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Post #41OMG wow this thread is full of idiots.
Gak isnt talking about the Ban... he doesnt care about the ban.. He is asking why admins have the ability to Cheat.
Sorry but i doubt that godmode and a super weapon are a necessity for being an admin?
I cant think of one good reason why an admin would need godmode other than to cheat??
Gak was not disputing that an admin who pays for a server is entitled to Ban/Abuse and do whatever he see's fit... However why should the admin be allowed to cheat?? Doesnt that just make the game null and void? Lets all go rent servers so we can legally cheat at the game without fear of ban/VAC....
At the current state Admins will abuse this Tool/Power and therefore they will lose players once they find out that the admin is the biggest cheat in the game. So why not simply take out these features (as they aren't needed for admining) and then eliminate the problem of admin cheating abuse ( not to be mistaken for admin banning abuse)
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It's kind of simple. If you run around actually doing stuff admins sometimes have to do, like helping out players getting stuck, getting rid of offensive players, etc. etc. etc. etc. whatever that might not have anything to do with normal gameplay, then its very justified that they go into god mode, teleport around and whatnot. It would be rather silly that an admin cannot play normally just because everytime he/she wants to track down someone to help and is getting shot because of some moron that their own gameplay suffers. Sometimes without those things not only would their own gameplay suffer but they wouldn't even be able to help out in the first place, like with stuck players.
Thats more than enough justification of why these tools are even in the game and at the admins command. Thats the point of an admin after all. That many people abuse these tools is a totally different story, but as with every tool, they can be both used for good and wisely and they can be abused. Don't blame the tools for how they are being used.
On top of that as for entitlement: An admin can at any time with or without stating a reason, ban you, remove you from their server or not let you play on their server at all. Its their server and they make the rules after all. If they want to have all the players hop around weirdly all the time and otherwise they ban you, its their decision. As much as its your decision to decide on what server you want to play on. They can also as the owners at any time shut down their servers with or without prior notice. They pay for the server, so its their decision. If they wouldn't pay for the server you wouldn't have the option of playing there.
Its the same as with an apartment. If someone opens up their apartment for a party, you don't have to join, and perhaps its a nice party if you do join, but perhaps the owner is a douche, then he is still the owner and can throw you out of his apartment at any time.
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@Rynea
Maybe if there was an identifier hovering above them. Identifying them as an admin when they are using any of these powers. Just like police in real life, they have the uniform so that you know who they are. This would keep you from wasting your time trying to shoot them and keep the admins free of distraction when they are trying to do work. Once they turn the admin features off the identifier can go away and they can play the game normally.
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xuereb, thats surely a nice feature, but you have to realize this is alpha, nice little icons above someone's head surely has no priority over rather necessary features like for example the option of setting a server password, so people can actually make private servers just to give one of many many things that would be kinda important compared to commodities like that.
The things mentioned by the topic starter are rarely an issue on servers with decent admins. They normally will tell you that they are in admin status and kindly ask you to leave them alone because they are busy with xyz and then leave you alone to continue your play.
Get to know your server staff and owner before you invest hours without end of your time if you want to be on the save side. If you like them continue playing, if you dislike them look for another server. This also helps to explain the ideas of the owner what the server should be about and what are the general rules, that way you don't have any unnecessary surprises later on. While it surely has its merits to clearly see who is admin and when they have god mode on it won't really help with abuse and as already mentioned, while understandably irritating to have people abusing things, not having these tools would be even worse and just make it harder for all decent server admins.
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NO, NO, NO, NO, and if you're still thinking about it F**k No!
If you want a server with no admin abuse, you should try mine or the myriad of other servers out there. (net.connect 23.239.109.130:28115)
I have used these "Cheats/Hacks" as you call them to try to make the game a little more interesting. I never raid with these things running or even get involved in other conflicts while in admin status. This Game has amazing potential, and I strongly encourage you to come join a server that is fun and well managed.
There will always be people that abuse things; but don't think for a moment that taking away tools from the good will stop the bad. (this is the heart of all gun ban debates)
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Are you talking about gun regulation in USA? If so your an idiot lol
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There is currently loads of admin abuse, I have had to leave at least 3 servers because admins got annoyed we shot at them or something of the sort. People say play community servers, but I don't really enjoy the tiny map with 200 players and without admins there is nobody to address the hacking problem. Sadly at the moment with the huge over population of community severs the only reasons someone would feel the need to rent another server is for the power that comes with it, and they are given too much power. That said people here are right, they pay for the privilege to troll so its really up to them, I don't expect admin abusers will have a populated server for too long, it up to you to move on and find a server you can rely on.
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I think the issue (for me) is a complete lack of transparency on the part of the admins. I can't tell if an admin is godmoding, teleporting, or other nonsense. I have no way of telling if [No Admin Abuse] in a server name is actually legit.
Also, logging on the admin side is woefully insufficient. For instance, our 12-person gang managed to put together a tower-city over the course of 3 days. We then (after 8 hours of work between the 12 of us) raided a number of houses, one of which happened to be the "admin house" of this "fair" server. We're then accused of duping and banned under false pretenses.
Can't play official -- no way to block aimbots/hackers/noclippers, and cheating (in my experience) is rampant. But a community/modded servers turn into admin witch hunts as soon as one team begins to exert dominance and/or destroy the unmarked admin house. I paid for a server, and actually got DDOS'ed before the major DDOS'ing of the master list, while HFB offers zero in the way of mitigation (w/o an extra $50 a month). Can't do my own systems administration because server files. And given that we've only played on servers that claim "no admin abuse," I'm not inclined to trust the multitude of advertisements in this post either. Of course, we'll keep trying, but:
"Winning" the game has become "how fast can we get banned from this server by playing legit?"
I really don't think that's working as intended. And despite a server owner having the right to do things, it would make it easier to make decisions as a player with more information and more difficult for admin to use a blanket claim of "hax0rs!" to get rid of people who c4'd their walls.
Makes sense that an admin might need these powers. But even a message "X kicked Y from server" would be going a long way.
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I actually have to agree with Gak on this topic, why does (should) owning the server give you the permission to cheat?
Isn't that similiar to somebody saying; this is my car (and license), I can do whatever I want with it, I don't care about you, I won't stop for pedestriants!
Or even; why do I have to pull over (or evade) that noisy thing with blue lights flashing behind me? I have the same right to be on this road as him, right?
Dunno if that made sense, but well... my opinion still stands; in my eyes it's wrong, and doesn't make sense really. In the end; I agree with Gak on this.
Just wanted to back you up really, u're not alone! =)
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Admins are supposed to be overpowered, so they can control everyone else and enforce rules. If an admin is abusing report him to the head admin, If nothing is done go to a different server with non abusive admins
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It's not as if they could prevent people using admin powers anyways, even if they should remove the tools (which wouldn't make any sense to me) people will just add them on their own again.
Without admin tools servers are unmanageable.
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Owning a car is different from owning a game on a server. It would be like having a internet cafe and saying to people you are not allowed to go on a certain site and then going on that site your self.
Not the best thing to compare it to because owning a game and a server is different from anything else.
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Like I've said. No abuse.
[NJP][Chicago] SBR [pvp/sleepers/half craft time]
net.connect 208.117.11.43:28095
Mumble: 63.143.46.202:64778
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I am currently the manager of the first Spanish-speaking community, we are around 700 users and I honestly I haven't time to play on my own server, why?. Because I'm the manager and my job is to manage and give quality to my server, and that takes a lot of time if you really care about each player.
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Are you making enough money to keep the server up and have a decent amount left over? if not, don't call it a job.
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You're absolutely right, call it: responsibility
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It's just an analogy dude. Chill out.
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there is no other answer than to avoid community servers
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Because it is his server?.
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i've Admined a DayZ server and no you cant get Godmode but you can spawn Fighter Jets and Attack Heli's even fully loaded tanks anywhere any time with a click of a button and move people instantly out into the middle of the ocean.
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I have my own server and I have a few admins. But I set some rules about these admin "tools". And all admin play legit. They gather and build just like everybody else. The only time we use admin tools is when we´re stalking a possible hacker.
My point is. Not every server has abusing admins. Find the right one.
You´re welcome to join mine.
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its like the darkRP all over again
"this server is abusing admin"
"guys come to my server its better"
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Does your server have rp_downtown?
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no that map is bad i only use gm_atomic because i love fallout 3
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I had my first experience with admin abuse in Rust while playing over Christmas with my brother. In which the admin accused us of shooting him however we had only just logged in. He blew up 25 metal doors and came into our house with a bolt action rifle with god mode, my bro fired about 10 m4 rounds into his head and then killed us and didn't loot anything just leaving our house wide open.
My Brother called him out on his bullshit and was banned from the server. After he was banned I didn't really want to play on the server anymore so I gave all our stuff away to other players and left.
From this experience I think admin Godmode should be limited so either they can't use weapons and items or weapons do not damage other players whilst using god mode.
PS The Server was [EU] Newbfriendly | Just wiped and the Admins Name was Admin Dennos.
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or dont play on servers that abuse admin that works too
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Okay whats your suggestions for avoiding servers with admin abuse?
And please don't say play official servers as I don't enjoy the rock melee of 100+ player servers
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I disagree. The official servers are filled with hackers who have aimbot, x-ray vision, loot through walls, and item duplication which is almost the same as admin abuse. The difference is that one official server may have 20-30 hackers and private servers usually only have 1 or 2 admin
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Guys if you don't like a server, leave it.
You can go to Official servers too.
Rent your own server
That's all you can basically do, only Garry and his team has near full control of what people can do, tough luck.
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well tough tits, if you want to play on a modified server then you can deal with possible admin abuse, as they are free to modify the server in any way they see fit
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I totally get that it's frustrating that there are admins who abuse their power, but with something like ~2000 community servers there are plenty with admins that do not abuse these powers.
In my server, I have godmode on all the time. I also have invisible armor so that just my head is visible... which is a rather clear indicator that I am the admin.
I need to have these tools available to me because I like to host events in my server such as arena deathmatches. I have to be able to teleport people to me, spawn items for them, and kill them in one hit if they try to run with the spawned items (no one gets out of the arena alive!).
It sucks to hear but it is true, if you don't like the admin(s) in the server that you're on, you should probably find a new one. I guarantee you'll find one that is abuse-free without trying too hard.
In fact, you could just hop into a server and ask in chat if other people have had issues. It should give you a pretty clear idea of how the server is managed.
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Admins need more powers that relate to spectating players and stopping hackers. I feel the spawning in of items is almost useless for server moderation and is mostly just abused.
However the invisible armor is a "step" in the right direction.. but a lazy step. Admins should be allowed to noclip, increase speed and spectate from a players Point Of View. Right now admins are only given the tools that allow them to abuse the server..
If Someone is hacking in my server and I want to verify that he is indeed using a aimbot or wall hacking.. my tools to watch this player are VERY limited without his knowledge..
The only thing I can do as an admin is spawn in guns for myself and make airdrops happen.. I can't actually be a good admin.
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As I said in my post I spawn in items for events and prizes for said events. However you're correct, it tends to be used in an abusive way.
Other than that, I absolutely agree, admins need more tools suited to spectating... of course noclip and quick speed would get abused as well, but I don't think anything is ever quite going to end admin abuse.
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Ya know, while it might be in their right to ban whom ever because it's their server, you wouldn't want to ban for stupid reasons or when ever at your decision. That will instantly drive away players from your server and not make the money worth-while. What's the point of owning a 200 person server if it's just going to be empty all the time because some ruthless admins decided to ban anyone for any reason they like that isn't justified.
Just because it's in their right, doesn't exactly make them justified to do things. Especially when it comes to attracting and maintaining active players.
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I could see an admin in your position holding those kind of events could use those tools but the thing is any admin on any server could use them to their advantage. and the official servers...well Australia only has one and it is hosted in Singapore and most people from Australia get kicked for high ping.
We have our own server so that isn't the issue, The issue is the rampant use of god mode and the uber weapons then when they get called out on it they just ban the person who is onto them. I get that they need to be able to catch hackers and that sort of thing but maybe a chase cam for the admin might work better rather than have them run around with god mode and stuff.
I realize that these servers wont be able to keep a player base as once people find out what is going on they will just leave.
For now i will play only on the server that my mates run.
Flame on
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Would be nice if servers with admin cheats enabled are listed in a separate list similar to 'Modded' etc.
This way you could choose to join or not, but then of course those servers would be totally empty. :)
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It's kinda under the purview of "Community Server".
A Modded server is for a server that is actually had it's core rules changed.
No disrespect but if you don't like the possibility of admin abuse, go live with the hackers on the "Official Servers"
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