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Post #41you need to not worry too much about the trolls they will pipe up and then disappear when you ask them to provide you with what they think should be on there because they dont know in truth.
unfortunately however people like to complain and no matter how much understanding you throw at them they will always find something to moan about or be unhelpful.
good post and good way of putting things without confusing the hell outa everyone with babble noone really understands.
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I would like you to prove the last part of this sentence.
I agree with most of the sentence, but I am more or less sure that troubleshooting server connectivity is not part of "our testing", the people who have bought the game. Maybe there are some exceptional cases which could go under troubleshooting server connectivity. Again, I am more or less sure that architecture library exploit being abused by "DDOS'er" does not go under any alpha game testing or troubleshooting.
Game bugs and servers being really bad are two different things, same as alpha and beta stage of the product.
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To be completely and totally honest, I do not feel that Zigglegarf was attempting to troll. He was in fact providing plenty of information, but I think his method of delivery could have changed, and he could have ceased after the post had been fixed. The reason the post did not change sooner was mostly the issue with my browser in which it refused to redirect me to the editing page. Happens.
And mainly it was a rant with the intent to educate people with what I knew, and furthermore stop all the rage towards Facepunch. Though it seems in the process a lot of rage and eyerolling was then directed at me.
And I edited it so it was a lot more clear and a lot less clutter, which probably helped.
A lot of game developers use the Alpha stage to process server connectivity by offering Alpha keys. My professor said something along the lines of "Alphas are also a great way to troubleshoot server connectivity for multiplayer or online games. -Yadda yadda yadda- If the people are able to connect, they can fix any minor connectivity bugs, -yadda yadda yadda- mend firewalls, -yadda yadda yadda-" I think it kind of falls under "Mending firewalls" when it comes to testing server connectivity.
Simply put, it's a way of opening up the game prior to the release, and ensure that things like the uLink exploit don't happen during the release. Thankfully it happened now, during the alpha, so they can fix it now, defend against it now, and hopefully prevent it later on.
In fact it's not a DDoS thing, it's an exploit in the third party itself. Again, something to troubleshoot. Though at the time people were still complaining about DDoS "hackers" and thus I decided to keep the information available.
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Where can i get my spiky bat and we can do it together :P
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We didn't choose the thug life. The thug life chose us. By providing us with people to smack with spikey bats. <3
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This is going to be my first post here but I want to add my 2 cents to it.
I just bought the game like half an hour ago, and I am well aware this is Early Access and an Alpha Build. I do not expect a finished game, I just would like to have some fun and hope this isn't going to be a KOS-fest.
Every bug I encounter will be reported and every function in this game will be tested to its full extend.
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Here goes the attention seeking. "Look at me, teenage boys, I'm a girl!"
Also, your example is terrible, you don't understand what "hacking" means nor what DDoS actually means, nor any of the other stuff you went into.
Please, just leave now. You're making me frown.
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Oh. Turns out I did say "I'm a she." Mostly because I hate being called a guy. It's kind of a pride thing. And plus, it's much more fun to screw with people when they know your gender. (And people seem to have fun imagining we don't exist.) I also would like to say I'm not attention seeking. I'm pretty sure if I was attention seeking, I'd be much more creative about it. Like posting it in forums with a header saying "HEY GUYS, I'VE GOT BREASTS!" instead of "What "alpha" and "DDOS Means"
I do in fact know what hacking means, what DDoS means, and what an Alpha stage is, mostly because I'm studying to be a game developer and have a decent grasp on most subjects.
Hacking: To cut with rough or heavy blows.
Hacking (Technical): Accessing unauthorized data within a computer system.
DDoS: Distributed Denial of Service
DDoS Attack: Multiple sources flooding a single server/network with packets of information with intent to render the server unavailable.
Please let me know if you need any more information.
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wait what, are 12 year old kids "monkeys" or "dumb" ? why ? you wher ea 12 year old to. why do people always laugh at younger people in game. thats just retarted.
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And this post proves my point. When I was 12, I did stupid stuff too, and I was told the exact same things. Only problem is, when I was 12, I could at least spell "were" correctly. Oh. And I had a dog to walk back then too.
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Thanks for clearing this up for the illiterates, OP.
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@BlackScienceM either provide alternative information explaining what you think is wrong, or please refrain from making such posts in the future.
Yes the explanation of DDoS is high-level and somewhat incorrect. however using the example of a power station that get overloaded because too many people are trying to draw power, is a very good way to explain a DDoS it doesn't explain its perfectly, but for the lame person its ample.
@MorbidWolfess id just recommend rewording a few things if you have time, otherwise nice thread and its informative enough for most people.
ill add one extra point; hacking in terms of computers (hardware/software) is not to gain unauthorised access, it originally root meaning is to put something together quickly, to hack together a piece of code to test. these days to hacking is to hack at software either to find exploits, flaws, bugs, or simply remove features you don't wish to exist which just so happens to be mostly removing DRM these days.
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I love how you can have a person that's just genuinely trying to help and still get moronic bulldogs to bark bark at them just because "hurr i no dis betr dan uuu bark bark".
Open a dictionary, learn the word 'analogy', and shut up.
Kudos etc. etc.MorbidWolfess posted:
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stop post
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If one post proves your point, then I would like to suggest that your opinion is biased thus it also give a "loophole" to your 1st post and most important statement.
Because of this, it also makes me doubt if your previous "proof" involving professors explanation about alpha is really true which also means every statement made by you might be viewed as biased.
Just so you know, I am 2nd year student in informatics, working as system developer/manager.
Please elaborate your self MorbidWolfess.
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Well, for right now, I've been in mostly Game Art and Design classes heading towards a bachelors, which was my original degree intent. As the program opened up there was classes more for a degree in Game Development and Level Design. I took a couple of them, including a couple of basic/starter classes. Right now I'm in three art classes for this current semester, next semester I will be delving more into the Game Development and Level Design courses. ^_^
And yes. I am biased against people who can't spell. You caught me! :D
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Come on guys, she's just trying to help, honestly.
I honestly liked the post, and even though I spend alot of time gaming I don't usually go waste time and check what all those technicalities mean. I know what the acronyms mean but not in the actual "what it means" sense, so you helped me alot. And all these people going "durr hurr, i knw dis bettur", she's just trying to help "the simple people" with the analogies.
Tl;dr enough shit posts.
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You're right, boobs yay!
Great OP I enjoyed it.
Thank you!
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I'm just going to leave this here:
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The invalid data in a DoS can cause the server to crash or slow down.
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Very useful. Thank you. I thought DDoS was more like it attacked a more public server. I'll update my post.I'm just going to leave this here:
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Also note that it doesn't have to be an infected computer of any sort. Example: Anonymous and LOIC.I'm just going to leave this here:
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+10 Faith in Humanity
Thanks for your input and knowledge. Huggies.
But, I am curious, and it may seem like a stupid question, but is it possible for "Zombies" to be our computers? Or would you know if your computer is a Zombie? :V
... Oh my god. The Zombie apocalypse is going to also be a robot apocalypse when Zombie Computers come to life.
I just figured out the end of the world.
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Obliviously some people don't excel in much in life and so being able to "sound technical" on a subject that is very easy to comprehend gives a sense of importance.
Your problem is that you're talking nonsense and your illustration is false. You can set up multiple virtual networks and have them run through a DSN, or you could likewise have a set of servers you use for your attacks. A botnet is completely irrelevant. You don't need multiple computers to do a DDoS attack, nor do you need to have "slaves" (as in a botnet).
Any child can run a simple script and do it - it's simple. The harder part is writing your own encrypted client that can use other remote networks to do the task, without there being a connection from your own network to the crime-committing networks.
And as far as I've heard it's some young French guys who did it. I wouldn't be surprised if these.. people.. feel a sense of intelligence when they are proclaimed "hackers" and when little kids threaten them. But obviously it's an immature, underdeveloped, child-like bunch that are doing this. There is no - or doesn't seem to be any - self-interest in doing this. The only "positive" outcome is a psychological feeling of superiority or wellbeing, but such can be induced merely by repeating a slogan.
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He's just trying to help. Since you're "smarter", why are you reading this? And if you're reading it, why not provide positive input that helps people (which was the point of this in the first place.)
I also feel "hacker" is an easy term to throw around, because it's pretty broad except for perfectionists who can't handle a generalized term for lifeless folk who try to ruin gaming for everyone else.
Oh. And if you've got a better illustration, please feel free to post it! Otherwise..
Please, just leave now. You're making me frown. ;D
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you not wrong, but you are kind of an asshole, the OP is giving his/her best explanation to people who have no idea what is going on, the ones who actually care about the details/difference already know what is going on and this isnt intended for them
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just change "infected computer" to a "slave PC", this covers botnets that are viral and those that are intentional
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There is also the reflection attack using improperly configured DNS servers, but i didn't want to go into full detail - i don't want to confuse the not-so tech savvy users in here (It's so hard to make this not sound offensive, lol)
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Again, i'm well aware of the other methods to execute a DDoS and i am just trying to keep it simple so everyone understands it, no need to get that worked up about it. The machines that say 'infected' can be indeed even servers that have been willingly bought and set up to execute the DDoS attack.
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I expanded the chart a bit and edited my old post.
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You're talking about a DoS, not a DDoS. DDoS needs several machines/mirrors/slaves/whatevers (there's many ways), it is in the name. That's why its a distributed DoS.
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Be offensive. We like offensive. It helps us see who has a sense of humor and who does not. I still appreciate the charts and hope people look this far into the comments to see them. If I may, at some point when I'm not drunk tired, I'd like to add them to the post itself.
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I don't know who you are. I don't know what you want, but call me maybe and i luv ya
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lol... badgers!
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Fun fact, people can still say an alpha is bad as long as they recognize its an alpha.
If its up for public consumption it's up for criticism.
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Meanwhile on "Garry" Springer...
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Then perhaps SUGGEST something instead of being a moronic ass who isn't contributing anything to the conversation.
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Give me your steam and I'll stalk you.
I can also offer my humble opinion on people who say an alpha is bad, and my opinion on the alpha itself, while also providing as much insight as possible to those who have no idea what they've gotten into.
I mean. I get it now that people will complain about what they want, and people don't actually care if it's an alpha, to them it's a game that they spent money on. And yeah. People can criticize all they want, but I can criticize the critics for their idiotic criticisms when they obviously knew what they were getting themselves into. <3
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I'm more or less talking about people that say its bad/good with what it currently has, then people get all mad with "its alpha" and "muh money well spent"
people that bitch about features will generally always be ignored by devs, because its a "what you need" not "what you want" scenario when it comes to development
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Yes. People seem to have the mindset of "It's what I want, not what anyone else wants." Like, some people love the game but would like to see more features for PvE too. Not saying they drop the entire PvP thing, because y'know. It's better for revenue and money making to appeal to only one color of the rainbow. I think they're doing fine as of right now, and probably doing what they can.
That... and... nobody tends to provide feedback, instead they complain about it. I made a few humble suggestions, but they were nothing extremely major in my opinion. And y'know. Suggestions are cool and nice, some Dev's are like "Oh hey that's an awesome idea", others are "Maaaan I know what I'm doooinnn get your noobcake ass outta here."
What I can't stand is people who are intolerant to things that the devs can't really actively control.
I mean. French guys crossing baguettes and trying to ruin the party seems pretty uncontrollable to me. Maybe it's the size of the baguettes, or their nasal laughter.
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Ask and you shall receive, sent to your inbox
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While your original post was somewhat misleading, it was for the most part correct. There's a few things you forgot to mention about DDoS but as it stands you covered the basics for the people who aren't exactly the brightest when it comes to understanding these issues.
From a technical perspective: You've said a lot wrong and pissed quite a few of the technical community off.
@BlackScienceM:
DDoS was originated from infected computers using master servers to botnet accounts. Please shut the fuck up and stop attacking her like she's the most ignorant person on the planet. She isn't Al Sharpton or Obama ffs.
Secondly: The picture left above explains perfectly how DDoS works. You have the attacker(s) and then you have a series of master servers who query the slave servers. The slave servers can be botnet accounts, infected computers, or slave machines running the software needed to send information to servers to be filtered out. When there's too many packets incoming, the server is rendered unresponsive because it's attempting to filter so many negligible packets containing no data that it sets the server on overload.
In this case we are aware it's a uLink problem, and therefore they're rendering it through different means. Case in point is that you made your statement, it was good for the most part, and you were correct in many ways.
It's funny how so many people are technical networking engineers all of a sudden when someone comes out and posts something for the general population of a forum and the amount of butthurt in them comes out.
Unless there's screenshots of your guys' degrees... you've got no proof to say your post is more valid than hers because of your googling for the limited amount of knowledge behind networking you do have.
That's all.
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OP,
Well done. Whether or not your explanation and analogies of a DDoS were correct or not, you've managed to divert the previously unmitigated torrents of extreme nerd rage flowing from the folks who think that Alpha means "finished game" from Garry to you, thus acting as a lightning rod.
However, I think what you really need to provide is a succinct example of what the word "empathy" means. After all, that is what you're asking everyone to have for the developers, right? Could you explain that to everyone so they understand what the real point of your post was?
Oh, wait...feelings...the internet...tech-nerds whose emotional intelligence has been sterilized due to years of burying their heads in hyper logic and impersonal machinery...
On second thought, keep being a lightning rod. +1!
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This thread is quite useless other then 2 post....it should just get deleted as it is more confusing then anything.
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