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So the term "admin abuse" if floating around growing like wild fire here on the forums, and is being used in most part in it's wrong raw definition due to ignorance and jealously of the given powers to admins. So I would like to clarify and get all your feedback on the issue.
As of right now people are crying admin abuse over admins standing around in god mode and the spawning of items. Since these commands are only a day old, not only I but all admins of all the new servers are testing out these admin tools. Now if an admin was to go out of his way teleport to you inside your base and destroy everything inside, kill you while in godmode, then this is an example of admin abuse.
Admins testing any and all commands is in no way admin abuse. If an admin does use these commands in game to physically take away from your personal game experience like killing you, destroying your base or items, teleporting you against your will, then this is the actual true definition of admin abuse.
To base the term of admin abuse out of your own personal ignorance/jealously over the smallest of things, makes you in the wrong. So let's all get this sorted out.
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When you purchase a server on "playrust" you are predominantly given two servers (you can use one test server and one permanent gaming server.) There is no need for admin abuse whatsoever on your "main" server.
It is up to the guy who purchased the server to make sure that there are no shitty admins on the main server that can shit on the regular rust players- which according to the forums is happening on your server.
This is simple
Admin abuse= mass exodus of rust players from your server
Good Admins= Populated, healthy server
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saying that- I dont know if you have purchased a server from playrust
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Sounds to me like you're letting your admins spawn things in on the excuse of "testing", even though I'm not sure what you'd need to test. If you really wanted to test items and report any bugs with them, you'd spawn them in on a private testing server where no pubbies would be joining.
Obviously what you do on your own server that you payed for is your own business, but I would not play on a server with admins that are spawning items, for any reason.
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Okay you obviously didn't read the topic of this post, I asked for a positive response to the term admin abuse so everyone would get a clearer purpose of its definition.
Also to bring up old news which has already been proven to be a bunch of trolls trying to attack my servers reputation has no validity to this topic.
I do agree with your Good Admin / Bad Admin example, which is for one reason I started the tread to better educate on the term admin abuse.
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I am not defending Slyder at all... I ran into the guy on one of garry's server and sorry Slyder you rubbed me the wrong way.... I just dont really like you.. sorry man
But like me he probably only bought 1 server the one that is 44.08 USD doesnt come with 2 servers so you can test stuff on.. Just saying.. maybe buying the 1 server before buying the double pack to see how well the server would do...
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Good that's your own personal opinion, but to call it admin abuse?
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Sorry for the bad rub maybe I killed you ? RUST it's hell of a game. But yes we only have the one server.
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BTW I should state no admins on my server have spawned anything for personal gain or the personal gain of others.
Can we get back on topic tough, I would like to see examples of what you call admin abuse.
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Abuse = Running around in godmode killing anyone that cross's your path
Abuse = Spawning items for you and friends that you build this massive building that would like 50++ c4
abuse = spawning 100 explosives and splitting them into 1 and running around dropping them..(this one kills the purpose of the game and fighting over airdrops)
Abuse = being a complete dick in chat to your players.. and bragging that your an admin and they should stfu before you ban them?
Abuse = Kicking players for no reason or annoying you or camping your friend
Abuse = Banning them after kicking didnt work..
All I can think of atm
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Admin aaboose - People hate the server - People stop playing on the server - Server looses players - Repeat - No more players on server except for staff - They waste their money on a empty server - they close the server.
Why the fuck is this such a problem? You hate the server? Don't! Play on it! You think they are going to get punished for acting as they want on their server?
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Yes the term is floating around but around you and I just like after your server thread got dumped with it you make this.
Feel good thread.
Edit:
http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1323145
http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1322866
So yea don't start a new clean thread to look good and carry this nonsense on.
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So this is how you deal with all the admin abuse threads about YOUR server? Anyone who reads the forums already knows to stay away from your server. This is a pathetic attempt to turn your image around.
The only commands admins need is the ban feature.
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OH! Would you look at that. Slyder is trying to clear his communities name. But rates everyone with boxes without a valid argument!
I think you should go back to Minecraft Slyder ;)
There is a more appropriate age group for you :)
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Hah, I love coming to the forums every night to a new Slyder forum post about how amazing he and his admins are and how everyone else in the rust world is just wrong.
Admin abuse is using rcon for anything OTHER THAN KICK/BAN. PERIOD. END OF STORY
If you want to run a normal server as if Gary himself was running it, why would your admins ever need to use any other command other than those two? If that really isn't the point of having your admins, then stop claiming that your server is so, so the rest of us don't waste our time joining in on a shit fest.
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Using Admin powers for anything other than administering your server is abuse.
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Come join me !! best server so far no flying admins !!
http://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1323341
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Stopped from reading after this part... funny as hell
MrPancake and Scipio +1 as usual =))
Also, Quack Quack *proud of new avatar* LOL
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Their server their rules. i think its easy to understand if you have bigger brain than a wasp.
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it's not working OP
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I think people understand this. The problem is, they're doing it but pretending they're not or that it doesn't effect anyone else on the server when it gives them an unfair advantage.
At least they are admitting to cheating now though.
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"Admin Abuse" is something that has been floating around since the dawn of time. Any game that has player run servers will have "admin abuse" pasted all over the community forums. Rust is no different.
That being said, if you run a server that doesn't spawn things, why would you even need to test the commands? If you someday choose to spawn items for some function for your server style, then you can figure it out then. But if you advertise yourself as a server that sticks true to the game, why even test it?
I think it'd be hilarious if spawning things automatically posted in the chat "Admin has spawned XXX." Keep it public, keep people informed.
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That's why I made this.
But for some reason, Slyder rated it with dumb. So I guess he is saying that admins abuse on his server and that he is afraid that people will leave ;D
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Well, that's how we caught them because one of their moron admins typed the spawn command into all-chat instead of rcon... big mistake on his part
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So would a example of Admiin Abuse be if the admin wants to kick you for a haveing a extreamly hard base to raid?
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Yeah. So long as by extremely hard to raid you don't mean glitched into a rock.
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On one server I played in, an admin was teleporting himself to players' bases, then directing his friends to those bases for raids. In addition, they were mass-spawning metal building pieces and building around resource nodes. Players should have a recourse for this kind of behavior besides leaving the server.
BTW, my server is "Multiplay :: Fresh Server, survivalist, friendly admins, Town Community, griefers suck".
Anyone who isn't a dick is invited!
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Yeah I went through a faze for the first 4 days or so on my server where I was testing things out, seeing what I could do, not bothering anyone. Players would join, a lot of players, 20-35 that first week, than accuse me of admin abusing, well yeah I did make a base, I'm new to rust, I was not attacking people or raiding. When I was done learning I wiped, and don't spawn anything in what so ever. It is a faze really, for every new server owner. And with the GSP system that is going on right now "cough fuck GSPs" it is impossible for most people to have a special server to test things on. All you could really do is name your server "admins screwing around" than hope people don't whine if they come in. Now that I know what the admin tools do I have no trust in joining anyone elses server. Because I feel that any to all admins will be spawning themselves in stuff. I think the spawn item command needs to be removed. Atleast with Rust++ you can limit the tools, but the two people I gave limited tools to the first week, were abusing teleport in raids. So I feel it is better to not have any admins to ensure the game is fair. I never play with rcon on, I pretty much just teleport to people who misplaced a pillar and remove it for them once in a while than go back to my base and continue playing.
I didn't get into rust until 2 days before cheat punch, I never saw the huge hacker problem so of course I do not understand the need for admins.
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If you wanna play a game that relies on admins, check out our warband server running the Persistent World mod. Managing a rust server is a piece of cake compared to that. We have an average f 100 - 150 player peaks a day, with about a 30 man admin team. I'm used to games with admin powers which is why my small group of dedicated players keep returning. They have been on the server since it opened 2 - 3 weeks ago. http://avalon-gaming.com if anyone cares. Yes, useless annoying advertising.
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I teach my Persistent world admins that it is better to not make a decision, than to make the wrong one.
It is better to have no admins, than to have bad admins.
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Don't like how an admin runs his own server or administrates a server?
Want to know a way on how to stop it entirely?
CHANGE SERVER
Everyone has different rules, different ways of administrating, different humours, different personalities etc.
Your never going to find a perfect server with perfect admins and perfect players.
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Being that there isn't a charter or set of rules on how admins should run their servers, the idea of admin abuse is hard to apply to private servers. It simply boils down to whether you like how they run the server or not. If you don't, switching servers is easy.
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who cares iv got my own server and walk round with godmode and spawn stuff in i dont care what anyone say i payed for the server why shudnt i abuse it ? lol
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What is your server name? Did you really pay for it? Hmmm.
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I consider admin spawning things abuse... Even if it's innocuous... It's too easy to fall into temptation.
My group found this server that seems free from abuse and hackers. Join us. We need some more peeps!
net.connect 23.82.61.122:28055
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What server commands are only a day old?
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Why bump this thread that's been dead for almost 3 months? -_-
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aww hell, I didn't even realize that....and the reason he bumped it....shamless plug, for which reason I'll never visit that server
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Personally in cases like these I just remind myself that this is the Internet, and the people on the net are lying scumbags. So in the case of the OP, lier. And in the case of everyone else, lier.
Never trust anything that ANYONE on a forum or any other site tells you.
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Theres no such thing as admin abuse. Admins own the server and can do WHATEVER they want with it, regardless if they destroy your house or not. Their server, their rules. You cant tell them how to control THEIR server.
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If the higher authority (aka owner) allows one admin to do something like enabling god mode and then going on a rampage, doesn't mean that it's admin abuse. But if the higher authority doesn't allow the admin to do this, it is. It's as simple as that. So technically as some have stated, "Their server, their rules". Whether people like it or not, that's just how it is.
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Techincal application doesn't mean a thing.
In practise if someone uses their power to gain an advantage over players who do not have that same power (admin power) it is considered admin abuse.
In any case, if you see an admin base that was clearly spawned in it is most likely build horribly so the best thing you can do is grief their base by placing ceilings where their stairs were.
Destroy everything you own before you depart on this quest and only take with you what you need to get it done because there is a 99% chance you will get banned.
And before you leave/get banned make sure that you spam chat about the abuse.
Best way to deal with it and you can still have a lot of fun trolling the admins that abuse their powers.
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I rented a server where I spawn tons of building material, just to try out different building strategies, see what would work and what wouldn't. I always built in the middle of nowhere though.
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All I see when I read this is "I think someone must be taking advantage because this base is large, I might as well take advantage of other mechanics to ruin everything for this person that may or may not have done something wrong."
People are too quick to assume admins are taking advantage, I've never seen it so bad in any other game... it's a little disheartening, in my experience most admins are decent folks just trying to run a server.
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