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Post #81Get rid of them asap.
View Poll Results: Do you want . . .
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private servers to be removed
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private servers to remain in the game
146 36.78%
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I dissagree, private servers are a part of the game. They might be boring, the game might died a bit, but you can't blame Private servers for doing this, mora than disabling them we might think about adding a new category where Official/Hosted servers are listed and where Non-Official/Private server are displayed too. But saying that the game is going down because of that and even saying that you cancelled your paymente because of that is just stupid. I understand people is not happy with some features, but remember that Garry and all the Facepunch staff say: "Your paying for a game full of bugs and not yet finished". Just wait, sit and see when it gets out.
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I was an early adopter of the 'cheap' hosting providers coming online. My month JUST ended a couple weeks ago. It will be interesting to see how many servers drop off the list over the next week or so as the month of service comes to an end and people don't want to pay for an empty server
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The environment does not pose much of a challenge in this game. The challenge comes from conflict created by contention for resources -- rocks, wood, animals, real estate, airdrops, rad zones. If you allow the population to spread too thin, this contention goes away.
The argument to me isn't should you allow private vs. public, it's how many should you allow total. My problem with how things were handled is, it's a lot easier to throttle up by adding servers to allow populations to settle into good numbers. By opening it up to so many providers and allowing so many servers, you've lost the opportunity to control populations.
This game is more MMO than FPS -- but the server quantity is like that used to support an FPS where at any given time, you want to allow 20 people to show up and have a 20 minute battle where nothing is persisted.
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lol
"PEOPLE AREN'T ALL FORCED TO BE PLAYING ON THE SAME FEW SERVERS AND I DON'T LIKE IT SO THEY NEED TO BE REMOVED"
Good luck getting very far in your protest.
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THIS is actually a very GOOD idea. Make the official servers only visible in game. Private servers on the forum. This would make sure only good private servers would survive too, due to commentating and servers would need their own website/plugin to show number of players currently playing.
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The challenge and long term playability of the game is dependent on resource contention, something that can only happen when servers are limited, with players being 'forced' onto a number of servers that keeps populations at a level that guarantees contention. This argument might be a little too nuanced for you.
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if this was true, all private server will be empty and the official ones will be like 500/500, and is not like that at all.
If the game is this kinda empty now, is because the dupe and wipe each week thing, people are waiting now till the game gets better to avoid start from zero again and again and again.
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So basically, everyone voting yes thinks that Garry should host official servers simply because they think its better that way. And so all those voting yes will be paying the monthly fee's associated with said servers?
Its not that hard for all you people complaining about it to join a high pop server and stay there. Have some dedication in your choice rather than hop around and whine about private servers. If people really wanted to be in 100+ population servers on the tiny map they'd join the fuller servers. However you also see a lot of servers with 1 person in it. Either its the server owner or a single person that doesn't want to die every 10mins.
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Do you even read what I'm saying? I'm not saying that there's too few people on all of the servers, I'm saying that multiple servers is the problem. The idea that you always have a fallback server is what ruins this game. You never get immersed on one server anymore.
From what I've seen, most people that are against this never experienced when there were only a few servers, so they really have no idea how much better it was.
It's a problem when 65% of the population thinks it's a problem.
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I prefer to play with friends, not a bunch of immature idiots and every time I have been on a public server there are always quite a few of those. Why should I be told how to enjoy my game because some of you think there are too few players on public servers?
Rather then force everyone to conform to your way of thinking, may I suggest you rent your own server and invite like minded individuals that feel server pops are too low?
Also if the amount of servers was the issue then games like Dayz would never have done so well, there are always servers with at least 30+ players and that game has been out for quite awhile. I think the reason we have a low pop on many public servers is not because of too many private servers, its because for whatever reason most players that own the game are not playing at this time!
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I'm noticing a lot of the people with horrible English are getting rated dumb, while when someone comes by with extreme formal perfect English they get like 15 agrees lol.
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I'm a little confused for the necessity of this reply?
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This has nothing to do with the population, if you read the posts, some people are for that, but the main problem is what has been discussed already. Reread the posts.
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Can we get a response from a dev?
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No, because its retarded to expect a game to be supported only by developers paying for servers. But clearly servers are free and fall from the sky.
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Right, because it's not like that has never happened before. You have to be kidding me right? They are more than capable of supporting it. This is only making them more money. If you can't think of at least 10 games that have no private servers you are not a gamer.
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I did read thank you very much!
Also I addressed your concern as well, and added a possible alternative reason other then the theory you are putting forth as to why people are spread too thin.
You and some others think that by removing private servers its going to make the game better since everyone will be limited to a few servers is this correct, or am I completly missing your point?
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I can think of more games that have private servers. The ones that are all company hosted have a cash shop, free to play, and hundreds of thousands of players to buy their cash shop stuff. How does them hosting servers make them more money? Did they patch in a cash shop when I wasn't looking? Is that how you get an m4 now?
So tell me, wheres all this extra money coming from?
And please enlighten everyone, what shooter has dev hosted servers?
Seems that way, because everybody that can't get started in a game are really going to keep playing instead of quitting until server population actually relates to map size.
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I'm yet to see an argument from you that says anything but "You're wrong, that's not how it is" with more aggression.
Still waiting for a real reason of why private servers ruin the game, beyond "Because private servers ruin the game."
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@thebacon
i actually can give u 1 valid argument. Most of them private servers i've played on got a cash shop.
example: super admin = 10$ / m4 full kevlar = 4$
cash shop would ruin this server, cause u actually dont have any chance as a fresh starter. ---> people get mad about this fact -> ragequiting the server -> looking for a official server without those cash shop users :)
welcome to the circle of private-cash-shop-shitty-servers
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sorry for my bad english ;)
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Ohh, you have seen one server with that, and then suddenly all private servers are doing it, Stupid is stupid.
There is lots of good private servers, stop zapping around all the servers, and stick to one, then you and your mates can create a server with the people you like to play with, if you still think it's a pita, some guy has admin rights, rent your own server and make a home for you and your mates, that way you are in charge.
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The thing now is the following.
There are only few populated server, and with populated I mean 50+ I would say that currently only Rust In Peace (French one) has more than 50 players.
That's understandable due to the incoming wipe but the main thing is not only that, the main thing is that a private server doesn't give you the confidence of fair admins so you cannot really enjoy the game.
As some many other people have said, now is really easy to build a base without any problem. I still remember when starting in the official UK server and having to hide to craft my first metal door. I still remember when I finished the metal door 2 times but couldn't use it because I died (the server had 100 players). I remember when you build your first metal door and feel safer than in your shelter. When you cook your first meal in the mountains to avoid getting scouted due to the campfire ... the game had (I repeat, had) a REAL feeling of survival game.
This has been lost some time ago. Only when a wipe appears and a server gets more than 50 players you can feel that feeling but is not very often. Even yesterday I was travelling around the server to find some players and just found a lot of empty houses. Big houses with no players, houses with open doors, I even found 1000 planks with 18 metal doors in one box.
I wouldn't delete the private server, I would just add some official servers because now YOU CAN'T play on a server with 100 players. You just can't cause there are not any servers like that (apart from the insecurity of having immature admins sometimes or admins helping his friends).
So is obvious that this need to be solved as for now rust is just a building PVP game with no survival elements.
That's my opinion.
Sorry for my English, not my mother tongue.
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It's definately not only one server ;)
No u? Why i should create my own server? Only cause of those random cash shop servers?
definately not :)
Private-Cash-Random-Shop-Super-Abuse-Admin-Kids-Server are destroying this game.
thats fact.
Just take one look at the Server list: official servers are mostly empty. And why? cause of dedicated servers like fr etc.
its all about admin advantages and 1000km metal towers. can't see any survival on this dedicated servers anymore. it all about cash shop and pvp.
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yep, that's exactly what i try to explain :) its cause of private servers.
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I see, most people like to play on private servers, and that you can't accept, so according your "logic" they should be forced to play with you on your terms.
The "official" servers are empty, you say. why don't you take your friends to those servers, stop wasting your time playing on those private servers you hate.
To me, it sounds more like you are buthurt over some people has fun on their own servers, get over it.
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nah, no buthurt.
Deal with it, my arguments are valid.
You are just swearing around. Beware: Tenager inc.
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I'm old enough to be your father, the ones who act like teens, are those who still whining about the private servers.
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You guys seem to believe simply having an official server is going to solve all the problems, then in the next breath you say there are few servers populated.
Has anyone considered that the majority of people actually playing right now don't want to be on a server with 100 people? Seems fairly obvious if they're sticking to 16 player servers or there abouts.
Or they just have more server loyalty and don't bother switching servers every 10mins to run into these pay for admin servers.
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Wow, you are more selfish than I thought. Those are your opinions, and not everyone shares them. Doesn't matter if I played it "back then" or not, I know for sure I would hate it if there was only a few servers.
I like the idea of me being able to fall back to another server at any time.
What you want is not to have some servers with a high population, you want to FORCE people to play the way you want them to for selfish reasons.
Just amazing. Good luck with that.
Yes cus the playerbase of Rust consist of 270 players.
But hey, the 179 people who vote yes, why don't you all go on the same server and stay there? If it's so much fun you wouldn't have to rely on falling back to another server since you are having fun, right?
And I doubt you 179 would be the only people playing that server so there would be enough players at least.
Nothing is stopping you from playing the way YOU want to, to have the "fun" you are talking about.
Stop caring about how other people play when it's not affecting you at all.
You people are the ones turning this into a problem when it's not. If 65% of a group of people tell you a lie, would you believe it just because 65% is agreeing to it?
Now this is not a lie per se, but you lot are trying to make it into a problem for selfish reasons, saying it's ruining the game when it's not.
I would be surprised if the devs actually removed private servers, but if they do, I sure as hell hope it's not because of reasons like in this thread.
I'm done here, good luck with this.
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I don't understand why you don't think it's an issue when the majority of people are believing it's an issue. Maybe you should look at yourself being the selfish one.
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Ok guys have fun staying on a private server with like 16 clan members.
rly can't imagine how boring this could be ;)
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w/e im out
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Just don't fall back on another server just pick a server with a good pop and stick with it. I've been playing the game when it was only one server too i still think its fun and nothing is wrong with it. In fact i think the game has improved majorly since when i first started playing. The good things that the officials had were a community and no admin abuse, i think the majority of people complaining about private servers are the people who miss there in-game rep / being internet famous.
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I don't feel this game really benefits from lots of private servers. The problem is that it really unevenly distributes the community. Too often you find completely empty servers, or servers with 2-3 people playing. I would much rather play with 50+ people than none. I say they REALLY limit the number of severs out there at very least until the game becomes more popular and can fill all those servers.
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Look at all of the servers that have been popular, then look at them now. There's still no good servers, and this game isn't fit for private servers.
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I still think you are conflating "too many vs. just right" and "official vs. private". If there were fewer private servers, the population wouldn't be spread so thin.
I would prefer there be fewer servers, but that at least some of those servers be actively managed by admin who can kick/ban as necessary. There are still cheaters sneaking stuff by, and even when the game is locked down tight, you could still get the occasional ass clown spamming chart and being obnoxious.
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The biggest issue with this idea is the lack of proper administration. Do you really want someone like Postal being in charge of all of your hard work on an "Official" server? Personally I would stop playing after the first offence.
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Private servers. What is the point? The point is you can play with your friends and not worry about people coming and destroying your base. That's about it. Why are official servers good? They are good because they are the way the devs wanted the game to be. If there was only official servers for each region, players would have to join these servers. Increasing the amount of players, the amount of fun, the amount of challenge. People could get together in big groups, make a village with walls and houses inside etc. Sadly right now there is only enough players per server to have literally some noobs with little shacks, and maybe 2 groups with op M4s and Kevlar.
If servers were bigger, it would balance the game. Meaning it wouldn't be noobs against a team. Rather lots of teams against each other and noobs could avoid conflict.
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What about keep private servers whilst adding moe official servers, and both categories will be sorted in the server browser. though I do hate private servers.
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I Personally feel the game hasn't experienced enough growth to make the servers logical, BUT if garry's right on point with his steam launch we might see a major increase in population, which realistically is what everybody is bitching about, i'd say give steam a month to generate stuff, also the streams and stuff will probably get back in action cause of the patch ( i know our group is coming back after patch) wipes actually seem like a smart / fresh start to get everybody new, old etc... into these servers ready to try a new experience.
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time will tell. if they keep private servers and the player-base continues to dwindle, then the answer reveals itself.
imo the game should function properly without human intervention, so no admins are needed to 'police' a server the way they see fit. aka banning people based off of false suspicion or doing things considered unfair by other players.
its still in alpha, so I support the devs testing the waters with private servers and acting accordingly based off of popular response. whether they decide to act upon the issues is completely up to them.
i feel like once the game is opened to steam, then we will see related changes because of the massive influx of players.
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Popular response on forums is pointless. The response they're likely looking at is what type of server people are joining. Gives you a better sample size.
"time will tell. if they keep private servers and the player-base continues to dwindle, then the answer reveals itself. "
And how much time before they decide to not keep hosting servers. You put all the servers in the hands of the people making the game, they lose interest in the game completely, and close all the servers. Effectively killing the game.
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