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Post #1Is it possible for people to locally host a rust server instead of buying it from somewhere like Playrust.eu?
I know many people would host 5 minute, laggy servers or whine about port forwarding, but i imagine it could open up some possibilities.
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They should seriously add this in.. It's stupid that a hosting company controls everything...
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No.
It's actually not stupid, its a controlled environment. And pretty smart when you think about it for a game in alpha.
You generally want to have a controlled environment when a game is in development stages to limit the amount of external or third party problems that can arise when you let anyone host their own server wherever they like on whatever hardware they can.
The hosting company should allow you to edit basic settings for pvp/sleeper/admin pass as well as restart the server if you need. This is everything you need. If you are wanting to mess around with server files and other stuff you might want to contact the dev team or wait until release.
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Perhaps it could be the fact he could be someone like myself who already has a few VPS's laying around for various reasons including "game servers" and would just like to be able to host their own server and not have to have the extra bill, I'd like to be able to setup one for a group of friends that plan on purchasing the game this week and whilst playing with said friends would prefer to be able to give the boot to griefers and hackers, but it seems I'm going to be pressured into the corner to pay a company to host the server that I could do myself a better job then they can.
Yes while acceptable this game being in its earliest stage there being un-stability and other things going on with server software and whatnot; however I have to say that you are ignorant to agree that forcing people to pay certain said companies for extra hosting they don't need when in a position like mine (or even the OP's position) is a good idea. Especially considering the fact none of my group has any intentions in reverse engineering the server software or causing any mayhem, merely trying to avoid it by as I said hosting our own that's not necessarily every persons intentions on the internet.
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And by allowing this, they are also allowing the server list to be floooded with backyard servers that would clutter and a lot of extra noise and strain to the bug tracking and server list. Do you not see this?
I'm sorry you can't create a server for your friends to play on, as I said before wait until release if you feel that pressured and wont play if you cant kick/ban people.
Ignorant? You seem to be confused about my reason for agreeing.
I've had a vps for a few years now, and I was looking to setup my own the same as you. The reason I agreed was based on many many years of alpha/beta testing games and the majority of source mods that I was a part of showed how servers can change the entire game from resources, to tweaks/mods. This in turn floods the bug report board with useless reports, and then in turn wastes resources.
It really seems like a bad idea. I guess from your 'I want to run a server and i want to use my own hardware' view it seems like a bad idea too.
The fact your group wont reverse engineer does nothing to stop the people who will reverse engineer when/if these files are made public.
The easiest way to prevent this that I can see, is the current way it is setup.
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Such sarcasm, and you act like you're the only one who has thrown those "Wait for a release." comments into peoples faces on here, I get it to the fullest that this is alpha like I said before but you know that's not really a plausible excuse not to give the public the server software for a game like this even during the earliest stages of games like minecraft do you think they forced people to buy a server slot from preferred set of companies? No way...
And I never said that I wouldn't play if I personally cannot kick/ban people, I just said I would prefer our group have some control in that area and that's why I'm going to just get a server for us through one of these and I say this lightly "professional" hosting companies because I've personally been watching the streams of people playing this on Twitch and I have to say it seems like that there are a lot of hackers/griefers that just go unnoticed for quite some time and it causes quite a bit of an non-enjoyable gaming experience and I'd rather we be able to exterminate them rather then rely on the other inactive admins on these already active servers.
This is something that's inevitable anyway, even if Garry doesn't allow a public release of the software it will get leaked anyway and this process will happen no matter what so essentially he's just being stubborn. I don't see your logic in how running the server using my own hardware is a bad idea... I've seen not only on this forms but other friends that have purchased it already complaining about ping issues on a lot of these so called "professional" hosted servers and it would only seem intelligent to agree that using my own VPS which has some pretty good specs and bandwidth would be a good idea.
Look man, when it comes down to it, simply it's just a tiny little exe file and it's not really going to harm the game to let people like me have their own server, and honestly no matter how much you try to pester me on here or fight with it the decision isn't yours to be made anyway so stop acting like it is, and nothing you say will change how I feel and dozens if not hundreds of other people playing this game more then likely share my opinions on this matter....And the point to even saying this is, as far as I'm concerned the players basically support this video game in its expansion by purchasing it and we should have the respect gained enough from that to be trusted with being able to host our own servers I'm willing to sign away any support with crashing or anything I really don't care how buggy it is or anything this whole thing is just silly...
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This games an alpha, releasing something THIS early is only going to cause flooding in the forums due to every man and his dog wanting to test it and then putting bug reports in for their own servers (rather than the official files)
Also, there is the POSSIBILITY of someone then reverse engineering the the files.
And thirdly, someone could come along, and start trying to modify/alter the game files and make a 3rd party version of Rust, that would severely undermine Garrys work and change the face of the game in a bad way.
Wait till the game is fully release before asking for files, It is an Alpha for a reason.
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Uh okay? Just make another thread for specifically or support or add a user-agreement type deal stating that it's in alpha and you are not entitled to support at all or limited support, I would totally agree to it just to have this luxury of hosting my own.
Also, eventually as anything on the internet this will be leaked like I said in my previous post someone will do it at some point so trying to avoid it is silly and it's not always necessarily a bad thing.
"Thirdly", again inevitable that happens to just about any and if not every game, someone will start a project to building a custom coded server eventually if the server software isn't leaked... so really REALLY inevitable in all directions you look at that from.
Your argument is not really budging my opinion, it being alpha really again like I've said before doesn't really excuse this lack of availability, it would be different if the server software itself were very unstable to the point releasing it was redundant but as I've not seen any real issues with servers crashing or anything of that nature it only seems appropriate for this to be available.
Edit: I'm just going to move on from this thread (this is my last post) it's leading to a supreme flame war by kids, oh why am I not suprised -__- *facepalm*
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Its hardly coming to a flame war(but you can take your closed mind elsewhere if you'd like. :3).. And as for the quote I snipped from your post, just because it may or may not happen doesnt mean you need to go and get it out of the way. That sounds awfully like "we're all going to die someday so why dont we just go on a killing spree." Really.. When it all comes down to it at the end of the day, its Garry's game. He's making it. Not you. Not me. We're here to test what he, and the other devs, give to us. If they want to toss out files for you, or anyone else, to host servers with.. He'll do it!
Buck up and enjoy what we have right now. Test what we have right now.
As for the OP: It would be nice, but, personally, I dont see it happening in the near future.
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Just to clarify if you do return moondeath, I'm not making any decisions about the release of server files, nor do I wish to.
I'm simply stating my opinion on why I feel the current implementation is a good idea, just like you're listed reasons why you think you should get the exe file.
And regarding your 'This is something that's inevitable anyway' yeah, it sure is, once it hits retail. My point was that you don't really want this kind of crap getting in the way when a game is still in development/alpha stages, I understand how you can't see this being a problem but I can, and this seems to be where we don't meet.
To me, it just seems you're thinking more about what you want/need rather than what rust needs. But that's my opinion, just like everything I have posted in this thread.
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