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Okay, a lot of people don't quite seem to understand how VAC works. Here's the relevant section of the Wikipedia article. To sum it up, VAC has only have one occasion where users were manually banned, and it was due to players using a very serious exploit that was leaked from Valve. There are, however, instances of false-positives, but if I recall correctly, a majority of the bans were lifted. (There isn't a lot of information about whether or not Valve lifted the bans on a lot of the Wikipedia page.)
I would also like to just note this part from the article:
TL;DR: Employees manually add every single VAC detected cheat, and there has only been one instance of manual VAC bans in the past, for a serious reason. There have been several false-positives, but most of the resulting bans were lifted.
So, if your "friend" told you they weren't actually hacking, and they received a VAC ban, there is an extremely small chance they aren't lying to you.
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If you cheat you should be banned from anything Steam full stop :). Be good kids and dont cheat!
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Wow, that sounds like a great way for Valve to make money!
/sarcasm
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Of course. They will need a new account and have to rebuy all their games :).
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We recently had some hackers on our server Aimbotting and Dupeing items and we had to manualy take care of the problem. I wont name or shame anyone but we looked up their Steam profile and they have a record of being banned.
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VAC banned people should lose all beta/alpha testing privileges on Steam. This should be made a rule as betas are rather common on Steam nowadays (eg. DOTA2 not long ago).
But this thread belongs on Valve forums, not here. I believe Facepunch can't do anything to prevent VAC banned people from playing.
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Exactly. Ban them from steam completely. No one likes a cheat. I guarantee they wont cheat again on their new account.
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Why? I don't see your reasoning behind this. For instance, If you get kicked out of a bar for being too drunk, you should never be allowed to go into any bar ever again? On top of that, you are never allowed to drink again?
Doesn't make any sense.
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Hmm, a little different dont you think? But where im from yes thats how it works, though not the drinking part :).
Sometimes you have to be harsh to prove a point. The same reason they should bring back the death sentence in England. You do the crime you pay the ultimate price.
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I bet no one will use steam either as well
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Ok this guy's clearly too young and ignorant to understand the world around him
move along guys
(except that the death sentence has led to tons of innocent people getting killed for nothing. lmao)
that's honestly a pretty sick example too
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I am trying to get the guys that run the server I play on to stop publicly giving out the IP address and do invite only based on application and review of their steam account.
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What the fuck?
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Care to explain instead of making accusations? You say im too ignorant then you say its a pretty sick example, surely that shows your too ignorant to understand the worlds not perfect and some things should be dealt with firmly as to not encourage it further.
If people decide not to use steam because they can get banned from cheating then they obviously intend to cheat, so its done its job :).
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you're literally using a jackhammer for a hammers job when you just immediately permaban 100% of all people who are vac banned
and I don't even feel like explaining why death sentence is bad and why it was fucked up to say that as an example.
and what an insane generalization, something tells me if you were a politic you'd support insane dystopian law.
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You say it as if to imply that people cannot change. That's really a bold accusation, by the way.
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I guess i shouldnt post this kind of thing on a forum full of babies. I apologise for hurting your innocent minds :).
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No one is being a baby, it was just a repulsive example...
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Its repulsive? Yet you as an American still have capital punishment in 37 states? The point is its un doable. The same as it should be on steam for cheating.
Im not saying its a catch all situation but capital punishment is only used for the worst of crimes, hence the example.
Its also quite ironic the ones complaining about my so called vulgar example are all Americans who seemingly condone the notion..
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You're comparing the death sentence to getting VAC banned.
Just think about it for a moment.
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If you spew everywhere and get kicked out of a bar then you should not be allowed into invite-only parties and exclusive bars (analogous to betas/alphas) where it's just too easy to spoil everyone's fun.
Betas/alphas are prone to hackers, always have been. That's why only people with clean records should be allowed in. Game goes out of testing phase THEN people with 'dirtier' records are allowed in.
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Its just a shame you completely missed the point :).
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Go on then, tell us what the point was...
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You didnt read all my posts did you? Read up... You guys a little touche? :o
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March 2010
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I don't think any of you know how VAC works at all.
VAC is a blacklist for the most part, but will also ban you if you use some really shitty hacks your code yourself. VAC isnt that stupid.
VAC is completely, 100%, automated. You CANNOT be VAC'd manually, and there has only been ONE CASE EVER of that happening. It was during the TF2 golden wrenches problem when someone predicted when the next drop would happen, and crafted it on time.
VAC has had mis-bans before, the mw2 false .dll (this was long ago, and ALL bans by that reason were uplifted). There has been 1-2 small cases of vac banning people because a virus injected into hl2.exe, but those were, also, uplifted and fixed.
VAC will, and CANNOT ban for server-side. "I was banned for hacked mw2 lobby!!!" isn't possible. This is server-sided. if you were the HOSTER then yes, it could've got you banned.
PS. Produno. Highly suggest you stop trolling before you get banned
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Seriously? Americans are vulgar now? I don't know what it is with you brits these days.
Like really, how did you even bring nationalism into this thread
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I know of at least 1 other case of somebody being VAC banned manually.
A guy I know was hacking in the closed alpha test of Global Offensive and was banned personally by Chet Faliszek. His account was initially outright suspended with all his games on it, but through email correspondence it was made a manual vac ban on all Valve games instead.
But yeah, he was caught in the act by somebody on the development team.
In the vast majority of cases (probably 99.99%) of all bans are automatic, and they don't respond to reports.
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Can I have a link to a source about this?
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op's probably not getting aimbotted at all, he's just huttburt that he's terrible and keeps dying.
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So everyone posts how young dumb and stupid i am (including yourself before you edited your post) for referencing capital punishment yet im the one trolling?
Maybe agree you dont understand the point i was making and stop flaming?
@bfg
Please read my posts properly before posting accusations.
Btw, my point is still valid. If someone cheats dont beat about the bush, just perma-ban them. Otherwise wheres the incentive not to cheat?
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Listen guys all he's saying is that if you cheat in a video game, you should know that you're risking your rights to play online in other video games.
And that's why the state should kill people.
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LOL yes thats exactly what i meant.... Theres some sarcasm in their somewhere...
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whats wrong with killing aholes who killed someones family or worse?
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:O dont post that! Yourl get flamed for being young dumb and a sicko. Though your not a Brit so i guess yourl be alreet heheh :).
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You people have gotten completely off topic. Arguing over who did what and who knows more about VAC. The OP's dilemna was answered, they get banned in waves and they shouldn't get screwed from all games just cause they cheated before. People who aren't dumb can learn from their mistakes. :D
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I am almost certain that the game is not VAC secured “YET” due to the fact that the game is 64bit only and VAC only supports 32bit. VAC should actually do something productive and fix their shit . The amount of stupidity produced by the VAC dev team is borderline retarded. VAC has been dishonest in the past TOS they have produced. They where banning people without proof in MW3, MW2 and many other based on other players reporting them. Which is not proof enough to kick someone from a game. VAC hasn't made any announcements on anything really. VAC's intermittent game memory scan is flawed a smart "Hacker" could easily avoid being caught. I think they need to actually step up a system that gets less false positives and set up something that actually works like punkbuster has. Where server admin have tools to demo players and pull screen shots and so on. Valve Anti Cheat is joke at this given time hopefully in the future they actually pull their heads out of each others asses and gets something actually working.
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VALVE Anti Cheat is created by Valve Software, they guys that brought you Half-Life, Steam, and GabeN. I am pretty sure they have their shit together quite well.
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I was referring to VAC side of things. They ban on assumption a lot of the time. there is proof of this. Like most of they games they secure if you accidently join a hacked lobby boom you're banned. Really now is that justifiable? No its not you have no control over what others do. Or being reported in ever FPS you play cause you're better than most of the pub's and being banned.
Punkbuster (PB) is better than Valve Anti-Cheat (VAC)? It's pretty simple. Punkbuster not only actively collects data on prior and current hacks. But they do active Mass Banning. Secondly, they are supported by 3rd Party communities like -ACI- Bans & PBBans.com. Giving them more strenght. These 3rd party communities also share their Knowledge Base & tools with Server Owners to help them protect their servers. When Utlitizing the Master Ban Index & Unofficial Master ban Index from PB in combination with the Master Ban Index & Unofficial Master Ban Index of both -ACI- Bans & PBBans.com; Server Owners gain the best protection possible from known hackers.
Also, let me throw up an example of what VAC did to a few friends on mine in MW2/MW3. Mind you I know them personally and have even played on their computers before and watched them play when our Pro team still existed. We where at a Lan center for our Yearly Meet n Frag. These friends of mine who have never cheated in their life were banned by VAC because they had simply joined a hacked lobby and then disconnect. Joining a Hacked Lobby does modify your game files even though you didn't do it intentionally. Well VAC did a MASS ban for MW2 & MW3. Players who had joined a hacked lobby were included in this ban and VAC didn't care. VAC will not remove your ban as they have a "Zero Tolerance" policy. Also, VAC didn't even really catch all of the players who were creating the "Hacked" lobbys. Because they were using a Dedi/Mod tool from the Mods list on Steam that ran completely separate from the game.
Punkbuster on the other hand has had a few bumps. But Unlike VAC; when they identify something as a False Positive they remove the ban. And for those numbskulls who say PB kicked me for some dumb reason. It's not dumb. It's usually very simple to fix. So instead they whine and complain that PB sucks. So when a player gets kicked from a server using PB they are given a reason. That Reason is the issue that needs to be fixed. Sometimes its the simple fix of running the pb.exe to manually update PB and the PB on the games you play. Or maybe your config file doesn't match the pure settings that the server is using. And if you are triggering an MD5tool kick well then you better not be lazy and really look into that one. Because an MD5tool is a bannable offense by PB.
Overall, this is why I have invested a decent amount of money into my PC. I always am recording all of my gameplay. Because people on the internet will say that you cheat before they admit that you are better than them.
By the way. Because I record all of my Gameplay. I have turned over a PBBans.com ban. I asked them which Server, time, day, month. and provided them the exact video that matched the server report.
for when the ban occured.
Oh and in recording all gameplay like many others i have never seen VAC overturn a ban.
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Jesus, did you not even fucking read the thread?
PLAYERS CANNOT BE BANNED FROM CALL OF DUTY BY JOINING A MODDED LOBBY, ONLY IF THEY ARE HOSTING IT THEMSELVES. IT IS ALL SERVERSIDED.
VAC does not ban on "assumption", what does that even mean?
Also punkbuster is god awful, sorry.
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