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Post #1most people turn their gamma up in the night.. i find this cheating because its not part of the options or something.
opinions?
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Everybody can turn on their gamma
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Not a hack. You are taking it too seriously. It's easy to "counter" , just turn your gamma up too. As far as the visibility goes... It's not that much better. You just see more at night.
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Even with gamma, there's still periods of night where it's somewhat difficult to see, because it gets so dark that the color is simply not precise enough (with your average 24 bit backbuffer, there are 8 bits per RGB, which means approximately 255 possible brightness values. if it gets too dark, only a very small subset of these are used, so when you crank up the brightness it just looks washed out)
Anyway, no it's not cheating.
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i still find it cheating towards other players who play the game as what it is.
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Don't complain about other people just because you refuse to turn up the brightness on your monitor.
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HR Clan crying their eyes out hilarious!
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No way.
If someone has better hardware and a great internet connect resulting in smoother play... are you saying they they're cheating then? Not that it does much in this game but people lower detail settings to see more and that still isn't cheating.
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Good point. If I have a campfire on the first floor of my house, someone on high detail may not immediately see the fire because the walls of my house cast a shadow, hiding the light. However, someone on a very low detail setting would immediately see the light of the fire, because shadows are turned off so light "goes through" the walls of the building and lights up the surrounding terrain.
But nobody considers it cheating to turn down your graphics settings. So why would turning up brightness be considered cheating?
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This goes in the same category as cranking down the awesome level so shadows don't obscure things. Also, are those of us running the game at 1920x1080 cheating those who's native resolution is smaller?
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People who can play while dimming the lights in their room are hacking too!
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easy fix, just make the whole night like the 1 minute Night that even gamma dont lighten up
I really dont get you guys , you complain about hacks,cheats to everyone that kills u I think you need to check the internet what hacks, cheats really is man.
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I got owned by some guys because I didn't know about the gamma but now i do so problem solved. It's unfair to people who might not know it in the beginning but I guess you just have to man up.
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ruins the game for me so i won't do it, but others will.
I assume most players don't though, and those that do are just crap at doing things the regular way and the way the game is actually meant to be played.
Some people will do anything for an advantage; personally, i don't need one.
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I dont think this is cheating but i hate this argument that you can do it too so its no cheating.
I mean as far as i know everybody can use things like aimbots so using aimbots and other stuff isnt cheating?
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changing your gamma and turning off grass IS a form of cheating, it's just not hacking.
Giving yourself a competitive edge over other people who are playing the game as intended -- is by definition a cheat.
cheating and hacking are not the same thing, please understand the difference before you tell me "you can do it too" -- i know i can, i can install an aimbot too, but I don't.
Playing games as they are intended is a lot more fun for me, I do not require an advantage over you to send some lead your way.
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What if someone has high gamma when using computer in general. Are they cheaters too?
What if i raise my sound volume that i could hear better, em i cheating?
What if i play this game with 3 monitors or have a single big monitor, em i cheating?
Those things i have mentioned are by any means allowed to do. Anything you can do with game settings and displays settings is allowed. Can't say its cheating, more like smart use of displays options.
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so if your screen looks like a washed-out mess and the grass is disabled, you think that's playing the game as intended?
You can justify your cheating any way you like, but other people are leaving the gamma at a setting that looks good, night looks like night, and if you're changing your options to see better than the other guy -- you're a cheater in my books.
That said, nothing is going to stop people from doing it, and that's fine... you can justify it to yourself however you like but it's not the game I wish to play, and I would consider it cheating.
Do none of you have your own values and code? Do ethics mean anything to you? Oh right, this is a KOS community... nevermind.
No, they didn't tweak the setting to see better than me. It is what it is.
No, this is an intended feature of the game. You should be able to hear the sound.
I dont really know what kind of advantage this would bring, but no; this would be as intended.
Lets say you found a way to hear footsteps in directions further than intended, or they were very hard to hear normally and you managed to normalise the audio so all footsteps are the same level, this would be cheating.
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Calling people cheaters or hackers just because they have different game/display settings than yours is plain dull, because this is only a game. IMO.
In the end, increasing display gamma helps only little, there is a point in-game where it goes pitch black regardless how high your gamma is.
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To cheat is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage (Thanks Google). While this may give them an advantage, this is in no way dishonest nor unfair. You can turn up your gamma too, so technically the rest of us can say that you're putting yourself at a disadvantage by not doing so. There is no rule against it.
With that being said, I don't turn up my gamma to see better at night. When night falls, I put all my stuff in my inventory and log out for a while and go do other stuff while I wait for night to pass without losing calories. Or is that cheating too?
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I don't understand how you find this ambiguous. You're altering the state of the game to see better than the other guy, I define this as cheating as per your definition.
You and I both know that most people will not adjust their monitor gamma during a game session, only those who want the competitive edge will do so. There's no way to detect or stop this, but it's shady play -- a lot like people who put a sticker on the center crosshair part of their screen.
It's called cutting corners, being underhanded, using something that wasn't intended for the spirit of the game... night is supposed to be dark, you aren't supposed to change your gamma to compensate. The game does that for you already.
It's been a problem with any game with darkness, nothing new here... and people still defend it the same way, yet to me this is very cut and dry. It's cheating; not the kind of cheating that should or would get you banned, but it's certainly the kind of immoral cheap-tactic play I stay clear from.
To make this even more clear to you -- some people play games for the immersion aspect of enjoying the environment you're put into, other people see it as a way to be competitive and don't care at all if you're damaging the spirit of the games' intention, and care more about winning than having a good experience. Yeah I sound like "Johnny fairplay" but dammit, I am absolutely tired of the immoral attitude of the new generation of gamers coming in. Cheating is never okay, play the game as it's meant to be played and stop testing the rules/boundaries.
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The game is meant to be played as a survival game. If I log out so I'm not at a disadvantage at night and don't require any surviving, that's altering the way the game is supposed to be played. Putting crosshairs on your screen isn't cheating. It's being resourceful. It's like how the beavers figure out to stop water from flowing with a dam. The river is suppose to flow, but they altered the way it's supposed to be. It's not cheating.
Immoral is subjective. I like getting paid in cash under the table for part time jobs I work. This is technically cheating, yet I don't find it immoral.
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it is this attitude that will cause this games' demise. This is a heavy pvp game with very serious consequences for failure and loss.
By this same token, i should turn my graphics settings down and grass off, put a crosshair on my monitor and boost my gamma and adjust the contrast so i can see perfectly at night... then, i could normalise the audio so i can hear distant footsteps...
add to that the griefing a lot of players in rust are doing, and you've got yourself a real cesspool. Sadly I think I wasted my money.
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So if i turn up my monitor gamma i will be a cheater?
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If you turn your monitor gamma up to the point where the game looks washed out, then sunrise comes and you turn it back down? Absolutely.
As i said, not the kind of cheater that would be caught, or should be banned... just an immoral, cheater.
Similar to people who use autofire controllers in cod.
The nights are dark so you CAN'T see, keeping your monitor at a reasonable level (again, as INTENDED) is preferable. If you have to adjust your monitor so you can see at all? That's fine, and normal.. but i'm talking the extremes here.
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If you're willing to go that far to be able to compete with the small percentage of people that do it, knock yourself out. It's not against the rules, and you'll be way ahead of most of the people in this game.
If you don't want to die by the hand of another player... don't play PvP. There's a PvE server for a reason. Besides, there are always measures you can take to prevent griefing.
Apparently so.SpudrowSpedro posted:
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i've openly stated i dont think people who gamma adjust should be banned, I just think they're cheating the system. Happens in every game, I just don't like seeing people justifying it as something it isn't.. fair.
If I am forced to do this myself then I have to adjust my screen to stay competitive ... and that means I lose immersion, and interest due to these yokels who can't get an edge with regular tactics in-game.
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And I think you're just mad, bro. Like you said, it happens in every game, so why bother with trying to take it out on this game? Especially one that's in early alpha, with next to no balancing done to the gameplay?
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Well, a couple of reasons really. I am interested in Rust -- I really like this game and the direction it's intending to go. What I also see is the community going the way of DayZ and full of 14 year old kids, possibly even closer to the world of Garry's Mod.
I like gaming in a fair environment, where my tactics, player skill and cunning are what matter -- not the settings i've used or how low i've turned the graphics down so I can see people in the trees better. I'd rather play the game at maximum fidelity, and experience it proper.
I am only participating here because the OP brought it up, and I am interested in the game itself and would like to have a wider discussion about games and morality. I think the discussion has been worthwhile, and I see no harm in debate. Let's not take this to a forum-troll level, we obviously have differing opinions on what is immoral and moral in terms of gaming competitiveness.
I have been gaming for over 25 years (i'm an old fart, i suppose) and have formed these opinions long before Rust came along. I have my opinion on the matter and so do others; that's what the boards are for.
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im color-blind and need to adjust gama to compensate for shades in-game. That,s all.
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