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There need's to be some sort of public log file. If an admin spawns his friends a few stacks of 250 planks just to give them a boost and you join 3 days later, who's to say that they didn't get that legitimately ? It doesn't even have to be that big of an advantage, they could just keep spawning in some leather/pistols for his friends when they die. Another alternative to a public log is just an icon by the server saying that item's have been spawned by an admin; maybe even give a list of items as a tooltip.
It's a lot harder to tell if someone's been spawning items to make the game 'easier' for his friends and himself, and therefore a lot harder than joining, seeing if they're cheating and then switching servers.
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If it doesn't affect you, then does it matter?
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What? Can you clarify what you're talking about? Any items that give a player an advantage that he/she didn't have to work for affects you, because that person will try to use those item's to play the game normally, don't you think?
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If a player's getting an unfair advantage, either you A.) notice, and leave the server, or B.) don't notice, so as far as you're concerned the player might as well have gotten it through legitimate means.
I can see why you might argue for wanting to know, but personally if I don't notice that a player is getting an advantage, then it won't affect my overall experience (just in terms of having fun).
I am likely to be frustrated, however, by roving bands of admin-powered bandits. THAT will cause me to notice, and then the simple solution is to leave the server ;)
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That's a fair point, basically if you don't notice it then it's not big enough to be annoying, right? Although, how can you tell the difference between someone that's been playing 8 hours for the past few days and someone that just had the admin spawn it in for them? I guess you could see that the guy has been playing a lot, but still, he/she could have been farming before you even started playing; so it would be really hard to tell the difference.
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I like the idea of an icon showing which servers have used the give , teleport and godmode commands.
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So here is the deal. Admins need these commands, end of story. We need to be able to set up arenas, repair hacker damage and things of that nature. In any game, there are people who abuse their abilities. It is not fair to take these things from server admins trying to benefit servers.
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I can pretty much certainly tell you that not only will we not remove admin commands but we will make them more robust and give them more capabilities to customize their server how they would like. That's what I'd like to see anyway.
If you have some childish admins who are rocking you with c4 constantly and lolling you, take comfort in the fact that not many people will play on their server for very long. Find a good community on a good server and stick with that one!
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Please add mob spawning so we can do zombie horde events. :)
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A lot of people are disagreeing with you on this one, but I actually agree. I find it kind of...stupid? to have a /give command - to me it removes that trust in admins - I can understand admins wanting to do whatever they want with the servers they rented with their own good money but; I just feel as though it cheapens the hardcoreness of the game in a way? I'll stick with that word.I think everyone of you knows that server admins are abusing the server commands.
Just an example a naked admin with like 20 c4 named taresh who cheated 3 airplanes in a row(on Eu-Central), tried to get into a metalbase.And killed one of my friends with Console!
It is kinda ridicolous to advertise rust servers with a sentence like this "With rCon you can give items (to you/other players/all players), enable god-mode, teleport to players and much more." I mean are you f****** serious.
the advantages of admins
thank to teddysmith
I hope someone or maybe everyone who is not cheating agree me.
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An easy way to fix this so people know if an admin is a douche is when an admin executes a console command make it echo in chat for example
Console: "Scumbag admin gives "user" 20 Explosive charges"
That will allow the people playing on the server the ability to gauge weither or not they wish to play on that server. Anyone that disagrees about this is probably the type who abuse the admin and don't want people to know.
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Who cares, frankly? An Admin is "God" "Dungeon Master" or whatever other title. He is master of the domain.
Shuffle up and Deal with it.
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Admin's Pay for the Server, people not forget that? they pay a monthly fee so that THAT server can be running in the first place.
Sure some abuse it, but what you going to do, Admins are just suppose to pay a monthly fee with no benefits? Every game has admins, who have right's to certain commands, Technically it is their server so they can do what they want.
Some use it do make a disadvantage for others. But really the best you can do is just move server, Not like there isn't enough others to try.
You can't take away admins console privileges, then it isn't worth paying for.
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This is the best post I have ever seen on these forums, thanks for the clarification Helk <3
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We have a gaming community of 10-12 players 3 of us are admins and we do not abuse so if you would like to play a fresh server please come and play with us. net.connect 208.117.11.140:28045
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I'm half and half on this. I have a PvP Arena on my server and like to do events from time to time with prizes. That is when item spawning would become acceptable in my opinion. When someone complains about another player hacking or griefing, the admin would need access to the teleport command to go observe what is going on, along with invisibility to spectate the user in question.
I am in full agreement that server commands are used for personal gain and it is very annoying and frustrating. This is why I made my own server so that I have full control over everything and can sleep at night knowing that the server isn't being nuked by the admin's spawned C4s. However, I am also beginning to dislike being the admin. My crew thinks they can keep begging me to spawn them things or give them certain privileges regardless of how many times I tell them no and that does get old after awhile. They then go on accusing me and saying "thats why you probably spawn things for yourself" and that is also quite upsetting to the point that I'd really just rather have the admin commands completely gone. Then there can be no accusations or begging.
Maybe we can implement some type of public announcement in the chat when an admin spawns something or uses an admin command. This could put to rest bs accusations while also showing the players if an admin is indeed using those privileges for personal gain.
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No and No.....I pay for this server....I will use it how I please. Also I never use the give commands cause I do not want this to be creative mode minecraft typeish....however I pay for the service so I get to use it as I please.
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I think this mod is fine. Sure, there are admins who abuse it. So don't go on their servers. There are also admins who use it to make the game better. I lost a weeks work and my characters' life to a hacker and I was able to at least get enough to get going again. I don't really see a problem with it. If they're abusing it then don't use their server.
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That's What I did! Listen to her. She has good advice!
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I own my own server and posting a link with Rcon commands isn't gonna make a difference. Don't you think those commands are there for a reason? And I'm pretty sure every server owner out there knows of these commands. How would you say we as server owners should battle people hacking on our server? Also, implying that every single server admin is abusing these powers is ludacris. To be quite fair that's an insult to me as well. Even though you don't know me, nor do you know any of the hundreds of other server owners out there that don't cheat.
And someone posted earlier there is however an easy solution. Either keep looking for a server with friendly and active admins, or buy a server of your own.
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I liked when dayz mod servers would ban admins and blacklist a server that abuses power wrongly. Blah blah you paid for it, doesn't mean you have to be a dick. If you've played enough, you know almost most servers you come across will have admin abuse so I really dont know why people say play on a different server as if it's gonna make much difference in how much ball licking you gotta do to these 13-18 year old kids that run servers just so they can walk in your building and make you do shit that you don't want and clown you...I hated leveling with these retards and play along just so they don't come to your house with invis gears and kill you ,or kick you, or ban you from a server you spent days to build&scavenge. Long story short, if there's no check and balance system for admins, we are always going to be at the mercy of admins.
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Now I play on official servers where a single stone node may or may not appear every two or three game day cycle. It's real fun
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The game is in alpha, with the intention that its tried and tested. Its important that these commands are available for people who want to try stuff out and experiment, outside of normal game play.
These commands will not be available in the finished game.
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joking right? pretty sure they said they will stay. get over it. i will ban any player on my server i feel free to if he abuses the rules. such as hacking. exploiting. or not following rules such as raiding houses.
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Don't join a server that is ran by a 12 year old that spawns items for himself and runs around thinking he is good. Join a community server that is actually a community = like bmrf.me
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I love it how everyone bashes on Server Admins. You guys who think all of us server owners are "retarded" - let me tell you some things that nearly every admin has to deal with on a daily basis:
- unjustified complaints - "My super secured 1 wooden door base got raided ADMIN HELP PLZ"
- unjustified accusations - "That guy mustve killed me from 2km with aimbot"
- asking admin for abusive help - "Zombie killed me plz give back the 200 low quality metals I had on me"
- complaining about admin playing "unfair" when he goes invisible for 10 minutes since he has to make a call in real life
- insulting admins - "I got raided by the admin crew theyre all bandits and cheaters"
- general trolling and wasting time of admins - too many examples
- impolite and immature people, cheaters and exploiters - we have to deal with them in according ways.
Now if YOU think that YOU are capable to manage all this b.ullshit without getting annoyed at some point then PLEASE proof that you are so much better than your "retarded" server admin.
Just pay the 40 bucks per month and invest roughly 50% of your playing time into help/support/management tasks. I'm pretty sure 99% of those who complain about "ADMIN ABOOOOSE" have never ever been in admin position and don't know shit about it.
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Wow, Leon if admins are abusing on your server then just find another. Admins cannot kill you using the console or fly so you know.
I admin for a server that is almost always full, I like to think it is that way because of decent admins. We all have god mode on and are invisible nearly 100% of the time. But, we do not participate in playing the game. If we do then we log out of admin.
You say an admin ported to your base and blew up walls to raid you? He/She could just port inside your base so you know using the port to location command. Also, they could spawn any item you have anyway so why they would want to raid you is beyond me.
I use all the tools available to me for catching hackers/glitchers. I ban around 10 people/day from my server. It is a great tool to be able to port to them invisible and watch what they are doing. It is also useful to be able to 1hit someone with the uber hatchet if they have just looted someones chest and are about to speed hack away from the scene.
It is also fun to spawn a couple of airdrops if there are a high number of people on the server. Spawning airdrops then porting to them to collect is stupid as the admin could get the items without doing this.
Basically, admin power are there for a number of reasons. Stop crying and find yourself another server where the admins do not abuse their powers, there are literally hundreds out there. Or even better, pay some money and host your own.
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EVERYTHING YOU SAID AFTER "blah blah you paid for it" is worthless. You have chosen to play on a COMMUNITY server son.
Deal with it. Do not join a community or otherwise referred to as a "private" server if you want some kinda of streamlined everyone is treated the same environment. Private servers are run by private citizens of the mighty Internet.....take your communist attitude where everyone is the same and go for a hike.
Do not come into a community like Rust where the game evolves based on the people in it not the other way around and expect us to take your crappy opinions with a smile. You want COD or ARMA 3 or BF4 symmetry where almost all the servers have the same feel...then go play them.
The dev's have self described this game as emergent gameplay.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emergent_gameplay
The game is suppose to give us the tools and mechanics and we mold the environment we want....not some linear sandbox world your describing.
-Dan
edit: Now that I have been mean and ruthless I will put a happy twist on it. Come play on my server =)...I am 26 and most everyone I play with is 20s or 30's and believe in completely natural interaction....you want to raid me or you want to kill everyone you meet. ENJOY! I do not give items to me and my friends and I do not act any different cause I am admin.....my philosophy.... I am only an Admin when someone is using way to many f bombs in chat or cheating....other then that I am just "Friendly Time Dan"!
I hope posting my info is alright as its post specific and not a annoying post dedicated to advertisement. 173.208.123.42:28115 or search us at: --- US Central - Fresh Server - Active Admins - PVP/SLP ---
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Spent most of my Sunday afternoon dealing with speed hacks,no-clippers, and doing damage limitation with the community.
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Well I do not own a server, but have been appointed admin of a server by the server admins.
I do not use the powers to attack players but instead like today have spent
many hour, over 6 in fact repairing there bases following a hacker damaging the bases
this morning, and the players could only thank me for the help that I provide.
If admins didn't have these commands, I would of said most would of given up playing,
as some did. It all depends on what server you join and what the admins are like on
the server.
But plz don't tarnish us admins that help with the same brush as those admin that abuse.
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Important update: PROVEN fix for abusive admins:
(find another server)
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These commands exist for helping purposes. An administrator should not be an administrator if he abuses these commands. It is outrageous that you think removing these commands is a good idea. I myself am an admin and I use commands frequently. I help everyone on the server out. I haven't spawned any items for them yet except for explosive charges, which I use myself to blow up things they misplaced.
They tell me what needs to be removed and I remove it with explosive charges until they update Rust for this.
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I have never spawned anything in while my time as a server owner but im sick of people saying stuff i have never done ruins the game and its all my and other honest server owners faults.
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Problem is either you play with abusive admins or you play on a server filled with hackers. They need to have something else besides VAC banning people every 3 months... Something that would take care of them within a day. The point of banning the hackers is so that they don't ruin the game, but if it takes three months what can you do quit till then? Also there should be more official servers than there are now for the people who hate private servers.
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Can't imagine how you're going to get them to pull the admin stuff, even give items (I know admins that for example don't play but walk around with kevlar and weaps for fairly obvious reasons).
If you're in a server where there is an issue with admins unfairly unbalancing gameplay with admin commands (I don't mean just building stuff but effectively griefing their own server) and you don't like it, then just leave - there are plenty that don't.
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You just can't join a private server and trust the admin. Every server I have joined people get banned for "aim botting" but I mean its not like they have proof that that is what is happening. To be honest I feel as if private servers ruined this game. When people say private servers saved this game because of hackers all i say is bull shit because all it does is make the devs slow down on getting hackers. If there was only Official servers then they would focus on hackers more than they would now with 2000 servers.
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yeah not like they are paying $30 and not able to password protect them....I think everyone of you knows that server admins are abusing the server commands.
Just an example a naked admin with like 20 c4 named taresh who cheated 3 airplanes in a row(on Eu-Central), tried to get into a metalbase.And killed one of my friends with Console!
It is kinda ridicolous to advertise rust servers with a sentence like this "With rCon you can give items (to you/other players/all players), enable god-mode, teleport to players and much more." I mean are you f****** serious.
the advantages of admins
thank to teddysmith
I hope someone or maybe everyone who is not cheating agree me.
hes an admin, do you not have a clue what that means? he/she is fucking god on that server, you dont like it dont play there ffs.
so many fucking noobs bitch about admin commands
stfu and rent your own server if you want to play god, and stop trying to dictate how some one else who is paying to host for you is supposed to admin their server
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Not all private servers have admins that abuse.. but there are some.
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Honestly after having played on over 30 custom servers, its an absolute gamble. It wouldn't be such a problem in most games, but its quite frustrating to invest time into getting a basic setup on a server, just to find out that the admins basically ensure that no one can ever beat them, or compete with them. I understand that the commands are needed, and clearly it's their servers so they can do what they please, but there should be some way to have at least some idea of what the admins are doing on a server as a client.. like having notifications in the console if an admin uses certain commands (god mode, spawning items, etc). Doesnt need to have all the details, but simple messages can and will go a long way to encouraging admins to be respectful with their powers, and making sure players are somewhat aware if the admin is spawning in stuff, teleporting around or using godmode.
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If the admins don't abuse then there is half crafting time or more air drops something retarded like that.
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