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Post #41Well looks like they killed duping tonight, so we'll see if it makes a difference. I have my doubts
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Source?
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Couldn't agree more with your post. It is interesting to see who rated your post as dumb, but not surprising. The game is broken as it is, period. Yes, it's Alpha, I know and that's what people keep falling back to and call you a n00b and you should stop complaining. This game has GREAT potential, but right now it's up the creek without a paddle.
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Think he's talking about VAC?
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If you're gonna remove the C4's stackability at least make a more powerful bomb option or the C4 itself more powerful.
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Was duping ever something that VAC could catch? I always thought it was more of an exploit than a hack.
Then again I'm not sure how it's done so I'm probably wrong lol.
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Currently (cheats not included as they break every balance in every game and are not planned for any balanced game) Rust tends to be very easy on the builder side, and makes it insanely hard for any raiders to get into properly built places.
You need over 40 C4 just to get to the third floor of a well built 5x5 wooden house with metal doors, let alone a metal house, not sure what you are doing, but youre doing something wrong.
1) Shoot raiders from the top of your building, that way you can just respawn, pick up your stuff again from your corpse and keep shooting them, even if you die.
2) Use doors to your advantage, a wooden wall has resistance to 1 C4, a metal door though has resistance to at least 2 and normally 3 if it is new or well kept.
3) Build more walls and doors if you notice they still get through. A wooden wall costs you some pillars some foundations and a wall. If you show any serious efforts you can easily make 5 or 6 floors of a 5x5 building with metal doors with a group of 3 or 4 dedicated players in a few hours.
Every wall that you place, even a wooden wall take the attacker 1 C4 every single time they raid you. If you have 3 thats nearly nothing, if you have 50 with stairways well placed inside your complex that makes it ridiculously hard/expensive to get through very very quickly. 1C4 can probably be farmed in 10-15 minutes with normal means, multiply that by 50 and compare it with the time it takes to replace 50 walls and you will notice the huge time difference that is to the builders advantage.
Building takes time to setup, but once you have it properly set up its very easy and cost effective to maintain. Same for metal parts. They offer an insane amount of protection (1 wall holds 7 C4) for a very reasonable price. Just takes a while to research all the parts.
I agree with some of the posters who wrote that it's likely due to the C4 inflated economy because of duping/hacking. As for the vanilla game, builders have an easy time staying safe, which is imo really good, because it's dangerous enough as soon as you step outside your door.
Oh and as for post raid griefing, from the ownership thing on Trello I expect this to be an issue of the past soon, or at least hope so.
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Come on !! Open your eyes ! for 10$ people have all they want !!
http://www.mpgh.net/forum/740-rust-hacks-cheats/ (LOL)
http://www.artificialaiming.net/foru...-dupe-esp.html
http://www.unknowncheats.me/forum/tags/rust.html
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Nice solid ideas for defending a base. I'm sick of just rebuilding a simple house and I would just know that it will get raided,.
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I never said that hacks didn't exist.
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kill the c4 and add big slage hammer's 30 blows for a metal door and let it make a hell of a noice :)
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Most doors only take 2 c4. With 40 c4 you're talking about taking down about 20 doors. Do you have any idea how much of a pain in the ass it is to open and close 20 doors every time you want to grab something from your stash? The idea of just building more doors is crazy! 40 c4 is crazy too though.
And that's assuming you built your base perfectly so they can't just circumvent the doors entirely to get up to higher levels or deeper into your base by taking a wall down.
Also... hard to shoot from top of your base when they are in it with a count of 5. by the time you hear the ticking and grab your gear, they're inside your walls. Assuming of course that they didn't kill you already while you were outside farming trees
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They already know where your base is so it doesn't matter how concealed it is. It's time to move, dude.
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especially since nearly all of the more modern weapons will be replaced in the future as the game progresses in development. almost everything in game at the moment is placeholder in some way.
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They need to add heavy duty walls and doors. Perhaps ones that are resource intensive but can withstand 5 c4. Balance will be the key but that can be figured out.
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Yeah, it's a frustrating game sometimes. The no lives who play 24/7 because they don't have a job or have nothing else better to do will succeed in this game. I got raided today, 3 of them vs me, i notice they are on the server all day, pretty much every day. My friends are all either sleeping or at work. I mean, a game where going to sleep or not playing all day will make you lose hours of work is pretty annoying. But i'm getting used to it. At this point, my clan and I raid everyone before they get too big for us to handle.
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I know its alpha and so far this game has been great for me and my friends. We have been raided and it sucked since most of us were offline or away at the time it happen. One thing to help adjust the balance for raiding though...
In the spirit of this being a survival game where you scavenge and build everything replace C4 with a less stable explosive like dynamite. Then give dynamite a chance to work properly when placed 33%. A chance to fail when placed 33%. And a final chance to blow up in the user's hands when placed killing him/her instantly 33%.
Adjust the percentages as you like. Again, its alpha and I know the balance will be adjusted. I just think this would be a fun quirk and not only levels the playing field but fits perfectly with the theme of the game.
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I like many others do agree that c4 duping is the issue not that c4 is unbalanced.
I can craft everything needed for it and I can say its a pretty good chunk of resources while raiding does provide quite a bit c4 is still very hard to make (not like 1 or 2 c4 im talking to blow up all the doors in a base which in most well constructed bases is like 5-15)
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Just saw that the last thing I listed is going into the next update and combo locks are currently in development on trello sweeeet! (Plus no-clip and loot through walls hacks fixes on the horizon!)
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