts
    VAC can't have false bans?

    Puhleaseee.. Go read about punkbuster, way more focused on anticheats and even they have had false bans - see Nov 2013 for battlefield 4. To say false bans isn't possible is ignorant at best.
    Don't compare a anti-cheat that detected itself with a anti-cheat that has very little history on False positives.

    Valve will go out of their way to unban anyone falsely banned, and fix any serious issues on the double.

    If this guy REALLY wants to be unbanned, then he needs to talk to Valve, and even then they probably won't even unban him since there are a ton of hackers riddling rust right now anyway.

    IF it really is a False-positive then only the developers would be at fault, and almost every single user on rust would be banned (Which didn't happen)
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  40. Post #40
    Stay Rusty
    postal's Avatar
    April 2005
    13,125 Posts
    There have actually been cases of legitimate players being VAC banned in Rust. When you are lagged out, if you hit F1, it will actually say "Facepunch kick speedhacks".

    Apparently, this is logged and may result in a VAC ban.
    That's not how vac works.

    Any links to proof? The ban was, in fact, lifted, so...
    no it wasn't lol. You guys gotta quit saying this. If you look just a bit further on in the twitter feed you'll see them reply to another guy and say that keem's ban wasn't a false positive.

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